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This is a legit issue for the Mavs especially with the amount of assets they gave up and percentage of the cap he'll be for the next 5 years.

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Rick Carlisle is partly to blame; they were talking about load management during the beginning of the season, but they really grinded him down way too early in his recovery stage. It sucked because KP moved extremely well and played some of the best ball I have seen from him.

[Saberestar]

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This is a legit issue for the Mavs especially with the amount of assets they gave up and percentage of the cap he'll be for the next 5 years.

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I think that Phil Jackson said it before...he is too tall to play basketball.

It is very difficult for guys over 7'2 to stay healthy and play too many games. And the current high pace is a problem for them too.

[lilfishi22]

I think the trade you would do 9 times out of 10. But what I had an issue with was how they maxed him out without having seen him play since the injury or given some time to see if his body would hold up. I get why they did it - to give him a sense of security, but that's a huge punt maxing out a 7'2 guy coming back from ACL surgery.

[SunsRback4Good]

Hawks just beat the Spurs on the road. Suns loss doesn't seem as bad as it was anymore.

[ATTL]

Kristaps has been hurt his whole career. His numbers always got worse as the year went on his whole career and he barely plays after January.

That contract is going to be unmovable soon.

[handsome salary]

Nice to see TJ doing so well on the Pacers. He was high man last night against the Wolves. Had to bold the **** part.

On defense, the former Phoenix Sun has grown from one of the worst defenders in the NBA to a capable one who has made some highlight plays.
Warren’s scoring is what defines him as a player. He is a master of floaters and finishes seemingly every shot he takes around the rim. Puny defenders are no match for him; he’s a tremendous scorer.
But his development in other key areas of basketball have transformed him from an empty stats guys to an impactful wing. He can fit with almost any other four players around him. The Pacers have to be thrilled with his development, especially when considering they only had to trade cash to get him.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonyeast/2020/01/17/10-observations-indiana-pacers-halfway-point/#a3d360164fbf

[spanishninja]

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This is a legit issue for the Mavs especially with the amount of assets they gave up and percentage of the cap he'll be for the next 5 years.

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they're gonna run Luka into the ground the next few years.

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It would be so nice if we could have a box score for our starters like either of these teams did here... https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401161254

Ask and you shall receive. Nice box scores in the last two games.

[bwgood77]

This game was 114-98 with 2:38 left, and the Hawks cut it to 117-115, before losing it....

Young scored 10 of those points. Finished with 42 along with 15 assists.

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401161282

This was a healthy Raptors team too, so we probably shouldn't feel too bad about that Hawks loss.

[lilfishi22]

This game was 114-98 with 2:38 left, and the Hawks cut it to 117-115, before losing it....

Young scored 10 of those points. Finished with 42 along with 15 assists.

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401161282

This was a healthy Raptors team too, so we probably shouldn't feel too bad about that Hawks loss.

I remember we discussed a fair bit about the potential of a Young/Booker backcourt (should we not get the #1 pick) and I think we both recognised that the pros would be a transformational backcourt that could rival the Steph/Klay duo but the cons would possibly be one of the worst defenses from guard we've ever seen.

Given how well Young has played and developed in less than 2 seasons and where Booker is now playing next to a high level passer, how do you see this potential backcourt now?

[bwgood77]

This game was 114-98 with 2:38 left, and the Hawks cut it to 117-115, before losing it....

Young scored 10 of those points. Finished with 42 along with 15 assists.

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401161282

This was a healthy Raptors team too, so we probably shouldn't feel too bad about that Hawks loss.

I remember we discussed a fair bit about the potential of a Young/Booker backcourt (should we not get the #1 pick) and I think we both recognised that the pros would be a transformational backcourt that could rival the Steph/Klay duo but the cons would possibly be one of the worst defenses from guard we've ever seen.

Given how well Young has played and developed in less than 2 seasons and where Booker is now playing next to a high level passer, how do you see this potential backcourt now?

I am not sure. I still don't know how two ball dominant scorers in the backcourt would play together. Trae is a great passer though, and if they were fine playing off each other, the offense could be great.

But no one is Curry and Klay...they both shoot over 40% from 3, move the ball well, etc.

So our defense would be far worse, our shooting would be worse (Trae 37.4%, Book 35.5% from 3), and our turnovers would be far worse.

From what I'm seeing from Ayton, I'd still firmly take him after Doncic. One could argue the same things about a Doncic/Booker pairing, but Doncic guards bigger guys, is a fairly neutral defender, rebounds, etc....and of course is MVP caliber in his second season at age 20.

Now of course both pairings might mean that they both shoot better since they both attract so much defensive attention that they would get more open looks or catch and shoots, and they likely would, but Curry and Klay our two of the best shooters ever, so it's unlikely you ever see a pairing in the backcourt that shoots that well on that volume again.

[lilfishi22]

This game was 114-98 with 2:38 left, and the Hawks cut it to 117-115, before losing it....

Young scored 10 of those points. Finished with 42 along with 15 assists.

