Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two

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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#541 » by Ambrose » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:58 pm

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I have no idea whatsoever about aircraft navigation, so please excuse my naivite: Can't you use GPS to least know where you are? When I'm caught in the fog with my car and can't see further than a couple of feet ahead of me, I can at least turn to my car's navigational system to know where I'm at.


The GPS here is the radar, but from the audio recordings the air traffic controller told him he was flying too low to be picked up. So once he continued to ascend, lost his bearings, tried to do a U-turn and might have clipped the sides of a mountain because the ground around him was getting higher as well.

At least that's the working theory they have now.


Okay but helicopters can rise almost directly vertical if they want to. Can they not?

If you watch the video and look at the crash site, the helicopter seemed to be traveling almost parallel to the ground. Or maybe at a slight incline (trying to ascend).

But certainly the pilot could have gone more directly upward if he wanted to, no?

That's why I can only think that he was simply ignorant and not aware of the danger and the possibility of their being a hill at that altitude.


Supposedly he rose up, felt uncomfortable, decided to turn back the way they came but didn't realize the terrain surrounding them had risen and that was it.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#542 » by jman3134 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:00 pm

My Tribute to Kobe Bryant

I was extremely, extremely devastated to read the news about Kobe Bryant. To put it fully into context, I was out all yesterday and didn't have time to let my thoughts marinate on the subject. But, here is what Kobe means to me.

As a person who has loved the sport of basketball since I was 4 to 5 years old, Kobe Bryant was an icon (even if he was not on the team I cheered for). He was not the most influential player of my generation. That was MJ. But, comparisons on the court inevitably emerged from their similar styles of play, often times maniacal mental fortitude/work ethics, and championship rings.

But, the real reason Kobe's death hits home for so many of us has nothing to do with his accomplishments on the basketball court. Instead, his death reminds us of the sheer fragility of life. One of the world's toughest men and greatest competitors, who was successful in every project he undertook, passed away too early. (LINK) That Kobe was a beloved family man who loved his wife and daughters has some of us thinking about our families and the importance of such people in our lives. Because Kobe was such a success in all of these areas, we have a tendency to place icons like him on a pedestal, viewing them as almost 'larger than life'. Yesterday was a reminder that, no, Kobe was still very much a human being, as we all are.


In moments like this, we tend to ask ourselves, 'Why did this happen?' It is very human to ask an open ended question for which there can be no direct answer- an outgrowth of mourning. The answer instead is a rejection of the question, because no moment here has ever been guaranteed. As morbid as that may seem, we all will one day suffer the same fate as Kobe Bryant. What we do until that time and how much love we show will be what define us.

So it may be surprising to some that Kobe has inspired me more since his retirement than he ever did on the court. In recent years, I digested article after article about his insatiable desire to take the venture world by storm (these are new, but summarize it: LINK1, LINK2), his children's books and work inspiring children, his work eradicating homelessness in LA, as well as his short film, Dear Basketball. On assisting entrepreneurs, this quote summarizes his mentality: "If you would have asked me 10 year ago, I would say I need to win now. Age tends to give perspective. The most important thing I enjoy now is helping others be successful. I enjoy doing that much much more, that's something that lasts forever, and hope they do that for the next generation." His tireless work ethic (even in "retirement") and perspective are what inspire me. INTERVIEW

So how do we truly pay homage to Kobe? Honor his legacy, which was always important to him. Mourn his death, as well as the death of his daughter, Gigi, (and everyone else in the accident) but also remember those in the Bryant family who are still alive and mourning (his wife Vanessa and two daughters Natalia, Bianka, and Capri). Call attention to the issues that emboldened his efforts (crisis of childhood inactivity, homelessness, and the crisis of self awareness, all of which called him to action). And then, as he implores us in this video, it is important that we move forward, but not on. LINK

"Have a good time. Enjoy life. Life is too short to get bogged down and get discouraged. You have to keep moving, you have to keep going. Put one foot in front of the other, smile, and just keep on rolling. That's what really it's all about." Until then, let's mourn. RIP Kobe, Gigi, and the 7 other victims of the helicopter crash yesterday.


