Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Packers Talking Extension with Aaron Jones

[Treebeard]

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I was good with them retaining Pettine going into last season, but the inability to adapt to defending the run this year was a system problem. That, and they sometimes seemed to struggle with general in-game adaptations.

Did Pettine sell La Fluer, Gute, and Murphy on their struggles being largely personnel based?

[Ron Swanson]

Fine with retaining Pettine for the same reason I was fine retaining Capers after the 2009 season. It was an embarrassing performance against an opposing offense, but all in all, it was still just one game. The defense has made strides each of the last two years and you have to look at the whole picture. That being said, Pettine has zero excuses to not field a Top-10 or 15 unit next season. Plenty of high picks and big money free agent signings have been invested on that side of the ball. He's firmly on the hot seat otherwise.

[ibanezjp]

Fine with retaining Pettine for the same reason I was fine retaining Capers after the 2009 season. It was an embarrassing performance against an opposing offense, but all in all, it was still just one game. The defense has made strides each of the last two years and you have to look at the whole picture. That being said, Pettine has zero excuses to not field a Top-10 or 15 unit next season. Plenty of high picks and big money free agent signings have been invested on that side of the ball. He's firmly on the hot seat otherwise.

Yeah, safe move for locker room culture and continuity’s sake to keep him. I thought overall he did a really good job this year but man that 49ers game was a fireable offense in my opinion. I didn’t think capers had to go after 2009, that was just a really good performance by a HOF QB in Warner that day. 2012 against Kaep was when he should’ve gone as that game he got caught with his pants down. I would’ve taken a swing at someone else since we only have a short window with Rodgers anyway but it seems like no team besides the 49ers could’ve exposed us like that. Maybe Tennessee, but so many teams want to pass the ball and that was a strength of ours and Petine’s plan of limiting big plays and letting them move up and down the field slowly but not score got us to 13-3. I think Shanahan at least offensively is thinking on another level right now. Almost Belichick like in the advantage he gives his team.

[humanrefutation]

I would have fired Pettine. He made virtually no adjustments against the 49ers until the game was totally out of hand. Some of it invoked his lack of credible ILBs, some of it was on the players themselves. But dude was basically running out 1 DL looks against a defense that just ran down his throat in unprecedented fashion. Something like 150 yards were gained before contact. That's absurd. And that isn't something entirely new and unexpected, like when Kaep destroyed us on the read-option. It was just run the **** over - a flashback to the same issue that plagued our defense earlier in the year.

Coupled with the fact that MLF wasn't able to choose his own guy when he started here - something generally afforded to new head coaches - would have tipped me towards showing him the door.

[ibanezjp]

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This is really sad to watch how frustrated he sounds. I know it’s on him ultimately it that was the same feeling I had during the game. Concerning for the future if he can’t get his guys motivated on the door step of a super bowl. Like someone else said here, the further we get away from this the more this is becoming a huge missed opportunity. This is quickly ranking higher and higher on the list of NFCCG losses. My list is probably something like

2014 (obviously the worst)
2019
2007
1995
2016

The 2016 team just didn’t belong and I never feel bad about losing that game. 95 we could’ve beat the Steelers but we couldn’t get past cowboys for third straight year. Very infuriating but probably loses its sting since we won the next year. 2019 I think is now worse than 2007 for the fact that we’d have a much better shot at beating the chiefs than the 07 team had at beating the perfect Pats.

[Treebeard]

It wouldn't have broken my heart for Pettine to be dropped. Having said that, who would have been the most likely available candidates? That's a moot point now, of course.

[rilamann]

Gute losses some credibility as a GM for bringing Pettine back. Pettine is mediocre at best and after last Sunday, I don't see how you bring him back if you're serious about getting to a Super Bowl. Pettine is not championship level, and it's pretty obvious.

[crkone]

I would have fired Pettine. He made virtually no adjustments against the 49ers until the game was totally out of hand. Some of it invoked his lack of credible ILBs, some of it was on the players themselves. But dude was basically running out 1 DL looks against a defense that just ran down his throat in unprecedented fashion. Something like 150 yards were gained before contact. That's absurd. And that isn't something entirely new and unexpected, like when Kaep destroyed us on the read-option. It was just run the **** over - a flashback to the same issue that plagued our defense earlier in the year.

Coupled with the fact that MLF wasn't able to choose his own guy when he started here - something generally afforded to new head coaches - would have tipped me towards showing him the door.

Yeah I generally don't like to make rash decisions but I thought Pettine needed to go. His entire game plan and the non-intensity of the defense was unacceptable.

[MickeyDavis]

Gute losses some credibility as a GM for bringing Pettine back. Pettine is mediocre at best and after last Sunday, I don't see how you bring him back if you're serious about getting to a Super Bowl. Pettine is not championship level, and it's pretty obvious.

Gute doesn't decide on staff. Murphy does. Maybe Murphy gave MLF final authority on staff (I doubt it) but both MLF and Gute report directly to Murphy.

[ibanezjp]

Gute losses some credibility as a GM for bringing Pettine back. Pettine is mediocre at best and after last Sunday, I don't see how you bring him back if you're serious about getting to a Super Bowl. Pettine is not championship level, and it's pretty obvious.

I don’t know, PFF had us as the 8th best defense overall. If the offense is just a little better I think 8th is definitely good enough to win the owl. I’m just thinking more and more that SF is just a really horrible matchup for us. I mean we dominated seattle and they beat SF once and almost twice.