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401161282

This was a healthy Raptors team too, so we probably shouldn't feel too bad about that Hawks loss.

I remember we discussed a fair bit about the potential of a Young/Booker backcourt (should we not get the #1 pick) and I think we both recognised that the pros would be a transformational backcourt that could rival the Steph/Klay duo but the cons would possibly be one of the worst defenses from guard we've ever seen.

Given how well Young has played and developed in less than 2 seasons and where Booker is now playing next to a high level passer, how do you see this potential backcourt now?

I am not sure. I still don't know how two ball dominant scorers in the backcourt would play together. Trae is a great passer though, and if they were fine playing off each other, the offense could be great.

But no one is Curry and Klay...they both shoot over 40% from 3, move the ball well, etc.

So our defense would be far worse, our shooting would be worse (Trae 37.4%, Book 35.5% from 3), and our turnovers would be far worse.

From what I'm seeing from Ayton, I'd still firmly take him after Doncic. One could argue the same things about a Doncic/Booker pairing, but Doncic guards bigger guys, is a fairly neutral defender, rebounds, etc....and of course is MVP caliber in his second season at age 20.

Now of course both pairings might mean that they both shoot better since they both attract so much defensive attention that they would get more open looks or catch and shoots, and they likely would, but Curry and Klay our two of the best shooters ever, so it's unlikely you ever see a pairing in the backcourt that shoots that well on that volume again.

I'd still take Ayton after Luka as well although Young was and still is super intriguing.

I think more of a surprise than Trae being a average 3pt shooter is Booker turning out to be a pretty average to below average 3pt shooter as well. Seems like every year he deals with some sort of injury which we attribute to poor shooting performances but it's year 5 now and he has an elite playmaker next to him, yet he's essentially shooting at his career average of .354 from the 3. I always thought he was a better shooter than he's shown to be but unfortunately, he's never been able to prove that even with the added playmaker. Booker not being the elite or great shooter I thought he could be would've made the Trae/Booker backcourt potent but not elite offensively

[bwgood77]

Oh man, Markkanen out 4-6 weeks.

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I remember we discussed a fair bit about the potential of a Young/Booker backcourt (should we not get the #1 pick) and I think we both recognised that the pros would be a transformational backcourt that could rival the Steph/Klay duo but the cons would possibly be one of the worst defenses from guard we've ever seen.

Given how well Young has played and developed in less than 2 seasons and where Booker is now playing next to a high level passer, how do you see this potential backcourt now?

I am not sure. I still don't know how two ball dominant scorers in the backcourt would play together. Trae is a great passer though, and if they were fine playing off each other, the offense could be great.

But no one is Curry and Klay...they both shoot over 40% from 3, move the ball well, etc.

So our defense would be far worse, our shooting would be worse (Trae 37.4%, Book 35.5% from 3), and our turnovers would be far worse.

From what I'm seeing from Ayton, I'd still firmly take him after Doncic. One could argue the same things about a Doncic/Booker pairing, but Doncic guards bigger guys, is a fairly neutral defender, rebounds, etc....and of course is MVP caliber in his second season at age 20.

Now of course both pairings might mean that they both shoot better since they both attract so much defensive attention that they would get more open looks or catch and shoots, and they likely would, but Curry and Klay our two of the best shooters ever, so it's unlikely you ever see a pairing in the backcourt that shoots that well on that volume again.

I'd still take Ayton after Luka as well although Young was and still is super intriguing.

I think more of a surprise than Trae being a average 3pt shooter is Booker turning out to be a pretty average to below average 3pt shooter as well. Seems like every year he deals with some sort of injury which we attribute to poor shooting performances but it's year 5 now and he has an elite playmaker next to him, yet he's essentially shooting at his career average of .354 from the 3. I always thought he was a better shooter than he's shown to be but unfortunately, he's never been able to prove that even with the added playmaker. Booker not being the elite or great shooter I thought he could be would've made the Trae/Booker backcourt potent but not elite offensively

Yeah I feel like this deserves a thread of its own but Booker might be the most overrated 3pt shooter in the NBA. And by saying that, I don’t mean he’s a bad shooter but so many people (especially non Suns fans) think he’s some great shooter and that’s all he can do. But in reality he’s actually not a great shooter and there’s a lot of other things he can do to score.

He’s a solid 3pt shooter really and that’s about it. Career 35% shooter which is what he’s shooting this season as well. Feels like Booker knows this too that’s why he hardly even attempts 3s in the first half of games recently and then starts chucking them away in the second half once the Suns find themselves in a huge deficit.

I’m glad someone else noticed this too, it’s something that’s been on my mind lately when watching games.

[bwgood77]

I am not sure. I still don't know how two ball dominant scorers in the backcourt would play together. Trae is a great passer though, and if they were fine playing off each other, the offense could be great.

But no one is Curry and Klay...they both shoot over 40% from 3, move the ball well, etc.

So our defense would be far worse, our shooting would be worse (Trae 37.4%, Book 35.5% from 3), and our turnovers would be far worse.

