2019-20 Offseason Thread

rarefind · Post #501 » by **rarefind** » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:10 pm

Still shocked Hudgens has not been canned.

Two Scenarios:

1. He knew what was happening (either had a hand in it, or didn't do anything about it). = Fire Him

2. He didn't know. If this is actually what he's going with... what job was he doing? How does the HC have no idea something so nefarious is happening under his nose? Highly unlikely situation but if so, grossly incompetent. = Fire Him

polo007 · Post #502 » by **polo007** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:40 am

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According to Wikipedia, Gabriel Guerrero and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. are cousins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Guerrero#Personal_life

Personal life

His uncles, Vladimir Guerrero and Wilton Guerrero, played in Major League Baseball. His cousin, Vladimir Guerrero Jr., is a third baseman for the Toronto Blue Jays.

Skin Blues · Post #504 » by **Skin Blues** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:42 pm

rarefind wrote:Still shocked Hudgens has not been canned.

Two Scenarios:

1. He knew what was happening (either had a hand in it, or didn't do anything about it). = Fire Him

2. He didn't know. If this is actually what he's going with... what job was he doing? How does the HC have no idea something so nefarious is happening under his nose? Highly unlikely situation but if so, grossly incompetent. = Fire Him

People aren't fired for doing bad things, they're fired for being a distraction. Nobody really cares about Hudgens. His name wasn't mentioned in the commissioners report, and we're not aware of anybody that reports to him being actively involved. Cora was named because he was actively involved, and Hinch was named because he was aware of everything, and was in charge of all parties involved in the scheme.

polo007 · Post #505 » by **polo007** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:02 am

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rarefind · Post #506 » by **rarefind** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:05 am

Skin Blues wrote:
rarefind wrote:Still shocked Hudgens has not been canned.

Two Scenarios:

1. He knew what was happening (either had a hand in it, or didn't do anything about it). = Fire Him

2. He didn't know. If this is actually what he's going with... what job was he doing? How does the HC have no idea something so nefarious is happening under his nose? Highly unlikely situation but if so, grossly incompetent. = Fire Him

People aren't fired for doing bad things, they're fired for being a distraction. Nobody really cares about Hudgens. His name wasn't mentioned in the commissioners report, and we're not aware of anybody that reports to him being actively involved. Cora was named because he was actively involved, and Hinch was named because he was aware of everything, and was in charge of all parties involved in the scheme.

How would Hudgens not be as aware as Hinch though? Everyone in that dugout knew what was up... completely insane he wasn't implicated in this. Even if there is a chance of this becoming a distraction you cut ties with him.

Black Watch · Post #507 » by **Black Watch** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:11 am

rarefind wrote:
Skin Blues wrote:
rarefind wrote:Still shocked Hudgens has not been canned.

Two Scenarios:

1. He knew what was happening (either had a hand in it, or didn't do anything about it). = Fire Him

2. He didn't know. If this is actually what he's going with... what job was he doing? How does the HC have no idea something so nefarious is happening under his nose? Highly unlikely situation but if so, grossly incompetent. = Fire Him

People aren't fired for doing bad things, they're fired for being a distraction. Nobody really cares about Hudgens. His name wasn't mentioned in the commissioners report, and we're not aware of anybody that reports to him being actively involved. Cora was named because he was actively involved, and Hinch was named because he was aware of everything, and was in charge of all parties involved in the scheme.

How would Hudgens not be as aware as Hinch though? Everyone in that dugout knew what was up... completely insane he wasn't implicated in this. Even if there is a chance of this becoming a distraction you cut ties with him.

Posts like these make me miss Ratul...

(Not joking.)

rarefind · Post #508 » by **rarefind** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:11 pm

Black Watch wrote:
rarefind wrote:
Skin Blues wrote:People aren't fired for doing bad things, they're fired for being a distraction. Nobody really cares about Hudgens. His name wasn't mentioned in the commissioners report, and we're not aware of anybody that reports to him being actively involved. Cora was named because he was actively involved, and Hinch was named because he was aware of everything, and was in charge of all parties involved in the scheme.

How would Hudgens not be as aware as Hinch though? Everyone in that dugout knew what was up... completely insane he wasn't implicated in this. Even if there is a chance of this becoming a distraction you cut ties with him.

Posts like these make me miss Ratul...

(Not joking.)

Why don't you actually add something to the discussion?

(Not joking.)

Skin Blues · Post #509 » by **Skin Blues** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:12 pm

rarefind wrote:
Skin Blues wrote:
rarefind wrote:Still shocked Hudgens has not been canned.

