Trade Thread Part Deux

[SmartWentCrazy]

The ONLY way Hayward is traded is if he publicly asks to be traded. This will never happen...

So why did Ainge call on Drummond then?

A call and actually placing GH into ANY trade are 2 very diff things. What's more, there are other ways of matching salaries. IMO if Ainge could work his way up to 25m in non core maneuvers, Aldridge would be the target not Drummond

I would keep an eye on TThompsom. That threshold is only 16m

Spoiler: Ainge isnt look to add a 5th near max player

[SmartWentCrazy]

The ONLY way Hayward is traded is if he publicly asks to be traded. This will never happen...

So why did Ainge call on Drummond then?

did he? are you ainge?

We doing the ‘ignore Shams’ thing cuz we dont like what he has to say?

[Curmudgeon]

The player that NO needs to trade is Jrue. He will fetch much more than the others, and he's too old to fit their developmental timeline.

[Curmudgeon]

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[MagicBagley18]

The ONLY way Hayward is traded is if he publicly asks to be traded. This will never happen...

I totally agree with you...calls are callas and even if Danny doesn’t want another max (he doesnt) Hayward won’t even be traded for roster depth flexibility. Ain’t happening

[SmartWentCrazy]

that's about as smart as Joe Johnson for Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers to win 5 more wins and make the playoffs in a year where we had no chance at a championship.

Same thing.

Does Hayward and picks for Favors/Redick put us in the finals with a chance? No.

Does it clear up space to make a big move next year to do the same? No.

Does it give us better assets for trades in the future? No, and big No.

I'm all for any trade that improves any of those 3 things, or at least doesn't hurt any of those things. Like if we trade some assets for the Lazer, and then retain him, it could be a move that moves us closer to a championship. This trade does none of the above.

Heres the alternative:

Hayward opts out and leaves this summer or leaves the following summer in FA.

A Kemba-Tatum-Brown-Hayward core, with all re-signed, will cost way too much. One of Hayward/Brown will be off the team in the next two years, and my vote is Hayward. Trading for good players isnt a negative.

Based on the rumors of Ainge calling on Drummond, I’m guessing he votes the same.

Ok, in my scenario, we do no trade, Hayward leaves for nothing, we keep our picks and hope we get a late round gem like Siakam.

In your scenario, we trade for 2 stop gags, they leave in free agency or old age, and we don't have picks to swing for the fences.

If you said Hayward straight up for Favors/Redick because you feel Hayward will opt out and leave, I'd say it's a wash and Danny would have a better feel for what Hayward wants to do than we do, but no first round picks in trades that don't bring back something that will stay on the team for a legit championship run. young cost controlled talent is to valuable in todays CBA. this isn't 10 years ago when you could buy late round picks for 3m cash.

A) I feel like the 28 year old Favors could be our C for atleast the next 5 years. He stands to get squeezed this summer, so his bird rights would give us a good deal.

B) I have zero confidence in our late picks this year and recognize our pending roster crunch. Cant keep adding rookies to this team without cutting other guys on rookie contracts.

[SmartWentCrazy]

The ONLY way Hayward is traded is if he publicly asks to be traded. This will never happen...

I totally agree with you...calls are callas and even if Danny doesn’t want another max (he doesnt) Hayward won’t even be traded for roster depth flexibility. Ain’t happening

You dont call if ‘the only way Hayward gets dealt is if he demands a trade’

[GoCeltics123]

So why did Ainge call on Drummond then?

did he? are you ainge?

We doing the ‘ignore Shams’ thing cuz we dont like what he has to say?

Drummond wants a max too. Danny called for due diligence purposes I think. If he doesn’t get the deal he wants, he’ll opt in for the same $ as Hayward.

I don’t see it.

[MagicBagley18]

The ONLY way Hayward is traded is if he publicly asks to be traded. This will never happen...

I totally agree with you...calls are callas and even if Danny doesn’t want another max (he doesnt) Hayward won’t even be traded for roster depth flexibility. Ain’t happening

You dont call if ‘the only way Hayward gets dealt is if he demands a trade’

All friendly discussion here but we’ve known since a month ago from woj that we inquired- it’s his job to call and hear the asking price and also see what Drummond’s extension demands are (obviously max but still take a chance asking) shams says we have bypassed going after him nowhere does it say we’ve been actively pursuing him since the last report.

I’m sure Danny made a call and heard his answer and it’s still a no. Shams is reporting this doesn’t mean this is a new inquiry or active discussion, it means it was a hypothetical Danny asked about. Nothing more

[Zaschrona]

What about something like this?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=vx23chd

Not sure about picks, but our rotation could be:

Kemba/Wanamaker - Wiggins/Smart - Brown/Burks - Tatum/Williams - Capela/Kanter. No tax this year, but next 3 years would likely be much harder from that point of view...

[SmartWentCrazy]

did he? are you ainge?

We doing the ‘ignore Shams’ thing cuz we dont like what he has to say?

Drummond wants a max too. Danny called for due diligence purposes I think. If he doesn’t get the deal he wants, he’ll opt in for the same $ as Hayward.

I don’t see it.

I dont want Drummond.

But who do you think Ainge talked about when discussing him?

