2019-2020 Trade Deadline Thread

Kizz Fastfists · Post #381 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:26 am

Maimi is supposedly refusing to add salary that will prevent them from chasing Giannis. Which is odd if they were ever actually making offers for Russ. I also think Riley thinking he can hold out for Giannis when Butler is already 30 is a mistake. If he hadn't traded for Butler I would view it differently, but Butler has a short window of playing at a high level due to age so they should be trying to maximize their current window not trying to create one by signing a player that every team will be wanting and if the Bucks win a championship I don't see Giannis leaving unless it is something like LAL, with Davis, or LAC if they can somehow fit Kawhi, PG and Giannis together. Outside chance with Dallas depending on what exactly Luka is at that point. Maybe some other team is really good and somehow has the cap space, but I can't think of anyone unless Phoenix takes a huge jump.

Sea2003 · Post #382 » by **Sea2003** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:46 am

ThunderBolt wrote:
Sea2003 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:You’re right in that it probably won’t happen this year but I think it’s a mistake but all contenders. If I were a fan of any of the contenders and my team failed to make a move that could make them significantly better, I would be disgusted. For the last few years, there wasn’t any realistic move any team could make to compete with the warriors. Now that it’s wide open, it’s not the time to be conservative. In my opinion, cp3 makes Utah the favorites in my opinion. Probably would make Miami close to the favorites in the east. Super teams will be back. It’s inevitable.

For starters, I think the only two title-contending teams that can trade for CP3 is either Milluwake and Utah. I don't think CP3 raises both team's ceilings dramatically. Utah's gonna want to extend Gobert and Mitchell soon, so i don't know if they want so much money tied around 3 guys. The bucks would have to trade at least 3 guys to match salary's so i don't see that happening.

Heat and Utah are the two teams I’m primarily referring to. Passing up a chance at a championship because of pending extensions seems foolish to me. What of Gobert walks in free agency? I disagree with the notion that cp3 over Conley doesn’t significantly raise their ceiling. Conley has been terrible.

In the Heat's case, i don't see why they would want CP3. CP3 will opt-in his 2021-2022 making it much harder for Miami to chase quality FA's such as Giannis. In Utah's case if they were to get CP3 i still don't see how they beat the Clips and Bucks. Because of this, i don't think Utah should go all-in for CP3.

Post #383 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:38 am

Sea2003 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
Sea2003 wrote:
For starters, I think the only two title-contending teams that can trade for CP3 is either Milluwake and Utah. I don't think CP3 raises both team's ceilings dramatically. Utah's gonna want to extend Gobert and Mitchell soon, so i don't know if they want so much money tied around 3 guys. The bucks would have to trade at least 3 guys to match salary's so i don't see that happening.

Heat and Utah are the two teams I’m primarily referring to. Passing up a chance at a championship because of pending extensions seems foolish to me. What of Gobert walks in free agency? I disagree with the notion that cp3 over Conley doesn’t significantly raise their ceiling. Conley has been terrible.

In the Heat's case, i don't see why they would want CP3. CP3 will opt-in his 2021-2022 making it much harder for Miami to chase quality FA's such as Giannis. In Utah's case if they were to get CP3 i still don't see how they beat the Clips and Bucks. Because of this, i don't think Utah should go all-in for CP3.

Utah has won something like 18-20. Most of those came without Conley or him coming of the bench and struggling. I personally disagree that cp3 doesn’t make them good enough to win the west. Cp3 fits with any team he plays on. Butler is a nice player but I don’t see Giannis teaming up with a 32 year old jimmy butler. If Milwaukee is as good as you and others thing and they win it all this year, I don’t think he leaves Milwaukee. There have also been several threads by Dallas fans having interest in cp3.

I’m not asserting he will be moved, just that he should. If I were a fan of those teams and my options were to add him or stay with the current roster, I would take the risk. I don’t think the clippers, lakers bucks or anyone else is head and shoulders above the rest.

jambalaya · Post #384 » by **jambalaya** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:47 am

Denzel Valentine? Took awhile but right now I might be interested, assuming the trade price is low and re-sign price is modest. He has improved. 22nd best SG on RPM estimate based on defense. 26 but that isnt ancient and he projects as an interim roleplayer. Him or Burton? I'm taking Valentine.

Sea2003 · Post #385 » by **Sea2003** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:57 am

ThunderBolt wrote:
Sea2003 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:Heat and Utah are the two teams I’m primarily referring to. Passing up a chance at a championship because of pending extensions seems foolish to me. What of Gobert walks in free agency? I disagree with the notion that cp3 over Conley doesn’t significantly raise their ceiling. Conley has been terrible.