From what I'm seeing from Ayton, I'd still firmly take him after Doncic. One could argue the same things about a Doncic/Booker pairing, but Doncic guards bigger guys, is a fairly neutral defender, rebounds, etc....and of course is MVP caliber in his second season at age 20.

Now of course both pairings might mean that they both shoot better since they both attract so much defensive attention that they would get more open looks or catch and shoots, and they likely would, but Curry and Klay our two of the best shooters ever, so it's unlikely you ever see a pairing in the backcourt that shoots that well on that volume again.

I'd still take Ayton after Luka as well although Young was and still is super intriguing.

I think more of a surprise than Trae being a average 3pt shooter is Booker turning out to be a pretty average to below average 3pt shooter as well. Seems like every year he deals with some sort of injury which we attribute to poor shooting performances but it's year 5 now and he has an elite playmaker next to him, yet he's essentially shooting at his career average of .354 from the 3. I always thought he was a better shooter than he's shown to be but unfortunately, he's never been able to prove that even with the added playmaker. Booker not being the elite or great shooter I thought he could be would've made the Trae/Booker backcourt potent but not elite offensively

Yeah I feel like this deserves a thread of its own but Booker might be the most overrated 3pt shooter in the NBA. And by saying that, I don’t mean he’s a bad shooter but so many people (especially non Suns fans) think he’s some great shooter and that’s all he can do. But in reality he’s actually not a great shooter and there’s a lot of other things he can do to score.

He’s a solid 3pt shooter really and that’s about it. Career 35% shooter which is what he’s shooting this season as well. Feels like Booker knows this too that’s why he hardly even attempts 3s in the first half of games recently and then starts chucking them away in the second half once the Suns find themselves in a huge deficit.

I’m glad someone else noticed this too, it’s something that’s been on my mind lately when watching games.

He'd be better if he took more open catch and shoots and less spot ups. He takes so few 3s now it seems like half of them might be end of Q shots with a defender right on him after he's dribbled out the clock. A little like the last shot against SA the other night.

It is weird he does so well in the 3 pt shooting contests, but I guess it's obviously different than doing it in a game. Most of the past winners were very good in the game too though.

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I'd still take Ayton after Luka as well although Young was and still is super intriguing.

I think more of a surprise than Trae being a average 3pt shooter is Booker turning out to be a pretty average to below average 3pt shooter as well. Seems like every year he deals with some sort of injury which we attribute to poor shooting performances but it's year 5 now and he has an elite playmaker next to him, yet he's essentially shooting at his career average of .354 from the 3. I always thought he was a better shooter than he's shown to be but unfortunately, he's never been able to prove that even with the added playmaker. Booker not being the elite or great shooter I thought he could be would've made the Trae/Booker backcourt potent but not elite offensively

Yeah I feel like this deserves a thread of its own but Booker might be the most overrated 3pt shooter in the NBA. And by saying that, I don’t mean he’s a bad shooter but so many people (especially non Suns fans) think he’s some great shooter and that’s all he can do. But in reality he’s actually not a great shooter and there’s a lot of other things he can do to score.

He’s a solid 3pt shooter really and that’s about it. Career 35% shooter which is what he’s shooting this season as well. Feels like Booker knows this too that’s why he hardly even attempts 3s in the first half of games recently and then starts chucking them away in the second half once the Suns find themselves in a huge deficit.

I’m glad someone else noticed this too, it’s something that’s been on my mind lately when watching games.

He'd be better if he took more open catch and shoots and less spot ups. He takes so few 3s now it seems like half of them might be end of Q shots with a defender right on him after he's dribbled out the clock. A little like the last shot against SA the other night.

It is weird he does so well in the 3 pt shooting contests, but I guess it's obviously different than doing it in a game. Most of the past winners were very good in the game too though.

Yeah it makes sense that does well in the 3pt contest because the Suns post a bunch of clips on their Insta page often of him hitting like 30-40 3s easily while missing very few with someone just feeding him the ball in an open gym.

Shooting it in games with the pressure of a defense around him is just way different. He still a solid 3pt shooter but he’s not great or very good from there.

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Suns have to lead the league in guys who in theory should be better 3pt shooters than they are in reality.

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[bwgood77]

Suns have to lead the league in guys who in theory should be better 3pt shooters than they are in reality.

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Yeah, it's pretty bad when you don't even have a starter shooting 36% or better this year.

[bwgood77]

I can't imagine what this place would be like if we lost like this.....post from GB...

Sacramento trailed by 17 with 2:49 left. According to ESPN Stats and Info, entering Monday, NBA teams were 0-8,378 since 1996-97 when trailing by 17 or more in the final 3 minutes of the fourth quarter or overtime.

With 1:39 to go, up 13 still, Wiggins, Towns and the rest leave the game for garbage time, lol. This team has lost like 10 in a row, and they are trotting out garbage time lineups . Hield went to the line down 3 with under 4 seconds to go, makes his first, then misses the second on purpose, gets his own rebound and scores to tie it. Towns was on during this, so was Wiggins. What a **** show.