Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Packers Talking Extension with Aaron Jones

[Kerb Hohl]

While I don't doubt that some guys maybe gave up in the late 3rd quarter or something, I generally hate the "our guys just didn't want it" or "effort" argument.

The Packers literally just gave max effort to beat a good Seattle team. And the Super Bowl was right there. I just hate that **** because fans think that their team must have to want to win the Super Bowl the most. Other teams should not want it as much as my team, which may simply be the 4th or 5th best team in the league instead of the 1st best team.

A fair (but likely futile) argument might be Pettine's lack of change of scheme. But I still think that's futile.

The Packers were the 15th ranked defense via DVOA this year and #23 in rush defense. Let's just roll with that.

Go through San Fran's schedule and there are about 6-7 times the 49ers also ran for 6+ yards per carry. This is not something that is specific to the Packers. They absolutely trucked Carolina, Baltimore, Cleveland, the Packers in the playoffs, the Bengals, and did fairly well against Seattle, the Rams one time, the Vikings, Packers regular season, and more.

Most of the teams that slowed down the SF rushing attack were top DVOA rush defenses. Most still gave up enough to Jimmy G that they lost.

The few times they didn't? Generally, Jimmy G lit it up. He went bonkers against the Saints and in both of the Cardinals games.

Point being, this isn't something that only happened to the Packers and clearly they just didn't feel like trying in the NFC Championship game. The 49ers were capable of it. Pettine should've tried to let Jimmy G beat them, because the handful of games that SF lost or got close to losing were when Jimmy G was "just OK" when forced to throw because the other team stacked the box. Odds are he would've thrown for 300 and we'd have the same result, but we should've tried it.

It wasn't lack of effort.

[ReasonablySober]

PFF ranked the draft classes.

23. Green Bay Packers
Why they're ranked here: The Packers hit on early draft picks in safety Darnell Savage and guard Elgton Jenkins -- both members of PFF's All-Rookie Team -- but that was about it. A subpar debut from their first pick, defensive end Rashan Gary, paired with no contributions from late-round selections puts them in this spot.

How their top pick fared: We were low on Gary (No. 12 overall) coming out of Michigan due to a lack of high-level pass rush production there, and that showed as a rookie. He picked up an overall grade of 55.7 in 253 defensive snaps.

Best value pick: Jenkins (No. 44 overall) was the best rookie guard in football. He was also a top-10 left guard with an overall grade of 69.2 that ranked ninth at the position.

[Kfarm2711]

They probably couldn't afford Henry but could you imagine him and Jones in the backfield?

[mlloyd10]

F/A
Danny Shelton DT
Cory Littleton ILB

Resign
Bryan Bulaga
Mason Crosby

1st rd Draft
Jalen Reagor

[Treebeard]

Key dates for the 2020 spring hooha

https://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2019-20-important-nfl-dates/

Jan. 25 Senior Bowl, Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama.

Jan. 26 NFL Pro Bowl.

An assistant coach, whose team is participating in the Super Bowl, who has previously interviewed for another club’s head coaching job may have a second interview with such club no later than the Sunday preceding the Super Bowl.

FEBRUARY

Feb. 2 Super Bowl LIV, Hard Rock Stadium, South Florida.

Feb. 3 Waiver system begins for 2020.

Feb. 11 Beginning at 12:00 noon, New York time, NFL clubs may begin to sign players whose 2020 CFL contracts have expired. Players under contract to a CFL club for the 2020 season or who have an option for the 2020 season are not eligible to be signed.

Feb. 24-March 2 NFL Scouting Combine, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana.

Feb. 25 First day for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.

MARCH

March 10 Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.

March 16-18 Clubs are permitted to contact, and enter into contract negotiations with, the certified agents of players who will become Unrestricted Free Agents upon the expiration of their 2019 player contracts at 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 18.

March 18 Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must exercise options for 2020 on all players who have option clauses in their 2019 contracts.

Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must submit qualifying offers to their Restricted Free Agents with expiring contracts to retain a Right of First Refusal/Compensation.

Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must submit a minimum salary tender to retain exclusive negotiating rights to their players with expiring 2019 contracts who have fewer than three accrued seasons of free agency credit.

Top 51 Rule begins. All clubs must be under the 2020 Salary Cap prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time.

All 2019 player contracts will expire at 4:00 p.m., New York time.

The 2020 league year and free agency period begin at 4:00 p.m., New York time.

The first day of the 2020 league year will end at 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 18. Clubs will receive a personnel notice that will include all transactions submitted to the league office during the period between 4:00 p.m., New York time, and 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 18.

