Game 46: Phoenix Suns (19-26) @ Memphis Grizzlies (21-24)

[grumpysaddle]

Please, you're letting your emotions get the better of you, it's embarrassing.

I don't support the general quality of the officiating but it's exactly that, general officiating. It doesn't just affect us specifically. It affects virtually every team. Clearly you're a Suns fan and watch games with a Suns bias so OF COURSE you think we're getting screwed. You don't think a Memphis fan is watching the game and thinking they are getting called for absolutely nothing and we're getting to the line almost 10 times more? You don't think a Memphis fan is watching the game is thinking the exact same thing?

Officiating should even out over the course of a season. You get bad calls some games, and other games the calls go your way. You can point to FT numbers, but that just means they fouled the Suns while they were shooting more often. I don't remember the officiating ever being in favor of the Suns, even with homecourt "advantage". You can play the "better than blaming it on refs" card as much as you want, but there's no doubt the Suns get called more tightly than almost every team they play. Officiating has been especially egregious this season (and not only for Suns' games).

Yeah I don't believe that. I've gone through again and again and I don't really wanna re-prosecute the case again so we'll just have to agree to disagree

Agreed to disagree.

[Saberestar]

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[schnakenpopanz]

Oubre makes more game loosing plays than game winning in the last few minutes. Prior to that it is affordable.

[nevetsov]

Going to be a tough one to swallow if this is the game that keeps us out of the playoffs. I think the losses to MEM and SAS this week may be the difference this season.

[bwgood77]

Oubre makes more game loosing plays than game winning in the last few minutes. Prior to that it is affordable.

Yeah, both bad plays in the last minute, but the second to last one he was fouled on, as well as the last one, so the net result should have been ok. But the 5 turnovers were killers. Finally he gets a few assists, probably one of his better assist games ever, but almost doubled in turnovers.

And then you have all his drives that are blocked or ill advised.

However, his best quality, at least in that game, was getting to the line, and that was due to his fearlessness taking it to the rim. So you have to take the bad with the good, but not sure if that type of play is ever sustainable as part of a winning team or at least an integral part of it.

He does help us pull out some close games against bottom tier teams, which has helped, particularly being short handed, so for now, overall it's fine, though it can be frustrating.

[RunDogGun]

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Its so shocking that an obvious foul at the end of a close game goes against the Suns.

But you have to love the Oubre hate again.27/9 3 assists and people are ripping him. Saric goes 0-4 with two rebounds.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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Its so shocking that an obvious foul at the end of a close game goes against the Suns.

But you have to love the Oubre hate again.27/9 3 assists and people are ripping him. Saric goes 0-4 with two rebounds.

Fwiw, Oubre still got lots of Nashty votes despite the 5 turnovers, 0 steals and 0 blocks. I'm not ripping him at all, but comparing him to Saric is, like, why? Who's praising Dario?

[RunDogGun]

He starts the game lethargic. If we're looking for a mentor to Ayton, maybe we should be looking at a guy like Faried. A big that plays with energy.

Ayton's like Rodman, in a sense. He plays the game with the same energy level at the start of the game as he plays at the end. The difference is that Rodman's energy level was 100%, whereas Ayton's seems to be somewhere around 50%.

Kind of funny, but most of the end of last year I kept asking for Rubio and Faried.While Rubio has struggled with his shot, and his cost was more than I wanted, he has been a solid player. I would love to see us pick up Faried.

Ayton seems to find energy every once in a while. But since we have been running basically a two big system (playing only two bigs all game), I don't it matters whether it be the start or the end, he just looks tired.

I'm sure if we thought Faried would help, we'd pick him up, but he's been out of the league, last playing in China. He became an scrub guy in Denver, averaging like under 6 ppg in like 30 games a couple years ago and then bounced around a bit last year, but ultimately cut by Brooklyn and Houston.

I don't understand why people would want Faried, out of the league, having played in China, over Baynes, coveted by contenders, as a mentor for Ayton.

Faried was a 12.9/8.2 guy last year with Houston, and they did not cut him. He played for them in the playoffs. Maybe the problem lies with people not knowing much about him and dismissing him because of his play two to three seasons ago. In the right system (uptempo) he does well, even at an older age. Heck I didn't even mention that he shot 35% from three with Houston. What is Baynes doing when he is on the court, which hasn't been much this year? 11.5/5.8 in about the same minutes. We could trade Baynes for a guard, and just sign Faried outright.

[RunDogGun]

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Its so shocking that an obvious foul at the end of a close game goes against the Suns.

But you have to love the Oubre hate again.27/9 3 assists and people are ripping him. Saric goes 0-4 with two rebounds.

Fwiw, Oubre still got lots of Nashty votes despite the 5 turnovers, 0 steals and 0 blocks. I'm not ripping him at all, but comparing him to Saric is, like, why? Who's praising Dario?