In the Heat's case, i don't see why they would want CP3. CP3 will opt-in his 2021-2022 making it much harder for Miami to chase quality FA's such as Giannis. In Utah's case if they were to get CP3 i still don't see how they beat the Clips and Bucks. Because of this, i don't think Utah should go all-in for CP3.

Utah has won something like 18-20. Most of those came without Conley or him coming of the bench and struggling. I personally disagree that cp3 doesn’t make them good enough to win the west. Cp3 fits with any team he plays on. Butler is a nice player but I don’t see Giannis teaming up with a 32 year old jimmy butler. If Milwaukee is as good as you and others thing and they win it all this year, I don’t think he leaves Milwaukee. There have also been several threads by Dallas fans having an interest in cp3.

I’m not asserting he will be moved, just that he should. If I were a fan of those teams and my options were to add him or stay with the current roster, I would take the risk. I don’t think the clippers, lakers bucks or anyone else is head and shoulders above the rest.

Honestly speaking, I'd rather keep CP3. The mentorship that he has brought to this team has helped everyone progress dramatically. From the way guys like Nader and Shai take about him, you can tell he's meant a lot to them. Imagine how much better Shai, Bazley, etc would get better with another two years of CP's guidance. A lot of players don't ever get the chance to pick the brain of one of the greatest PG's to play the game. Now, the only downside to keeping CP is not being able to take on bad contracts for picks. ( Something that Presti seems to wanna do). I don't think this is a big deal as we already vast expense of picks, and adding more doesn't warrant trading it for CP3 mentorship.

Post #386 » by **Dadouv47** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:34 pm

At this point I'm not desperate to trade our assets anymore. The only guy I really want to trade now is Gallo. I love him but I don't like our odds of resigning him or make some sign and trade. But we are playing so well that I won't trade him for less than a late FRP.

Post #387 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:31 pm

Sea2003 wrote:
Honestly speaking, I'd rather keep CP3. The mentorship that he has brought to this team has helped everyone progress dramatically. From the way guys like Nader and Shai take about him, you can tell he's meant a lot to them. Imagine how much better Shai, Bazley, etc would get better with another two years of CP's guidance. A lot of players don't ever get the chance to pick the brain of one of the greatest PG's to play the game. Now, the only downside to keeping CP is not being able to take on bad contracts for picks. ( Something that Presti seems to wanna do). I don't think this is a big deal as we already vast expense of picks, and adding more doesn't warrant trading it for CP3 mentorship.

The thunder do a good job at two things- taking on guys with a bit of a bad reputation and making them content to play here and keeping quiet any drama that’s actually going on. If cp3 being here is indeed the first category, I’m ok if he stays. In the back of my mind I do have some concerns that he could want to leave more than he let’s on. Suppose we move someone like Gallo that he said was one of his favorite players he’s played with, maybe honeymoon wears off. I’m not adamant about trading him. If I were a Utah fan, I would be pretty eager to dump Conley though. By the way, welcome to the boards.

Balkman32 · Post #388 » by **Balkman32** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:34 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:At this point I'm not desperate to trade our assets anymore. The only guy I really want to trade now is Gallo. I love him but I don't like our odds of resigning him or make some sign and trade. But we are playing so well that I won't trade him for less than a late FRP.

If we don’t trade Gallo where is he going to sign?

Teams with cap space (over $20 m) are the following: ATl, MEM, CLE, CHA, NYK, Or PHX?

The only teams I could see him signing with is ATL or PHX. In a S&T he can go to any team that can match the salaries. I think he will be S&T candidate even if he gets traded at the deadline.

My have hopes higher for a return on Gallo. A late first isn’t really something that gets me interested in dealing Gallo, rather keep the team together. I think the Thunder would like picks in 22 & 23, trying to get as many picks in the double draft that they can.

I would be more interested in adding a guy @ the deadline (using Denver’s first) that they can turn around in the off-season for first in a later draft.

Post #389 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:09 pm

I don’t think Gallo gets $20 million a year on his next deal unless he signs a one year deal somewhere.

Post #390 » by **Dadouv47** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:16 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:I don’t think Gallo gets $20 million a year on his next deal unless he signs a one year deal somewhere.

pretty much this. Also don't think Gallo's value is that high on a sign and trade. He's a really good player but 31 years old with so many injuries during his career.

Best case scenario in my opinion would be to trade Gallo and the Denver 1st for an expiring and a ''good'' young prospect. Probably won't happen though.