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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#543 » by tondi123 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:07 pm

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News organizations should protect their journalists, not acquiesce to the mob when it comes for them.

The Washington Post not only failed Felicia Sonmez, but set a dangerous precedent.


people are tired of this BS, that was not the time, enough is enough


These people disgust me. I don't know her as a journalist/person nor her work, but I BET she's one of those social activists journalists that like to think she has the moral high ground on a lot of things but in fact her continual seeking of attention and virtue signalling on certain social issues clouds her judgment on even the most basic decency.

Does she deserve losing her job? Absolutely!!
Just because your a journalist does not give u a pass from using common sense, processionalism and basic decency....which she failed to do and as a consequence created a big backlash against her employers.


Shes a typical classless, clueless, SJW. Can't let something like this get in the way of her big #metoo moment. Dangerous precedent my ass.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#544 » by clyde21 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:11 pm

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News organizations should protect their journalists, not acquiesce to the mob when it comes for them.

The Washington Post not only failed Felicia Sonmez, but set a dangerous precedent.


people are tired of this BS, that was not the time, enough is enough


These people disgust me. I don't know her as a journalist/person nor her work, but I BET she's one of those social activists journalists that like to think she has the moral high ground on a lot of things but in fact her continual seeking of attention and virtue signalling on certain social issues clouds her judgment on even the most basic decency.

Does she deserve losing her job? Absolutely!!
Just because your a journalist does not give u a pass from using common sense, processionalism and basic decency....which she failed to do and as a consequence created a big backlash against her employers.


should she be fired? i dunno.

but I guarantee you a turd like her has called for a bunch of people to lose their jobs over nothing a bunch of times.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#546 » by Roy The Natural » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:22 pm

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News organizations should protect their journalists, not acquiesce to the mob when it comes for them.

The Washington Post not only failed Felicia Sonmez, but set a dangerous precedent.


I disagree on just about every account. Protecting your journalists when they are providing journalism? Sure. Protecting journalists when they're proclaiming personal opinions on social media without going through their organizations proofreading and greenlighting process is a completely different animal.

If Felicia Sonmez had written an article and gone through the effort of submitting the article to her employer for proofreading and acceptance THEN there is a responsibility to protect her. Spouting off your personal opinions on twitter isn't in the job description of journalist, so I don't know how The Washington Post could possibly have failed her.

It seems to me that tweeting her opinion on social media is completely outside of the scope of her job. I'm thinking that somehow your notions of what's journalism has been warped.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#547 » by TimRobbins » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:25 pm

Beethoven wrote:
TimRobbins wrote:A guy can have a Billion dollars, but one inexperienced pilot take it all away. Kobe's enormous wealth ended up killing him.



^ pretty dilapidated way of looking/philosophizing the event..

if you tune in/your only focus on life and debate is about how much money someone has, then your arguments do end up a bit twisted and dilapidated i guess.


The manner in which he died was directly related to how much money he had.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#548 » by TimRobbins » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:27 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
TimRobbins wrote:A guy can have a Billion dollars, but one inexperienced pilot take it all away. Kobe's enormous wealth ended up killing him.


Could have just as likely died on a bus or in a car. Travel is not without risk.


I know, but he didn't. He used an expensive means of transportation which allowed him to bypass traffic and that's what killed him. Kobe didn't have control over the Helicopter and the guy that did made the mistake.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#549 » by knicks512 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:30 pm

TimRobbins wrote:
Beethoven wrote:
TimRobbins wrote:A guy can have a Billion dollars, but one inexperienced pilot take it all away. Kobe's enormous wealth ended up killing him.



^ pretty dilapidated way of looking/philosophizing the event..

if you tune in/your only focus on life and debate is about how much money someone has, then your arguments do end up a bit twisted and dilapidated i guess.


The manner in which he died was directly related to how much money he had.


The fact you said that to begin with, and that you're back to defend it says everything about you that needs to be said.