Trading period for 2020 begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time, after expiration of all 2019 contracts.

March 29-April 1 Annual League Meeting, Palm Beach, Florida.

APRIL

April 6 Clubs that hired a new head coach after the end of the 2019 regular season may begin offseason workout programs.

April 17 Deadline for restricted free agents to sign offer sheets

April 20 Clubs with returning head coaches may begin offseason workout programs.

April 23-25 NFL Draft, Las Vegas, Nevada.

[LittleRooster]

Why is the blame for the defensive ineptitude only on Pet? Isn’t LaFluer his boss? He’s gotta be more proactive if something isn’t working. Pettine ran the scheme, it didn’t work, but LaFluer did nothing that I could see.

I really like the structure of the 49ers front office. Coach is the boss of the GM. The real football guy makes the decisions, not some staff guy. Love it. Shanahan has a lot of power and has done a fantastic job. They’re a very complete team.

Yeah, that’s worked well in Houston

/sarcasm


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[humanrefutation]

For every situation a HC/GM works, you can cite many in which it didn't. It just doesn't make a lot of sense from an organizational perspective to have one guy do both in most cases, IMO, because there is a conflict of interest between short term success and long term viability. Finding that balance requires a person who has ultimate job security, the ability to remain detached from your players (which could affect your ability to coach them), and the time to commit to both jobs. For every Belichick, you've got a Mike Sherman napping at the combine.

The best case scenarios involve a GM and Head Coach who work in concert with one another with a shared vision.

[stillgotgame]

Why is the blame for the defensive ineptitude only on Pet? Isn’t LaFluer his boss? He’s gotta be more proactive if something isn’t working. Pettine ran the scheme, it didn’t work, but LaFluer did nothing that I could see.

I really like the structure of the 49ers front office. Coach is the boss of the GM. The real football guy makes the decisions, not some staff guy. Love it. Shanahan has a lot of power and has done a fantastic job. They’re a very complete team.

Yeah, that’s worked well in Houston

/sarcasm


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Yep, it's got to be the right guy. I'd still rather have a coach making decisions than a Mark Murphy.
Our system looks ok. Gute looks like he's done a good job. Holes to fill this offseason are considerably smaller than they were a year ago.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't think there's a right or wrong structure, just right or wrong people in it. Ultimately all owners have the final say and as rich egotistical people the vast majority are more involved than most people tend to believe. Murphy is the defacto owner for the Pack but actually has the most accountability of all 'owners' because he's the only one in professional sports that can be removed for performance.


Shannahan has been great this year but was also the butt of a lot of 28-3 jokes for the SB and won 10 total games his first two years as HC. He was probably another bad year away from getting fired. Just pointing out you can go from joke to genius and vise versa pretty quickly in this league.

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[MickeyDavis]

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[MickeyDavis]

Bye Martinez

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[driese0824]

They probably couldn't afford Henry but could you imagine him and Jones in the backfield?

Why cant they afford henry if you want a upgrade you need to pay for one

[raysbookclub]

In case there's any doubt about overhauling at ILB...

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[LittleRooster]

Why is the blame for the defensive ineptitude only on Pet? Isn’t LaFluer his boss? He’s gotta be more proactive if something isn’t working. Pettine ran the scheme, it didn’t work, but LaFluer did nothing that I could see.

I really like the structure of the 49ers front office. Coach is the boss of the GM. The real football guy makes the decisions, not some staff guy. Love it. Shanahan has a lot of power and has done a fantastic job. They’re a very complete team.

Yeah, that’s worked well in Houston

/sarcasm


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Yep, it's got to be the right guy. I'd still rather have a coach making decisions than a Mark Murphy.
Our system looks ok. Gute looks like he's done a good job. Holes to fill this offseason are considerably smaller than they were a year ago.

I agree in not wanting Murphy in that role. It should be Gute


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[humanrefutation]

In case there's any doubt about overhauling at ILB...

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Yeah, that's clearly the least talented position on the roster. Blake Martinez, who is the best player there for us, was seemingly always a step slow. He too often got swallowed by guards and centers. He couldn't cover anyone in pass coverage. There's are several reasons why our defense almost always got sliced via intermediary routes to the middle of the field and via the run game, but he's culprit #1, IMO.

PFF out it his way:

Blake Martinez has shown all the qualities necessary to be a superstar linebacker and complete player — he's just never shown all the qualities at the same time. He has earned top-level grades in all facets of the game but hasn’t been able to put them all together in the same season, and this year, in particular, he looked like a liability at times against the run. Martinez doesn’t have the athleticism to make up for plays where he is late to read things developing, and he has missed double-digit tackles in each year of his career.