CROklahoma · Post #391 » by **CROklahoma** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:43 pm

We showed teams that with some time managment, Gallo can remain healthy enough to be a real difference maker. He can single handedly put out a game with his scoring in 4th quarter in playoffs. That much of a difference maker he is.

Teams will no doubt throw stuff at us, with atleast a pick attached to it.

Galloisdaman · Post #392 » by **Galloisdaman** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:03 pm

Teams can sometime buy late first round picks because some of the best teams do not want to have to add a guranteed contract to their cap for a guy that they might have gotten in the 2nd round. I'm not sure OKC is going to be driven by a late 1st round pick. Being in the playoffs means millions for the franchise. They could also sign and trade after the season if needed. I would not rule out Gallo coming back on a 1 year and a option deal. He has never been a guy that chases money. He just wants to be in a place he enjoys.

Post #393 » by **Dadouv47** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:34 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:Teams can sometime buy late first round picks because some of the best teams do not want to have to add a guranteed contract to their cap for a guy that they might have gotten in the 2nd round. I'm not sure OKC is going to be driven by a late 1st round pick. Being in the playoffs means millions for the franchise. They could also sign and trade after the season if needed. I would not rule out Gallo coming back on a 1 year and a option deal. He has never been a guy that chases money. He just wants to be in a place he enjoys.

Gonna be pretty difficult to miss the playoffs. And don't think Gallo would be enough to give us a shot of going to the 2nd round.

Galloisdaman · Post #394 » by **Galloisdaman** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:45 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:Teams can sometime buy late first round picks because some of the best teams do not want to have to add a guranteed contract to their cap for a guy that they might have gotten in the 2nd round. I'm not sure OKC is going to be driven by a late 1st round pick. Being in the playoffs means millions for the franchise. They could also sign and trade after the season if needed. I would not rule out Gallo coming back on a 1 year and a option deal. He has never been a guy that chases money. He just wants to be in a place he enjoys.

Gonna be pretty difficult to miss the playoffs. And don't think Gallo would be enough to give us a shot of going to the 2nd round.

Every extra home game be it in the first or second round means $. I know your posts indicate you want Gallo gone and he just may be traded but I would not assume OKC will just give him away. If they like the direction of the team they may want to see if he will do a 1 year deal with an option. Odds are you are not going to get a Gallo like player with an extra #28, #29, or #30 pick.

Balkman32 · Post #395 » by **Balkman32** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:33 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:I don’t think Gallo gets $20 million a year on his next deal unless he signs a one year deal somewhere.

There will be some money out there. With the way he is playing I think he will be able to hit $20 million on the open market. There wont be a better 4 out on the market that can hit the 3 like he can. Gallo could be a great 3rd of 4th guy on a championship team. Hes someone that can really take the scoring burden off of the top guy if they are having an off night.

Post #396 » by **ThunderBolt** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:35 pm

Royce said he thinks the thunder want to improve the team at the deadline without compromising the future. He said Ferguson is “interesting” as far as evaluation his future with the franchise. He stopped short of saying he would be traded.

spearsy23 · Post #397 » by **spearsy23** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:09 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:Royce said he thinks the thunder want to improve the team at the deadline without compromising the future. He said Ferguson is “interesting” as far as evaluation his future with the franchise. He stopped short of saying he would be traded.

I'm cool with it. I don't know that dort is better, but I'm pretty sure he's not worse

Post #398 » by **ThunderBolt** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:44 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:Royce said he thinks the thunder want to improve the team at the deadline without compromising the future. He said Ferguson is “interesting” as far as evaluation his future with the franchise. He stopped short of saying he would be traded.

I'm cool with it. I don't know that dort is better, but I'm pretty sure he's not worse

He's also available, something Ferguson hasn't been up to this point so far.

thor19 · Post #399 » by **thor19** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:09 am

ThunderBolt wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:Royce said he thinks the thunder want to improve the team at the deadline without compromising the future. He said Ferguson is “interesting” as far as evaluation his future with the franchise. He stopped short of saying he would be traded.

I'm cool with it. I don't know that dort is better, but I'm pretty sure he's not worse

He's also available, something Ferguson hasn't been up to this point so far.

Let say we can make a trade and give Gallo, Ferguson and maybe a pick what can we get?!

Post #400 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:33 am

thor19 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:I'm cool with it. I don't know that dort is better, but I'm pretty sure he's not worse

He's also available, something Ferguson hasn't been up to this point so far.

Let say we can make a trade and give Gallo, Ferguson and maybe a pick what can we get?!

I honestly have no idea.