[BUCKnation]

I'm mostly fine with keeping pettine, but he got worked by Shanahan, who seems to know his stuff inside and out, which could pose problems if they remain a contender next year and that seems like a given.

[rilamann]

Gute losses some credibility as a GM for bringing Pettine back. Pettine is mediocre at best and after last Sunday, I don't see how you bring him back if you're serious about getting to a Super Bowl. Pettine is not championship level, and it's pretty obvious.

Gute doesn't decide on staff. Murphy does. Maybe Murphy gave MLF final authority on staff (I doubt it) but both MLF and Gute report directly to Murphy.

Yeah, you're right, I always forget about that. I make the mistake of assuming the GM actually gets to be the GM. Having followed the Bucks during the Herb Kohl years, I should know better than to always assume that..lol.

[rilamann]

Gute losses some credibility as a GM for bringing Pettine back. Pettine is mediocre at best and after last Sunday, I don't see how you bring him back if you're serious about getting to a Super Bowl. Pettine is not championship level, and it's pretty obvious.

I don’t know, PFF had us as the 8th best defense overall. If the offense is just a little better I think 8th is definitely good enough to win the owl. I’m just thinking more and more that SF is just a really horrible matchup for us. I mean we dominated seattle and they beat SF once and almost twice.

Pettine is mediocre, I think you could do worse than Pettiine at D coordinator. However I think if you want to win a Super Bowl you'll have to do better than Pettine.

[th87]

Looking forward to Shanahan running circles around Pettine for years to come.

[th87]

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This is really sad to watch how frustrated he sounds. I know it’s on him ultimately it that was the same feeling I had during the game. Concerning for the future if he can’t get his guys motivated on the door step of a super bowl. Like someone else said here, the further we get away from this the more this is becoming a huge missed opportunity. This is quickly ranking higher and higher on the list of NFCCG losses. My list is probably something like

2014 (obviously the worst)
2019
2007
1995
2016

The 2016 team just didn’t belong and I never feel bad about losing that game. 95 we could’ve beat the Steelers but we couldn’t get past cowboys for third straight year. Very infuriating but probably loses its sting since we won the next year. 2019 I think is now worse than 2007 for the fact that we’d have a much better shot at beating the chiefs than the 07 team had at beating the perfect Pats.

Exactly my sentiment. We didn't go down swinging.

We inexplicably stuck with a tactical error until it killed us, and the person in charge of it will remain. And it's not like we'll avoid SF in the future either; Shanahan will have plenty of opportunities to be one step ahead of us.

[Frank Nova]

Gute losses some credibility as a GM for bringing Pettine back. Pettine is mediocre at best and after last Sunday, I don't see how you bring him back if you're serious about getting to a Super Bowl. Pettine is not championship level, and it's pretty obvious.

Player effort was the scapegoat that saved Pettines job. When the impact players aren't making any impact its just all finger pointing and Pettine seems like the type of guy that could sell the idea that the players didnt execute moreso than the gameplan blew donkey dicks. Pettine couldve wouldve and shouldve been fired monday morning, its really a **** joke he wasn't. And he's back for year 2 (3) so I guess we have to see how BG drafts and spends now before making anymore criticisms.

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[RRyder823]

Gute losses some credibility as a GM for bringing Pettine back. Pettine is mediocre at best and after last Sunday, I don't see how you bring him back if you're serious about getting to a Super Bowl. Pettine is not championship level, and it's pretty obvious.

Gute doesn't decide on staff. Murphy does. Maybe Murphy gave MLF final authority on staff (I doubt it) but both MLF and Gute report directly to Murphy.

Yeah, you're right, I always forget about that. I make the mistake of assuming the GM actually gets to be the GM. Having followed the Bucks during the Herb Kohl years, I should know better than to always assume that..lol.

Even in a normal setting it still isnt the GM that decides the coaching staff

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[DrWood]

If you want to blame Rodgers for aging - so be it. He's the same age as Favre was for the infamous Giants playoff game. But I think it's unfair to expect the same production we've seen in the past with fewer weapons than he's had in a decade, all while aging. Give him some help or build a Top 5 defense. Blaming him is easy - and stupid.

Favre was actually two years older than A-Rod for the January 2008 Giants NFC title game. And Favre by that point had a lot more miles and hits on him, as A-Rod really didn't start as full time QB until age 25.

Think there is nuance to the A-Rod discussion. I don't blame him for yesterday. But at the same time, to win we need him to be prime A-Rod. He's not that anymore and hasn't been for the last two years. And that's not coming back.

Sure, he's still capable of having great games every now and then. But this team is going to have to live with him in the game manager QB role, while getting more playmakers on the team.

There was one reason why the Packers lost--they kept missing tackles. Anything else is insignificant.

edit: OK, the turnovers were somewhat significant.

[stillgotgame]

Why is the blame for the defensive ineptitude only on Pet? Isn’t LaFluer his boss? He’s gotta be more proactive if something isn’t working. Pettine ran the scheme, it didn’t work, but LaFluer did nothing that I could see.

I really like the structure of the 49ers front office. Coach is the boss of the GM. The real football guy makes the decisions, not some staff guy. Love it. Shanahan has a lot of power and has done a fantastic job. They’re a very complete team.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Honestly you can't blame that horrific game on any one person. Top down everyone sucked and was responsible.

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