Who said people were praising Dario? I just don't get the hate for Oubre every game lately. I brought up Saric, because he should be on the bench. And why would you bring up Nashty votes since you didn't even give Oubre a nod in that?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Its so shocking that an obvious foul at the end of a close game goes against the Suns.

But you have to love the Oubre hate again.27/9 3 assists and people are ripping him. Saric goes 0-4 with two rebounds.

Fwiw, Oubre still got lots of Nashty votes despite the 5 turnovers, 0 steals and 0 blocks. I'm not ripping him at all, but comparing him to Saric is, like, why? Who's praising Dario?

Who said people were praising Dario? I just don't get the hate for Oubre every game lately. I brought up Saric, because he should be on the bench. And why would you bring up Nashty votes since you didn't even give Oubre a nod in that?

Yeah, this is....
OK, so, you said "people" are ripping him. I rebutted with a statement that "people" are praising him. My particular position would not seem to bear on your statement, particularly since I did not myself rip him. Consistency of terms is basic logic.

I mentioned that no one's praising Dario since you were using Dario as a point of comparison for Oubre. Since the discussion pertained to people's attitudes about players and not the coach's attitude, it seemed that Dario was an inappropriate point of comparison. I'm trying to play with your goalposts, bro.

[RunDogGun]

Fwiw, Oubre still got lots of Nashty votes despite the 5 turnovers, 0 steals and 0 blocks. I'm not ripping him at all, but comparing him to Saric is, like, why? Who's praising Dario?

Who said people were praising Dario? I just don't get the hate for Oubre every game lately. I brought up Saric, because he should be on the bench. And why would you bring up Nashty votes since you didn't even give Oubre a nod in that?

Yeah, this is....
OK, so, you said "people" are ripping him. I rebutted with a statement that "people" are praising him. My particular position would not seem to bear on your statement, particularly since I did not myself rip him. Consistency of terms is basic logic.

I mentioned that no one's praising Dario since you were using Dario as a point of comparison for Oubre. Since the discussion pertained to people's attitudes about players and not the coach's attitude, it seemed that Dario was an inappropriate point of comparison. I'm trying to play with your goalposts, bro.

It is all good, my posts (goal) are pretty firm and consistent. My under lining theme is to move Saric to the bench where he belongs. Looking at the Nashty point, giving Oubre a +1 when he goes for 27/9 from only two people, and you not being one of them, seems rather weak. I think only Kerrsed and Quigs have given praise to Oubre, everyone else just dismisses him. Some even claiming he is our sixth best player, we should trade him, or move him to a bench player because he is only a sixth man at best. The constant pushing him to the bench or calling him a black hole is getting old. He is a solid two way player, and with Ayton playing a bit lazy lately, Oubre is still our second best player. I would hope fans would give him a bit more love. I think Kerrsed's post about Oubre was pretty spot on.

But I didn't call you out in the first place, so have a good day.

[bwgood77]

Kind of funny, but most of the end of last year I kept asking for Rubio and Faried.While Rubio has struggled with his shot, and his cost was more than I wanted, he has been a solid player. I would love to see us pick up Faried.

Ayton seems to find energy every once in a while. But since we have been running basically a two big system (playing only two bigs all game), I don't it matters whether it be the start or the end, he just looks tired.

I'm sure if we thought Faried would help, we'd pick him up, but he's been out of the league, last playing in China. He became an scrub guy in Denver, averaging like under 6 ppg in like 30 games a couple years ago and then bounced around a bit last year, but ultimately cut by Brooklyn and Houston.

I don't understand why people would want Faried, out of the league, having played in China, over Baynes, coveted by contenders, as a mentor for Ayton.

Faried was a 12.9/8.2 guy last year with Houston, and they did not cut him. He played for them in the playoffs. Maybe the problem lies with people not knowing much about him and dismissing him because of his play two to three seasons ago. In the right system (uptempo) he does well, even at an older age. Heck I didn't even mention that he shot 35% from three with Houston. What is Baynes doing when he is on the court, which hasn't been much this year? 11.5/5.8 in about the same minutes. We could trade Baynes for a guard, and just sign Faried outright.

That was in what, 25 games of which he started maybe half? He's not much of a rim protector, defender, passer or shooter. I know he made like 7 3s for them last year, but he's not the type of guy we need, and certainly not if no other team wanted him, even as an end of bench guy so he went to China.

[RunDogGun]

I'm sure if we thought Faried would help, we'd pick him up, but he's been out of the league, last playing in China. He became an scrub guy in Denver, averaging like under 6 ppg in like 30 games a couple years ago and then bounced around a bit last year, but ultimately cut by Brooklyn and Houston.

I don't understand why people would want Faried, out of the league, having played in China, over Baynes, coveted by contenders, as a mentor for Ayton.

