Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two

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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#861 » by jbent87 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:10 pm

Rhyno wrote:McGrady's comments on how Kobe used to tell him he 'wanted to die young'...wow. Out of all the interviews, I think that got to me the most--when you hear something like that.


I wouldn't let that get to you too much. That was an 18-19 year old undestructable kid talking. The way we all said stupid things when we were younger and let pride and ego dictate our actions. Kobe grew out of that into a father of 4 daughters. If you think he as a father wanted to do anything close to dying young rather than living forever to spend as much time with them as he could you're crazy. Rachel Nichols did a nice job of correcting T-Mac there which he then agreed with in that 41 year old Kobe would've condemned that mindset and spoke against it, had he been able.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#862 » by Effigy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:19 pm

Brandon_Roy wrote:I cant believe they've only been able to recover 3 of 9 bodies.
What higher being or greater force allowed these young girls to die in such carnage ? smh


You blame cancer on god. This was just poor decision making by humans.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#863 » by Effigy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:23 pm

Now I kind of wish I'd watched ESPN's replay of his last game yesterday. I originally didn't watch it, because I don't consider that a good example of a Kobe game. It's the kind haters latch onto citing his efficiency. But now I realize it would have been good to watch because it was really a tribute game.

I do hope they replay some of his stellar games though. The 81 point game, the game against the Kings when he had 46 in the playoffs in 2001, something like that.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#864 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:26 pm

Effigy wrote:Now I kind of wish I'd watched ESPN's replay of his last game yesterday. I originally didn't watch it, because I don't consider that a good example of a Kobe game. It's the kind haters latch onto citing his efficiency. But now I realize it would have been good to watch because it was really a tribute game.

I do hope they replay some of his stellar games though. The 81 point game, the game against the Kings when he had 46 in the playoffs in 2001, something like that.


It's a tough game to watch, seeing his wife and kids looking so happy, so proud of him.......damn.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#865 » by picc » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:28 pm

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Slava wrote:Anyone seen a statement from Phil Jackson? The people I was most looking forward to hearing from were Jerry West, Jeannie Buss, Shaq and Phil Jackson. Jeannie is very emotional so I can imagine her being an absolute wreck, the other two have spoken but no word yet from Phil?


I don't really get why the first thing for so many people inclunding celebrities is to go online and post something about this. If someone I really cared about died as suddenly as this, I would not really be able to go online and verbalize my pain. I'd just withdraw myself and talk to only very close people.

Giannis deactivated all social media, Kyrie sat out a game. This for me is a much more appropriate response than going on twitter and write "Nooooo God Nooooo" followed by some childish emojis.


I see people on twitter posting memes to show how sad they are. That pisses me off.

You took the time to search for that, and scrolled through countless images to find the perfect one to perfectly show how YOU are doing. **** pieces of ****.

Even exclamation points seem insincere for some reason.

But maybe im taking this too seriously. I dont know.

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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#866 » by lakerz12 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:34 pm

Brandon_Roy wrote:I cant believe they've only been able to recover 3 of 9 bodies.
What higher being or greater force allowed these young girls to die in such carnage ? smh


You can ask the same question about many events, obviously.

Phrases for it are the "the problem of evil", "the problem of suffering" or "problem of pain".

It's been discussed for centuries and there are explanations. It's off topic but you can Google it and find many explanations. It has to do with free will, and as you said the word "allow".

https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/07/25/c-s-lewis-problem-of-pain-free-will/
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#867 » by JayMKE » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:38 pm

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JayMKE wrote:Postponing the game is not appropriate, I think the show always has to go on. Kobe would have wanted to play.


The players are grieving. The whole city is grieving. Staples Center is essentially a memorial right now. I don't think many people in LA would want to watch a Laker game today.


I get it, I'd just would feel that playing would help in the grieving process. Just my view of show business. I want to see Kobe's life celebrated not his tragic death grieved but I know its not about me.

Still makes my heart sink every time I read the headline...
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#868 » by snaquille oatmeal » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:38 pm

I think on a temporary basis for a week or so or maybe till the end of the season the silloutte of the nba logo should be this

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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#869 » by Phystic » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:40 pm

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Baarignani wrote:Are you trolling? So you must think it was wrong for captain Schettino to get a manslaughter charge for accidentally hitting rocks in his cruise ship killing 32 people. Why would it matter if the pilot dies or lives the accident? He's equally at fault either way. The only reason to lay blame is to prevent future accidents like it. Better training and regulations will follow. That's how the airline industry saves lives by placing blame and fixing problem areas.


No, I'm not trolling. Are you?

I don't know the specifics of the case you're talking about. Negligence is not equivalent to a mistake, accident or even a potential medical issue. Unless there was some mechanical issue that has not been found yet, it's pretty clear that the pilot would be at fault in one manner or another, considering he is the one in control of the aircraft.


I'm just not sure what the point of all this is?
Arguing semantics gets no one closer to understanding what happened, nor does it help with the sadness and disbelief over what's been lost.
Which is the actual point of this thread...

There's no 'being right' about this, or any other tragedy... In fact, even if the pilot had been on drugs, lost his license and left his eyeglasses at home when this happened... It wouldn't get anyone any closer to understanding why Kobe and Gigi died that day.

Finding fault is a poor substitute for finding peace.


That's actually my entire point. There's no reason to be placing blame.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#870 » by 0BobLobLaw0 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:42 pm

What are they going to do for the funeral?

