Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two

[Slava]

I know this may sound innapropriate and maybe rude considering this huge tragedy, but he should have never gotten on that helicopter under such weather and all the warnings that follow, let alone taking his daughter with him. If you are responsible and intelligent guy like everyone is claiming you to be, you just don't do that. This was not a emergency no choice case. It was a stupid kids basketball game and you just don't risk a life of your daughter over that...

From what's written, the weather was fine when they took off and got progressively worse as they flew. It wasn't helped by the fact that there was a brush fire in the vicinity and the firefighting efforts added to the smoke in the area which reduced visibility. Kobe must have taken dozens of chopper dies in and around LA in similar conditions to get to Staples or elsewhere. Sometimes things converge when its your time and I don't think either Kobe or any of the other parents would have risked their children's safety if they had any idea of the consequences involved.

[Joerezz7]

Ya that two times I've seen you in these Memorial threads it's been to called someone racist.

Where did I justify racism? In fact where did the post you quoted even mention race? The person's post didn't seem hateful, just inappropriate and poorly timed. You're the one trying to make it more.The only person that brought race into it was you.

I've given my feelings and thoughts in these threads regarding Kobe, just like everyone else. If you want to discuss your racially driven agenda that's cool, I don't feel it's appropriate in these threads, just like I find it inappropriate for people to try to bring up Kobe's past mistakes, and his court battles.

But I won't continue this, as it too would be inappropriate. Said my piece.

Because the only people bringing up that false rape stuff is white supremacists. They hate to see that a black man is admired so much so they trying to tear it down. It’s a white supremacist driven agenda. The facts are the facts. This is not the first time they did something like this. Don’t pretend that this isn’t something new.

By the way my comments yesterday was about the MSNBC commentator, not a person on here. Get your facts straight.

Won’t continue this with you. R.I.P Kobe

Man you're struggling today. Your posts have almost universally been awful. Might be time to step away from the computer for a bit. It's been a tough couple of days for basketball fans, but you're so overly combative that maybe it's best for you especially to take some time away from these boards until you're feeling better.

Awful? Because people like you don’t want to hear the truth or it’s too harsh. I watched people on here underrate him and hate on him on here all the time. It’s almost feels phony watching some of the comments on here since he passed away especially from his haters.

Another thing I follow political pages too on Facebook. That’s why I said it was racist when he brought up that false rape case. Only people that have been bringing that up is white people that are racist. For you to sit up here and say my post are awful because I went after a person who made a horrible comment about Kobe makes you look like a bad person yourself. You’re the 2nd person that’s sticking up for a racist.

But yea I admit I am upset and emotional over what happened to Kobe. Seeing that rape comment on here, after seeing it on multiple political pages by white supremacists upset me. Can’t blame a black man for being upset about someone making racist comments about a dead man. You have the nerve to defend the guy and say my posts are awful. Enjoy defending racism about a man who’s not even here with us anymore. You should be going after the guy that made “awful” racist comments about Kobe instead of me

[Danny1616]

Anyone seen a statement from Phil Jackson? The people I was most looking forward to hearing from were Jerry West, Jeannie Buss, Shaq and Phil Jackson. Jeannie is very emotional so I can imagine her being an absolute wreck, the other two have spoken but no word yet from Phil?

It's been one day...

I'm surprised people that close to him were able to speak right away, to be honest.

If a close relative of mine passed away it would probably take me a few days or even weeks to discuss it.

[dlts20]

I actually think that they should have played. I could understand the day he passed or yesterday but now everyone has had a chance to mourn and pay homage. I think tonight would have been the perfect time to celebrate him, say goodbye, and then slowly move on. Imo it's best to hurry up and play so that the guys can move past it. I think that postponing is dragging out the mourning and making it worse on the players.

[durka]

Anyone seen a statement from Phil Jackson? The people I was most looking forward to hearing from were Jerry West, Jeannie Buss, Shaq and Phil Jackson. Jeannie is very emotional so I can imagine her being an absolute wreck, the other two have spoken but no word yet from Phil?

It's been one day...

I'm surprised people that close to him were able to speak right away, to be honest.

If a close relative of mine passed away it would probably take me a few days or even weeks to discuss it.

Phil released a short statement through Howard Beck

[ATRAIN53]

I want to hear more about this supposed flight before the final one.
Saw something that said it was some quick 8 min flight to pick up other passengers first?

If the LAPD was grounded as they say - that makes 2 flights this guy made that day.
What was weather like during that one?

I'm just picturing it this way - weather was bad but everyone was there and ready to go.
It's Kobe freakin Bryant and his trusted chopper pilot. You're probably not thinking safety first, you're like "this is so cool, I'm flying with Kobe'

Who is gonna be a wuss in front of Kobe and be like "'should we fly?"

and if Kobe is getting on there with his daughter......

just awful

[RamonSessions7]

Because the only people bringing up that false rape stuff is white supremacists. They hate to see that a black man is admired so much so they trying to tear it down. It’s a white supremacist driven agenda. The facts are the facts. This is not the first time they did something like this. Don’t pretend that this isn’t something new.