Have some class.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#550 » by John Murdoch » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:32 pm

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Still have Kobe on my heart today man. Also the other great people on this helicopter. Kobe's daughter... barely starting to find her way as a long lady and discover her passions. It's just not fair. I know it's not healthy to do this, but if the damn pilot had just heeded the warnings about the fog, none of this would of happened. Other helicopter services were suspended because of it, including the police. The guy was given authorization after requesting to fly anyway, but why didn't he, a pilot of 20+ years think "hey maybe this isn't a good idea?".


He was authorized from traffic control. When they check back again and say "your too low" i think that was because he had already caught the mountain side with the prepeller
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#551 » by TimRobbins » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:36 pm

knicks512 wrote:The fact you said that to begin with, and that you're back to defend it says everything about you that needs to be said.

Have some class.


Not sure why the statement needs "defense" and not sure what this has to do with "class". It's just an observation. Unlike his basketball career, Kobe put his life in the hands of a pilot that he (probably) knew nothing about his flying skills. It ended up killing him.

Not sure what offends you about this observation, but I guess when you're looking be offended, you can take offense at anything and everything.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#552 » by zshawn10 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:37 pm

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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#554 » by knicks512 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:41 pm

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knicks512 wrote:The fact you said that to begin with, and that you're back to defend it says everything about you that needs to be said.

Have some class.


Not sure why the statement needs "defense" and not sure what this has to do with "class". It's just an observation. Unlike his basketball career, Kobe put his life in the hands of a pilot that he (probably) knew nothing about his flying skills. It ended up killing him.

Not sure what offends you about this observation, but I guess when you're looking be offended, you can take offense at anything and everything.


That you are "not sure what this has to do with class" is exactly the problem bud. The guy died barely 24 hours ago. 99% of the posts on the 2 threads on this board have been positive. The other 1% is littered with idiocy.

Congratulations. You're a 1 percenter now.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#555 » by Ambrose » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:42 pm

TimRobbins wrote:
knicks512 wrote:The fact you said that to begin with, and that you're back to defend it says everything about you that needs to be said.

Have some class.


Not sure why the statement needs "defense" and not sure what this has to do with "class". It's just an observation. Unlike his basketball career, Kobe put his life in the hands of a pilot that he (probably) knew nothing about his flying skills. It ended up killing him.

Not sure what offends you about this observation, but I guess when you're looking be offended, you can take offense at anything and everything.


It was Kobe's private pilot. People said Kobe refused to fly with anyone but him.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#556 » by TimRobbins » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:42 pm

Pantsman wrote:The black box recordings should be very interesting. I think there’s going to be a lot more to this story.


How does it really matter at this point? Everybody's dead and it was almost certainly a pilot error and not a malfunction.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#557 » by goodboy » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:42 pm

Smart move, they can take their time and really pay homage, a beautiful tribute to the great. They would have to rush it very quickly by tomorrow otherwise.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#558 » by CelticsLV » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:44 pm

So basically what I understand it was a huge **** up by the pilot.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#559 » by TimRobbins » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:44 pm

knicks512 wrote:That are "not sure what this has to do with class" is exactly the problem bud. The guy died barely 24 hours ago. 99% of the posts on the 2 threads on this board have been positive. The other 1% is littered with idiocy.

Congratulations. You're a 1 percenter now.


OK. I'm sorry my post wasn't "positive" enough for you. Also sorry I'm an "idiot", but I guess that's beyond my control.

Appreciate your input.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#560 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:46 pm

TimRobbins wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
TimRobbins wrote:A guy can have a Billion dollars, but one inexperienced pilot take it all away. Kobe's enormous wealth ended up killing him.


Could have just as likely died on a bus or in a car. Travel is not without risk.


I know, but he didn't. He used an expensive means of transportation which allowed him to bypass traffic and that's what killed him. Kobe didn't have control over the Helicopter and the guy that did made the mistake.


I mean it could have been a limo like nba players have traveled in for decades. Heck an oil spot on the road going 80 and the car flies into a concrete wall. If anything his means of travel was safer and having a professional driver/pilot is likely better than doing it yourself.

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