But what's the solution? PFF's list of the top 100 FAs is light on inside linebackers, the highest ranking having flaws against the run. They do have a lots of intriguing interior linemen, though.

[LikeABosh]

But what's the solution? PFF's list of the top 100 FAs is light on inside linebackers, the highest ranking having flaws against the run. They do have a lots of intriguing interior linemen, though.

Go get Chris Jones lol

Extend Clark and we'll have half the salary cap going towards our front 5

[BJ Sandered]

In case there's any doubt about overhauling at ILB...

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That's a great sign about the front office as compared to before IMO. Because if it was a several years back, I have little doubt that Ted would already have Russ Ball working with Blake's agent on a new deal.

[CWoodfan]

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That's a great sign about the front office as compared to before IMO. Because if it was a several years back, I have little doubt that Ted would already have Russ Ball working with Blake's agent on a new deal.

Well Ted always made sure to sign his own guys and ignore the rest of the NFL talent pool so that is a pretty safe assumption.

And Ted made a previous ILB who wore #50 and who was always slow to the ball and made a lot of tackles well past the line of scrimmage one of the highest-paid ILBs in the NFL so I'd have to agree with you he'd do the same with Blake.

Heck, if Ted were in charge Perry would still be at OLB, Jake Ryan would be running slowly next to Blake at ILB, HaHa would be one of the highest-paid safeties in the league, Josh Jones would still be getting his shot to play safety, and Randall would be getting huge money to play out of position at CB.

Every time Gute has moved on from a Ted guy on D it has worked out for the team.

Wish he'd have moved on from Lowry and he most certainly should not pay Blake Martinez.

[Dandridgefav]

2020 OFF-SEASON - FREE AGENCY & DRAFT

Released: Graham, Bulaga, Martinez, Alison, etc
Starters needed: WR, ILB(2), RT, TE, DL

WR – a plentiful year in this draft. Use 1st or 2nd pick. Hopefully MVS’ second training camp propels his development. He has the speed that Pack say they want with excellent size. Possibly use 3rd round to pick another WR if a quality guy is still there.
FINANCED: NFL 2020 rookie slotted salary

ILB – long de-valued by TT as of lesser importance, the inside position has evolved into one which requires both rock solid run stopping and exceptional coverage skills - If he can blitz that’s gravy. Blake Martinez is not this guy. He is far less than his numbers but he will get offers and we should let him take one. Might have to closely examine some older guys who sill have a year+ left.
Deion Jones, Atlanta Falcons
Shaq Thompson, Carolina Panthers
Joe Schobert, Cleveland Browns
Trevathon 30 Chicago
FINANCED: money carried forward from 2019

RT – Bulaga had one of his best and healthiest seasons. But even with this very rare healthy season the odds of him staying healthy for 2 consecutive years is very doubtful. Try getting a large home-town discount but he will get offers from elsewhere. Let Bulaga walk and use his salary to sign a younger healthy talent. -
Greg Ifedi, 26,
Jack Conklin , 26, Titans
FINANCED: Bulaga salary –(if FA fails resign Velder)

TE – Have heard repeatedly that TE is complicated position so do not expect much from rookies. Keep Lewis IF he takes pay cut. Dump Graham - Put his salary into
Eric Ebron, Indianapolis Colts
Austin Hooper, Atlanta Falcons
Hunter Henry, Los Angeles Chargers
Tyler Eifert 29
FINANCED: Graham salary

DL – Lowry, Lancaster and especially Adams did not get it done - but they may yet get to it. Kingsley might become a rotation guy. Draft interior talent 1st or 2nd and sign 2nd tier FA if a large interior run stuffer is available.
FINANCED: NFL 2020 rookie slotted salary

QB – it is not too soon to get a real prospect if there are any out there via draft in, perhaps, 3rd or 4th round

DRAFT
1ST = WR/DL
2ND = DL/WR
3RD = QB/RB
4th = QB/RB/Edge
5TH = QB/RB/Edge
6th = QB/CB
7TH = CB/Edge

[zmanishere11]

The problem on defense is a shocking lack of overall talent / playmakers given the amount of capital we've invested there.

If you want to try to win next year, you probably have to:

Re-sign Bulaga, Martinez (assuming it's rational, like under 10 mil a year (FYI I DON"T THINK HE"S WORTH THAT BUT ALL WE HAVE IS STREET FREE AGENTS BEHIND HIM), and Crosby.

Need to hit on one or two lower end free agents.

Absolutely have to find a playmaker at WR and MLB.

Hope for a big step forward from Sternberger and these young DE's we've drafted the last few years.