By the way my comments yesterday was about the MSNBC commentator, not a person on here. Get your facts straight.

Won’t continue this with you. R.I.P Kobe

Man you're struggling today. Your posts have almost universally been awful. Might be time to step away from the computer for a bit. It's been a tough couple of days for basketball fans, but you're so overly combative that maybe it's best for you especially to take some time away from these boards until you're feeling better.

Awful? Because people like you don’t want to hear the truth or it’s too harsh. I watched people on here underrate him and hate on him on here all the time. It’s almost feels phony watching some of the comments on here since he passed away especially from his haters.

Another thing I follow political pages too on Facebook. That’s why I said it was racist when he brought up that false rape case. Only people that have been bringing that up is white people that are racist. For you to sit up here and say my post are awful because I went after a person who made a horrible comment about Kobe makes you look like a bad person yourself. You’re the 2nd person that’s sticking up for a racist.

But yea I admit I am upset and emotional over what happened to Kobe. Seeing that rape comment on here, after seeing it on multiple political pages by white supremacists upset me. Can’t blame a black man for being upset about someone making racist comments about a dead man. You have the nerve to defend the guy and say my posts are awful. Enjoy defending racism about a man who’s not even here with us anymore. You should be going after the guy that made “awful” racist comments about Kobe instead of me

Dude. Stop

[BlazersBroncos]

Seeing that rape comment on here, after seeing it on multiple political pages by white supremacist upset me.

This is pretty nuts dude.

Knowing the backstory about Kobe's incident in Colorado is important. I have read it and even if guilty, its a transgression that is absolutely redeemable. In a time when we all talk about criminal justice reform there seems to be such a black and white outlook on sexual crimes. This wasn't the big R. Dude had a consensual encounter and took it too far near the end of said encounter. He may or may not be guilty, but again even if guilty his incident should be seen as redeemable by any reasonable person.

But to say that he was brought down by a cabal of white supremacist is some Alex Jones type nonsense.

The good that he brought into this world FAR outweighed a moment of bad in some Colorado ski resort. Social Media and media in general loves to try and frame life as judging each other on our worse moments because it gets more clicks, rattles up more anger and divides us. Kobe was a good dude, full stop.

[hongdayuan]

This is the first time in my life that i'm really looking forward to lebron talking when lakers have their next game. despite the feuds between their fans, the connection and the mutual respect between lebron and kobe is beautiful. I don't know if i can even bring myself to watch the tribute lakers and lebron give to kobe next time they play in the staples. just the thought of kobe, the man who owned that building for 20+ years, will no longer be there is killing me.

[Pharmcat]

I know this may sound innapropriate and maybe rude considering this huge tragedy, but he should have never gotten on that helicopter under such weather and all the warnings that follow, let alone taking his daughter with him. If you are responsible and intelligent guy like everyone is claiming you to be, you just don't do that. This was not a emergency no choice case. It was a stupid kids basketball game and you just don't risk a life of your daughter over that...

From what's written, the weather was fine when they took off and got progressively worse as they flew. It wasn't helped by the fact that there was a brush fire in the vicinity and the firefighting efforts added to the smoke in the area which reduced visibility. Kobe must have taken dozens of chopper dies in and around LA in similar conditions to get to Staples or elsewhere. Sometimes things converge when its your time and I don't think either Kobe or any of the other parents would have risked their children's safety if they had any idea of the consequences involved.

as a pilot you have to look out for the full flight path, not just where you take off from. If LAPD was not flying their chopper, neither should he have

[EAS Law]

Because the only people bringing up that false rape stuff is white supremacists. They hate to see that a black man is admired so much so they trying to tear it down. It’s a white supremacist driven agenda. The facts are the facts. This is not the first time they did something like this. Don’t pretend that this isn’t something new.

By the way my comments yesterday was about the MSNBC commentator, not a person on here. Get your facts straight.

Won’t continue this with you. R.I.P Kobe

Man you're struggling today. Your posts have almost universally been awful. Might be time to step away from the computer for a bit. It's been a tough couple of days for basketball fans, but you're so overly combative that maybe it's best for you especially to take some time away from these boards until you're feeling better.

Awful? Because people like you don’t want to hear the truth or it’s too harsh. I watched people on here underrate him and hate on him on here all the time. It’s almost feels phony watching some of the comments on here since he passed away especially from his haters.

Another thing I follow political pages too on Facebook. That’s why I said it was racist when he brought up that false rape case. Only people that have been bringing that up is white people that are racist. For you to sit up here and say my post are awful because I went after a person who made a horrible comment about Kobe makes you look like a bad person yourself. You’re the 2nd person that’s sticking up for a racist.