Faried was a 12.9/8.2 guy last year with Houston, and they did not cut him. He played for them in the playoffs. Maybe the problem lies with people not knowing much about him and dismissing him because of his play two to three seasons ago. In the right system (uptempo) he does well, even at an older age. Heck I didn't even mention that he shot 35% from three with Houston. What is Baynes doing when he is on the court, which hasn't been much this year? 11.5/5.8 in about the same minutes. We could trade Baynes for a guard, and just sign Faried outright.

That was in what, 25 games of which he started maybe half? He's not much of a rim protector, defender, passer or shooter. I know he made like 7 3s for them last year, but he's not the type of guy we need, and certainly not if no other team wanted him, even as an end of bench guy so he went to China.

Well then you must think Baynes sucks, because Faried is a much better rim protector, 1.1 to Baynes 0.6, steals 0.9 to Baynes 0.2. Faried out rebounds Baynes. Faried choosing to play overseas doesn't negate what he did last year for Houston. He played 25 games because he was picked up in late January. You can't fault him for that, nor can you claim its a small sample size. He would be cheap, and provide rebounding, which we desperately need. We could move Baynes for another piece, he does very little for us sitting on the bench and missing games. If he is providing leadership for Ayton, I am a bit worried since Ayton just hasn't been playing well lately. But if you feel 12.9/8.2 is not the type we need, well that is a bummer. I think he would go nicely next to a few of our players.

[LesGrossman]

Faried was a 12.9/8.2 guy last year with Houston, and they did not cut him. He played for them in the playoffs. Maybe the problem lies with people not knowing much about him and dismissing him because of his play two to three seasons ago. In the right system (uptempo) he does well, even at an older age. Heck I didn't even mention that he shot 35% from three with Houston. What is Baynes doing when he is on the court, which hasn't been much this year? 11.5/5.8 in about the same minutes. We could trade Baynes for a guard, and just sign Faried outright.

That was in what, 25 games of which he started maybe half? He's not much of a rim protector, defender, passer or shooter. I know he made like 7 3s for them last year, but he's not the type of guy we need, and certainly not if no other team wanted him, even as an end of bench guy so he went to China.

Well then you must think Baynes sucks, because Faried is a much better rim protector, 1.1 to Baynes 0.6, steals 0.9 to Baynes 0.2. Faried out rebounds Baynes. Faried choosing to play overseas doesn't negate what he did last year for Houston. He played 25 games because he was picked up in late January. You can't fault him for that, nor can you claim its a small sample size. He would be cheap, and provide rebounding, which we desperately need. We could move Baynes for another piece, he does very little for us sitting on the bench and missing games. If he is providing leadership for Ayton, I am a bit worried since Ayton just hasn't been playing well lately. But if you feel 12.9/8.2 is not the type we need, well that is a bummer. I think he would go nicely next to a few of our players.

The problem isnt faried, its faried in our down tempo system. It just suits a tank like guy like baynes much more.

[bwgood77]

Faried was a 12.9/8.2 guy last year with Houston, and they did not cut him. He played for them in the playoffs. Maybe the problem lies with people not knowing much about him and dismissing him because of his play two to three seasons ago. In the right system (uptempo) he does well, even at an older age. Heck I didn't even mention that he shot 35% from three with Houston. What is Baynes doing when he is on the court, which hasn't been much this year? 11.5/5.8 in about the same minutes. We could trade Baynes for a guard, and just sign Faried outright.

That was in what, 25 games of which he started maybe half? He's not much of a rim protector, defender, passer or shooter. I know he made like 7 3s for them last year, but he's not the type of guy we need, and certainly not if no other team wanted him, even as an end of bench guy so he went to China.

Well then you must think Baynes sucks, because Faried is a much better rim protector, 1.1 to Baynes 0.6, steals 0.9 to Baynes 0.2. Faried out rebounds Baynes. Faried choosing to play overseas doesn't negate what he did last year for Houston. He played 25 games because he was picked up in late January. You can't fault him for that, nor can you claim its a small sample size. He would be cheap, and provide rebounding, which we desperately need. We could move Baynes for another piece, he does very little for us sitting on the bench and missing games. If he is providing leadership for Ayton, I am a bit worried since Ayton just hasn't been playing well lately. But if you feel 12.9/8.2 is not the type we need, well that is a bummer. I think he would go nicely next to a few of our players.

No, last year Baynes averaged 1.5 blocks per 36 and Faried 1.1. Baynes is a much better team player and has 2.5x as many assists, and is a much better 3 pt shooter.

http://bkref.com/tiny/vwxHo

Plus he does a lot of the important things that don't show up in the box score, like setting hard screens, taking charges and communicating/directing the defense on the floor.

Then of course contenders want to sign him when no teams want to sign Faried, since he was in China (they may not even want him now).

[Crives]

What a game. I am going to have to rewatch that third quarter.

Ty Jerome getting back into form is really promising. If Jerome has a few more good games I think we can avoid making moves at the deadline.