Spoiler: were not going to add a fifth near max guy.

Happy things didnt work out there, but reading between the lines tells me Ainge isnt as hell bent on keeping Hayward as some here are.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Who says no?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=vp8msyr

Minny out:
Dieng and Covington
In: Kanter, Green, Edwards, McConnell Boston First
why?
Save money and add youth and a pick


Indiana out:
Turner, Lamb, McConnel, McDermott
in
Dieng, Hayward, Bucks 1st
why? better fits with Sabonis. Dieng is a superior floor spacer and will do better parked in the corner than Turner. Hayward gives another team first guy who is unselfish to play with them. Most unselfish team in basketball will be the result.

Boston out:
Kanter, Hayward, Edwards, Green, 2 firsts.
in:
Turner, Lamb, Covington, McDermott
Boston upgrades the team.

Kemba/Smart
Brown/Lamb
Tatum/McDermott
Covington/GWilliams
Turner/Theis

backup PF is a little light, but Grant as a 10th man aint so bad (once timelord is back it will be between him and Grant as the 10th man)

Turner, Covington and McDermott would be ideal, but not sure if Indiana wants to give up much for Hayward given his player option. Hayward makes them better, but still not a title contender this year.

I think hayward is worth turner, mcdermott and mcconell. And I think lamb is worth less than dieng.

It would be close. Might need a pick attached.

Unless you're a title contender, a few months of Hayward isn't worth much.

[Darth Celtic]

Just remember in these double trade ideas, where we can trade, then trade again for more, we are hard capped, the site I checked shows we can add 14m more salary total this year. That is hard. We can't get around that.

[100proof]

Turner, Covington and McDermott would be ideal, but not sure if Indiana wants to give up much for Hayward given his player option. Hayward makes them better, but still not a title contender this year.

I think hayward is worth turner, mcdermott and mcconell. And I think lamb is worth less than dieng.

It would be close. Might need a pick attached.

Unless you're a title contender, a few months of Hayward isn't worth much.

I dont think Hayward would opt out of that scenario.
He would be on a legit contender and another season to raise his value more for 1 more big contract.

Dipo
Brogdon
Hayward
Sabonis
Dieng

Hell of a team there honestly.

[MagicBagley18]

I want no parts of Drummond lemme be clear and I only move Hayward for moves that makes us better and I don’t see any. What are your opinions if Danny added Drummond and bertans? In your opinions are we better? Are we same? Etc etc

[SLCceltic]

The ONLY way Hayward is traded is if he publicly asks to be traded. This will never happen...

I totally agree with you...calls are callas and even if Danny doesn’t want another max (he doesnt) Hayward won’t even be traded for roster depth flexibility. Ain’t happening

You dont call if ‘the only way Hayward gets dealt is if he demands a trade’

Do you ever want another FA to sign here??

GH is very well liked league-wide and chose to leave his first NBA home for Boston and his former coach. He gets hurt in a most heinous manner and then while on the mend, and with no clear and definitive evidence that he will not return to pre-injury form, BOSTON TRADES HIM!!!

Do you ever want another FA to pick Boston ??? GHs move to Boston was like a fairy tale reunion, and if Boston gives someone like that the boot it will give ANYONE the boot!! Signaling the end of FAgency!

I don't understand how you, or anyone else advocating GH trades, are unable to see this

[CelticFaninLBC]

I think hayward is worth turner, mcdermott and mcconell. And I think lamb is worth less than dieng.

It would be close. Might need a pick attached.

Unless you're a title contender, a few months of Hayward isn't worth much.

I dont think Hayward would opt out of that scenario.
He would be on a legit contender and another season to raise his value more for 1 more big contract.

Dipo
Brogdon
Hayward
Sabonis
Dieng

Hell of a team there honestly.

Nice team, but if he's healthy at the end of the year, he's going to opt out and chase his last big contract.

[Darth Celtic]

I totally agree with you...calls are callas and even if Danny doesn’t want another max (he doesnt) Hayward won’t even be traded for roster depth flexibility. Ain’t happening

You dont call if ‘the only way Hayward gets dealt is if he demands a trade’

If you ever want another FA to sign here GH WILL NOT BE TRADED!!!!

GH is very well likes league-wide and chose to leave his first NBA home for Boston and his former coach. He gets hurt in a most heinous manner and then while on the mend, and with no clear and definitive evidence that he will not return to pre-injury form, BOSTON TRADES HIM!!!

Do you ever want another FA to pick Boston ??? GHs move to Boston was like a fairy tale reunion, and if Boston gives someone like that the boot it will give ANYONE the boot!! Signaling the end of FAgency!

I don't understand how you are unable to see this

that crap is overrated. THe lakers did everything wrong and everyone signed there or forced a trade. We traded IT after playing with his injury and sisters death for Kyrie. Kemba signed here. AD used the IT thing to force a trade to the Lakers, nobody in the league really cared about that. As nobody would care if we traded Hayward to any team not in China.

They come for the city (lakers/heat), to play in home town (kyrie) or to play with best friends (kd) or because the organization is top notch and likely to keep winning (boston, etc). Nobody cares about trading a guy 3 years after signing him when he has an opt out in the summer.

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