But yea I admit I am upset and emotional over what happened to Kobe. Seeing that rape comment on here, after seeing it on multiple political pages by white supremacists upset me. Can’t blame a black man for being upset about someone making racist comments about a dead man. You have the nerve to defend the guy and say my posts are awful. Enjoy defending racism about a man who’s not even here with us anymore. You should be going after the guy that made “awful” racist comments about Kobe instead of me

Not trying to stoke flames but I feel like I have to chime in.

Brotha it’s not “racists” and “white supremecists” trying to tarnish Kobe’s name. It’s opportunists like those absolute idiot actresses and absolute nobody journalists trying to be noticed because they’re so absolutely wrapped in themselves that they don’t care about Kobe, Gigi or their family. It makes me extremely angry too, but it’s not about racism. The tweets for example from the DAY OF this accident show me that it’s about victimhood olympics and pushing an agenda.

Kobe was never convicted, he never sat trial, the “victim” evidently was satisfied with whatever she received because she voluntarily refused to testify... the same “accusation=guilt” mindset IS the same mentality that caused and causes a lot of harm in society.

It’s not a race thing. Lots of people loved Kobe as we see here and elsewhere. There ARE disgusting opportunists though that see the attention this has gotten and they want to ride that wave somehow. It’s despicable.

Now isn’t the time for us to be at each other when Kobe and Gianna, through their passing and though unintentionally, have brought so many people together to share their memories and heartbreak.

[Spanish_Laker]

Can't wait to get past the funeral and move on. Life continues. We have a championship to try to win this season.

[Curmudgeon]

The girl he allegedly raped was paid off. That's pretty clear. We'll never know what happened. I'm sure Kobe had other human flaws; we all do. That doesn't detract from his skill on the basketball court or the tragic nature of his death. And, great as hew was, he had flaws as a player too. Just ask Shaq.

[Childs]

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[alienswon]

before you all conclude about his past transgressions

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/82de6s/because_of_the_recent_flooding_of_kobes_rape/

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[TheProdigy]

The girl he allegedly raped was paid off. That's pretty clear. We'll never know what happened. I'm sure Kobe had other human flaws; we all do. That doesn't detract from his skill on the basketball court or the tragic nature of his death. And, great as hew was, he had flaws as a player too. Just ask Shaq.

Yes he paid her off but that isn't an admission of guilt. Put yourself in his shoes - if you accumulated the type of wealth that he did in his career, and you were stuck in a "he said she said" trial that could land you in jail if the jury sides with the "victim"... wouldn't you at least consider paying them off in order to prevent a jail sentence? I think a lot of people in that situation would do exactly like Kobe did, even if the probability of jail was only 1%.

[EAS Law]

The girl he allegedly raped was paid off. That's pretty clear. We'll never know what happened. I'm sure Kobe had other human flaws; we all do. That doesn't detract from his skill on the basketball court or the tragic nature of his death. And, great as hew was, he had flaws as a player too. Just ask Shaq.

I’m not attacking you on this, but it’s a perfect example to draw from. There is definitely a presumption that settling something like this with money is an indication of guilt, but consider this...

We know a sexual encounter happened. Kobe admitted this and made peace with Vanessa. Now would you be willing to put your wife/girlfriend/children through weeks or months of testimony recounting that sexual encounter? Plus the media that follows you if you’re Kobe? Would you be willing to discuss every detail of the encounter in front of your friends, family, the world? Over and over?

Or would you make it go away without all of that?

I’m not shaming the “victim” we don’t know as you said. I’m just showing the other side of this. Defendants settle frivolous cases or cases they could win ALL THE TIME because the emotional and financial cost of the process is too great and they’re better off doing so.

Anyway, I don’t want to derail this. That’s the last I’ll say on it.

[thebigbird]

The girl he allegedly raped was paid off. That's pretty clear. We'll never know what happened. I'm sure Kobe had other human flaws; we all do. That doesn't detract from his skill on the basketball court or the tragic nature of his death. And, great as hew was, he had flaws as a player too. Just ask Shaq.

Yes he paid her off but that isn't an admission of guilt. Put yourself in his shoes - if you accumulated the type of wealth that he did in his career, and you were stuck in a "he said she said" trial that could land you in jail if the jury sides with the "victim"... wouldn't you at least consider paying them off in order to prevent a jail sentence? I think a lot of people in that situation would do exactly like Kobe did, even if the probability of jail was only 1%.

Innocent people make out of court settlements all the time. When you're rich it's often a lot easier than going through the judicial process. The headache isn't worth it, and you never know what will happen when you take a case to trial. We've got a lot of innocent people sitting behind bars in this country right now.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

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