Kings Trade Thread

[bleeds_purple]

James Ham reported yesterday that we were likely to hold onto Bogi past the deadline which I think would be a huge mistake. I love Bogi but we need to move him while we can get the most assets we can.

You can always sign and trade him. But why would we want to trade one of our only intelligent players who is still young? The best player to trade right now is Bjelica. He's having a career season right now. Sell high. He deserves to be in the playoffs.

[BoogieTime]

Fox more and more looks like Michael Carter-Williams. No progress in any aspect of his game... Below 70% FT! Man, just go to gym and practice until you die!
Starting to think that there's no untouchable players in this roster. I'm ready move them all for assets and start from the beginning.

I don't agree with the evaluation of Fox, sure his free throws have been really rough but he has definitely improved.

Last Year's Averages:
17.3 pts, 3.8 Reb, 7.3 Ast, 1.6 Stl, 2.8 TO on 49.7% eFG%, 54.4% TS%, 18.1 PER, .106 WS/48

This Year:
19.2 Pts, 4.2 Reb, 7.2 Ast, 1.5 Stl, 3.3 TO on 50.9% eFG%, 55.1% TS%, 20.2 PER, .109 WS/48

He's noticeably more aggressive attacking the rim as well and his been able to get to the cup at will almost this year and his free throw rate has even jumped from 37.8% to 40.3%. I do agree that we need to start stacking assets to get Fox some help though.

James Ham reported yesterday that we were likely to hold onto Bogi past the deadline which I think would be a huge mistake. I love Bogi but we need to move him while we can get the most assets we can.

Defensively....? The leadership isn’t there either IMO. IMO it’s a motor struggle. His counting numbers have improved though, which is good.

I’m starting to think he needs to be paired with another lead ball handler as well

BOgi, it would depend on the package to me. We are losing sufficiently with him, and he has old man game that can age. You need value for him

[codydaze]

Fox more and more looks like Michael Carter-Williams. No progress in any aspect of his game... Below 70% FT! Man, just go to gym and practice until you die!
Starting to think that there's no untouchable players in this roster. I'm ready move them all for assets and start from the beginning.

I don't agree with the evaluation of Fox, sure his free throws have been really rough but he has definitely improved.

Last Year's Averages:
17.3 pts, 3.8 Reb, 7.3 Ast, 1.6 Stl, 2.8 TO on 49.7% eFG%, 54.4% TS%, 18.1 PER, .106 WS/48

This Year:
19.2 Pts, 4.2 Reb, 7.2 Ast, 1.5 Stl, 3.3 TO on 50.9% eFG%, 55.1% TS%, 20.2 PER, .109 WS/48

He's noticeably more aggressive attacking the rim as well and his been able to get to the cup at will almost this year and his free throw rate has even jumped from 37.8% to 40.3%. I do agree that we need to start stacking assets to get Fox some help though.

James Ham reported yesterday that we were likely to hold onto Bogi past the deadline which I think would be a huge mistake. I love Bogi but we need to move him while we can get the most assets we can.

Defensively....? The leadership isn’t there either IMO. IMO it’s a motor struggle. His counting numbers have improved though, which is good.

I’m starting to think he needs to be paired with another lead ball handler as well

BOgi, it would depend on the package to me. We are losing sufficiently with him, and he has old man game that can age. You need value for him

I don't think he has motor issues, it's hard to look like you've taken a leap when the rest of the team has taken such a huge step back. I think he's been fine defensively too, his defensive FG% numbers have dropped a bit but he's getting more deflections per game and is about consistent with his contested shots per game (5.4 last year to 5.5 this year).

His potential assists per game are up from 13 last year to 14.2 this year too so I'm very comfortable with Fox's development, I think he's had a good year in spite of the rest of the team not performing well.

Bogi's value isn't going to be any higher than it is now once he signs an extension so now is the time to move him if we are ever going to in my opinion. I would definitely be looking for young players or a first round pick, preferably both.

[codydaze]

James Ham reported yesterday that we were likely to hold onto Bogi past the deadline which I think would be a huge mistake. I love Bogi but we need to move him while we can get the most assets we can.

You can always sign and trade him. But why would we want to trade one of our only intelligent players who is still young? The best player to trade right now is Bjelica. He's having a career season right now. Sell high. He deserves to be in the playoffs.

Why not both?

It's not that I want to trade Bogi, I would love to keep him, I just think it's the right move for the team to squeeze out as many assets as we can get for him. Once he signs his extension there's that much less cap flexibility to make moves and I'm pretty sure you can't package other pieces with him in a sign and trade. I'm not 100% on that but I'm pretty sure so it would make more sense to move him now in a package with a guy like Giles or to dump Dedmon to maximize the value we get in a trade.

[bleeds_purple]

James Ham reported yesterday that we were likely to hold onto Bogi past the deadline which I think would be a huge mistake. I love Bogi but we need to move him while we can get the most assets we can.