Two Scenarios:

1. He knew what was happening (either had a hand in it, or didn't do anything about it). = Fire Him

2. He didn't know. If this is actually what he's going with... what job was he doing? How does the HC have no idea something so nefarious is happening under his nose? Highly unlikely situation but if so, grossly incompetent. = Fire Him

People aren't fired for doing bad things, they're fired for being a distraction. Nobody really cares about Hudgens. His name wasn't mentioned in the commissioners report, and we're not aware of anybody that reports to him being actively involved. Cora was named because he was actively involved, and Hinch was named because he was aware of everything, and was in charge of all parties involved in the scheme.

How would Hudgens not be as aware as Hinch though? Everyone in that dugout knew what was up... completely insane he wasn't implicated in this. Even if there is a chance of this becoming a distraction you cut ties with him.

Hudgens was aware, of course. But Hinch is his boss, and Cora is his colleague. He can't fire or discipline his colleague. He can tell his boss, sure. But his boss was right there with him and obviously also knew what was happening. So the guy who cheated was fired, along with his manager, who was aware and didn't stop or punish the cheater, and the general manager, who was also aware, and also didn't stop or fire the cheater. If it was an assault or murder or something, and nobody went to the police, then that's different. But you can suspend/fire an entire team and coaching staff because they didn't go above their boss' heads to report the cheating to Rob Manfred or something.

Black Watch · Post #510 » by **Black Watch** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:48 pm

rarefind wrote:
Black Watch wrote:
rarefind wrote:
How would Hudgens not be as aware as Hinch though? Everyone in that dugout knew what was up... completely insane he wasn't implicated in this. Even if there is a chance of this becoming a distraction you cut ties with him.

Posts like these make me miss Ratul...

(Not joking.)

Why don't you actually add something to the discussion?

(Not joking.)

Because I know Skin Blues will address all your concerns, and because even if he doesn’t it’s as simple as referring to the final report the commissioner put out right after the suspensions were handed down.

MLB Full Report Link Here

“I will not assess discipline against individual Astros players. I made the decision in September 2017 that I would hold a Club’s General Manager and Field Manager for misconduct of this kind, and I will not depart from that decision.”

I linked that in the thread we made for this topic. If you haven’t read it, check it out. Link is here

And come on, Hudgens’ job involves watching video, so of course he was one of the 60 members of the Astros organization who were interviewed, and had his emails dug through as well. Everyone in the Astros dugout knew it was cheating, but there was obviously not enough evidence on Hudgens to lump him in with Cora. And if they could have thrown him under the bus to take more of the spotlight off the players they would have.

Read the report, it actually goes into why they didn’t discipline any of the players involved, or even Cora, and some of the history behind the policy.

And the “(Not joking.)” part was because I like how you’re doubling down on your point of view, because it adds to the debate. It reminded me of when Ratul did that, a lot, at the end of last year. Everybody thought his takes were ridiculous, but it’s actually good for the board, gets us all talking

wazabifuzz · Post #511 » by **wazabifuzz** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:35 pm

The CF position is still not good enough and probably that is priority #1 for Ross now.
it's probably going to take at least something like borouki / SRF, Hernandez , a B prospect or more to get a quality starting CF.

polo007 · Post #512 » by **polo007** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:32 pm

Report: Boston Red Sox, San Diego Padres discussed Mookie Betts trade - TSN.ca

The Boston Red Sox and San Diego Padres have discussed a potential Mookie Betts trade, according to a report from The Athletic's Dennis Lin.

The Padres and Red Sox have discussed a potential trade that would bring Mookie Betts to San Diego, sources tell The Athletic: https://t.co/Mn5be5SwlM
— Dennis Lin (@dennistlin) January 24, 2020

Lin reports trade talks have focused on the Padres sending OF Wil Myers and "a significant amount of prospect talent" to the Red Sox in any trade for Betts.

Lin added multiple people familiar with the discussions called the trade unlikely, but there does appear to be legitimate interest on both sides.

Betts, who is due to become a free agent at the end of this coming season, avoided arbitration with the Red Sox by signing a one-year, $27 million deal with the club earlier this month. The deal was the largest one-year salary for an arbitration-eligible player.

The 27-year-old hit .295/.391/.524 with 29 home runs and 80 RBIs last season. Betts was named the 2018 AL MVP.

polo007 · Post #513 » by **polo007** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:33 pm

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phillipmike · Post #516 » by **phillipmike** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:22 am

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I take Jansen next season over Ramos, Chrinos, Narveaz and maybe even Molina very easily.

polo007 · Post #517 » by **polo007** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:56 pm

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bturn2210 · Post #519 » by **bturn2210** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:01 pm

Would love Senzel but not sure the Jays have the win now pieces that Reds would be looking for outside of their young core..maybe a catcher (Jansen, Mcguire), plus, but not sure.

polo007 · Post #520 » by **polo007** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:46 pm

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