You can always sign and trade him. But why would we want to trade one of our only intelligent players who is still young? The best player to trade right now is Bjelica. He's having a career season right now. Sell high. He deserves to be in the playoffs.

Why not both?

It's not that I want to trade Bogi, I would love to keep him, I just think it's the right move for the team to squeeze out as many assets as we can get for him. Once he signs his extension there's that much less cap flexibility to make moves and I'm pretty sure you can't package other pieces with him in a sign and trade. I'm not 100% on that but I'm pretty sure so it would make more sense to move him now in a package with a guy like Giles or to dump Dedmon to maximize the value we get in a trade.

I hear you. I guess to me if we trade Bogi that signals a complete tear down involving trading everyone besides Fox and Bagley. If there is any hope of succeeding within the next few years with this group we need to hold onto Bogi. You won't be replacing him.

[dckingsfan]

I really don't get this team. It just seems like management, coaching staff and the players are all under performing at the same time.

Usually I have a pretty good idea (although often wrong ) about what the next steps should be... this team is just perplexing.

[blind prophet]

I know he stinks, but Tolliver for an injured player and a second?

I thought maybe Dudley who hasn't really played this season may work, but being told no way.

Can someone think of someone that may be willing to give up a second for him that has an injured player or someone not playing at all?

[KF10]

At this point, everyone is on the table.

Bagley included. Doncic, Young are all stars. Ayton, JJJ look like rising bigs with already now-impact. SGA looks good too. Bagley looks completely the same from last year. There was no improvement of his body. Or game. Sell high.

Fox is probably the only guy I may keep tho. But he does have his own problems too. His IQ is super high and I think he can outgrow/improve a lot of his weaknesses. He is an absolute talent. He’s the only player on this roster that can be really really good for his position. You listen to offers but it’s gonna cost teams a pretty penny for us to move him.

Holmes and Bogi. I don’t mind keeping them but the problem is that they are one of the few pieces we have are considered real value. Nemanja as well. Gotta squeeze value from somewhere.

[bleeds_purple]

I really don't get this team. It just seems like management, coaching staff and the players are all under performing at the same time.

Usually I have a pretty good idea (although often wrong ) about what the next steps should be... this team is just perplexing.

I feel the same way. I think it's because on paper this team should be solid and has no real holes. Most of us thought that to varying degrees coming into the season. You have three guards who would be rotation players on any team in the league, a solid starting forward, a solid stretch PF who actually plays defense and rebounds while shooting amazingly from deep, and a half decent (albeit underperforming save for Holmes) collection of bigs. But then I watch them on the court and its the most unprofessional team I've ever witnessed.

That's what lead me to primarily blame the organization itself. But you can rest assured first the players will get blamed, then the coach, and then management. In truth, it needs to go in reverse order. Fire Vlade and if anything Vivek needs to "fire" himself and hire a guy above GM to be the de facto "owner" of the team. What are your betting odds on Vivek even being able to dribble a basketball let alone understand anything that is a basic requirement of being a successful owner of an NBA team?

[BoogieTime]

It’s all four levels at once, for sure - players, coaches, FO, ownership

The team has quit on the coach IMO. Is the first thing noticeable on the floor. The players haven’t improved overall or played how they are paid. Guys like Hield/Barnes getting paid 20+ and being older showing no leadership. FO is maybe the worst in the league. Ownership has failed

With that said, the first step needs to be new FO. That’s the first source of the continued leak. Ownership isn’t leaving. We need competent management making future decisions and implementing a future plan. Coaching is trivial to this IMO.

Vlade needs to be replaced ASAP. As it stands now we have IMO an incompetent voice leading future personnel acquisition. Not only that, now that he is on the hot seat his voice may not be in the best interest in the team, ie making win now moves or not making long term investment

[NYG]

What picks do you need from OKC in a Dedmon and Bogdanovic (absorbed into TPE) for Roberson swap?

[kalenclayton]

What picks do you need from OKC in a Dedmon and Bogdanovic (absorbed into TPE) for Roberson swap?

To be honest, I really don’t think Vlade will trade Bogi unless the team goes on another extended losing streak (which could be possible, but I kinda doubt it will happen before the trade deadline). If they did move him, I think many of the OKC picks are appealing to the Kings. Unfortunately, this years draft has nice rotational bench prospects deep in the draft, but no real star potential in the range OKC has picks in. That devalues this years picks to the Kings. If it was me, I would ask for the 2020 OKC 1st (top-12 protected; 20-30 already protected) and swap rights to the ‘21 1st (which is quite convoluted with MIA and HOU). If the 2020 1st doesn’t convey to the Kings, then Kings receive unprotected ‘21 1st (which would be most favorable of OKC, MIA, and HOU).

I also don’t think they trade Bogi with Dedmon unless the trade partner values Dedmon neutral - positive. The team needs to maximize the return for Bogi and isn’t in a position that it needs to cut future salary (unless you are moving big money like Barnes/Hield).

[RodyTur10]

Celtics fan here. The Celtics need a better supporting cast around Walker, Brown, Tatum and Hayward, so IMO they should be interested in trading for quality role players like the Kings have at their disposal. On the other hand the Celtics have a couple of rookies who could become useful pieces around your Fox/Hield/Bagley core.

Let me know what you guys think of this proposal:

To Kings: Grant Williams, Carsen Edwards, Javonte Green, Vincent Poirier + '20 Milwaukee 1st rounder
To Celtics: Nemanja Bjelica + Richaun Holmes

(most Celtics fans really like Grant Williams, but I want them to make a win-now-move)

[jazanetti]

Celtics fan here. The Celtics need a better supporting cast around Walker, Brown, Tatum and Hayward, so IMO they should be interested in trading for quality role players like the Kings have at their disposal. On the other hand the Celtics have a couple of rookies who could become useful pieces around your Fox/Hield/Bagley core.

Let me know what you guys think of this proposal:

To Kings: Grant Williams, Carsen Edwards, Javonte Green, Vincent Poirier + '20 Milwaukee 1st rounder
To Celtics: Nemanja Bjelica + Richaun Holmes

(most Celtics fans really like Grant Williams, but I want them to make a win-now-move)

I'd ask more for Holmes.

[kalenclayton]

Celtics fan here. The Celtics need a better supporting cast around Walker, Brown, Tatum and Hayward, so IMO they should be interested in trading for quality role players like the Kings have at their disposal. On the other hand the Celtics have a couple of rookies who could become useful pieces around your Fox/Hield/Bagley core.

Let me know what you guys think of this proposal:

To Kings: Grant Williams, Carsen Edwards, Javonte Green, Vincent Poirier + '20 Milwaukee 1st rounder
To Celtics: Nemanja Bjelica + Richaun Holmes

(most Celtics fans really like Grant Williams, but I want them to make a win-now-move)

I'd ask more for Holmes.

Agreed. The Kings can’t be diluting assets at this point.

[kalenclayton]

Any predictions out there?
I think it will be a pretty quiet deadline. Maybe the Kings move Beli to a contender, but that’s all I can really see.

[BoogieTime]

As much as I’m pro rebuild, id still think of holding onto Holmes. Age wise he can still fit. It’s really about what type of feel they get about him re signing, hopefully they can suss that out. I’d move him if he wanted to be moved

[dckingsfan]

As much as I’m pro rebuild, id still think of holding onto Holmes. Age wise he can still fit. It’s really about what type of feel they get about him re signing, hopefully they can suss that out. I’d move him if he wanted to be moved

Agreed, no one on the roster is unmovable at this point. But you don't trade Fox, Bogdan, Hield, Bjelica or Holmes for peanuts.

You would need to get something solid in a deal for them that would move you forward.

[dckingsfan]

Celtics fan here. The Celtics need a better supporting cast around Walker, Brown, Tatum and Hayward, so IMO they should be interested in trading for quality role players like the Kings have at their disposal. On the other hand the Celtics have a couple of rookies who could become useful pieces around your Fox/Hield/Bagley core.

Let me know what you guys think of this proposal:

To Kings: Grant Williams, Carsen Edwards, Javonte Green, Vincent Poirier + '20 Milwaukee 1st rounder
To Celtics: Nemanja Bjelica + Richaun Holmes

(most Celtics fans really like Grant Williams, but I want them to make a win-now-move)

I'd ask more for Holmes.

@jazanetti, yep and Lanford in Green out would need to be in there as well and we would need another pick.

So, Langford, Williams, Edwards + 2 first round picks. No way Ainge does this - he only does one sided trades.

And we should only do this if we are going to do a complete rebuild - I don't think we are there yet.

@RodyTur10 - you are right, that would push Boston over the top. You would be getting a solid starting PF and C. You wouldn't have to start 2 shooting guards and Theis could come off the bench as well as one of Brown or Smart.

[LightTheBeam]

Any predictions out there?
I think it will be a pretty quiet deadline. Maybe the Kings move Beli to a contender, but that’s all I can really see.

I'm for keeping the main pieces of the squad together. Coaching changes are never easy especially for young teams, that along with massive injuries we have faced have completely derailed the team. I want to see if Fox-Buddy-Bogdan-Barnes-Bagley-Bjelica-Holmes can stay healthy and finish the year off strong.

That said, if we need to move someone i'm mostly looking at Bogdan. I get the feeling he wants to see what he could do with an expanded role. If he would buy into this team id love to keep him, but i also wouldn't mind shipping him off for someone like White from SA.

Dedmon and Joseph should be the guys we are putting on the block. This team badly needs a fast backup pg who if nothing else pushes the pace and has some 3pt shooting ability. I don't expect Joseph to be moved because his contract is awful. and Walton trusts his defense, but I do think we find a trade for Dedmon before the deadline.