There's only 5 games next Thursday, reschedule those so players can go that want to? So many will want to be there.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#871 » by The High Cyde » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:54 pm

Came in to the office this morning, put my stuff down at my desk, and walked into my boss' office. Eventually we talked about Kobe, and damn if both of us didn't try to hold back tears. I was talking about how Kobe brought his daughter to the games, just the 2 of them and just show her so much love and care and just being a great dad, and that's what really impacted him. Told him I watched the dude grow up, he was a son to the city and we saw him become a man and a champion and a loving husband, but above all he was trying to be the best person possible, and the best father possible.

My boss isn't even from this country, but it's that loss of love that was so clear and true and infinite, that it stirs something deep and dark and heavy in you.

My sister who barely watches sports cried, another coworker of mine cried upon hearing, she even has a dog named Kobe, and if you're from here in Cali you know someone with a dog named Kobe man...

Insane loss, unfathomable at its core.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#872 » by clyde21 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:55 pm

this has probably been the toughest celebrity death for me by far, even tougher than Mohammed Ali because it was so sudden and tragic

and i'm not usually affected really by celebrity deaths because perspective, but this one was real rough.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#873 » by PizzaSteve » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:56 pm

RIP to all who died in the crash. Kobe was a great player, a career Laker, and matured into a loving father. it is a shame that the life wisdom he gained upon reflection, post career, was cut so short.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#874 » by wutevahung » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:57 pm

Effigy wrote:Now I kind of wish I'd watched ESPN's replay of his last game yesterday. I originally didn't watch it, because I don't consider that a good example of a Kobe game. It's the kind haters latch onto citing his efficiency. But now I realize it would have been good to watch because it was really a tribute game.

I do hope they replay some of his stellar games though. The 81 point game, the game against the Kings when he had 46 in the playoffs in 2001, something like that.


I didn't like the game when I watched it live that day. I thought it totally misrepresented his career. He was never one to pad the scores, or go 100% on a meaningless game.

However, rewatching it yesterday did give me different perspective. We can say whatever we want about the game, about refs letting go fouls on lakers, about Kobe taking 50 shots, about Utah not doubling him. At the end, Kobe scored like 15 pts in the last 5 minutes, made every huge shots, and got the well deserved win. You could see that he was exhausted. He had no bounce in his steps and could barely move on defense, but he willed the balls into the basket somehow, and he didn't willing them in for himself, since he no longer needed to add anything to his basketball resume, but he did it for his family, for his daughters sitting court side, and for us, the fans.

When the game was getting closer to the end, they had a lot of shots with Vanessa and the daughters. I could not imagined how proud Vanessa was during that moment in time, and even though the daughters were probably too young to appreciate how truly special it was, perhaps they will one day look back that how much blood and sweat their father had put in for 30 years to get to that level. Not the level of skill of putting up 60 pts in 50 shots in the last game, but the level of being beloved by basically millions of people in the world, perhaps billions, because of millions of shots he had taken in the gym, alone. Now one of them don't have that chance anymore.

Ya, it was not the game I thought it were going to be, but now it looked like a perfect ending to that chapter.

It has been 2 days and I could barely think about anything else. I didn't know I could be affected so much by a celebrity death, but as many people, he was my idol, my hero, my escape, and my adolescenthood. Being a lakers fan, and more specifically, a Kobe fan, had impacted my life so much, and now, all the good memories will become bittersweet, knowing my hero cannot continue to inspire us, but it's our jobs now to spread his inspiration to others. Mortality and immorality, somehow, this tragic had turned Kobe's story into both.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#875 » by Philly_3 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:01 pm

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Brandon_Roy wrote:I cant believe they've only been able to recover 3 of 9 bodies.
What higher being or greater force allowed these young girls to die in such carnage ? smh


You can ask the same question about many events, obviously.

Phrases for it are the "the problem of evil", "the problem of suffering" or "problem of pain".

It's been discussed for centuries and there are explanations. It's off topic but you can Google it and find many explanations. It has to do with free will, and as you said the word "allow".

https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/07/25/c-s-lewis-problem-of-pain-free-will/

Big ups for using C.S Lewis. I agree that free will answers this question brilliantly because even natural evil could even be explained through it. The after life in general is another great answer to this objection.

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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#876 » by SilverFlight » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:02 pm

I'm in shock and disbelief just like most people are.

I grew up as a huge Jordan fan, and when you're younger, you look up to these players moreso than when they become the same age (like Kobe) or in the case now, younger than me.

But I still respected Kobe after MJ retired for all that he brought, and have great memories of the first 3-peat with Shaq, as I was still in college at that time and I was playing a lot of hoops. I continued to watch him and basketball to this day well after MJ, so following his career was easy as he was a dominant player.

After his retirement, I really gotten a liking to how he was transitioning to his role as a parent, as well as him doing creative works with books and short films. He seemed so happy and content on the late night talk shows and other places I saw him as well. Now looking back at a lot of his playing clips, he always seemed so happy then too, and despite have an insanely intense focus on the court a lot of the time, he managed to smile a lot.

You think that someone like this is immortal and will live on no matter what happens, but sadly this is not the case.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#877 » by zimpy27 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:11 pm

clyde21 wrote:this has probably been the toughest celebrity death for me by far, even tougher than Mohammed Ali because it was so sudden and tragic

and i'm not usually affected really by celebrity deaths because perspective, but this one was real rough.


It reminds me of Tupac. These guys had an energy and a character that was larger than life.

I don't know if we'll ever get over it completely. Basketball will be a constant reminder of Kobe for fans on here for decades.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two 

Post#878 » by 13th Man » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:13 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:It seems like basketball has been able to hold onto its legends for a long time. Just never expected to be saying farewell to Kobe Bryant before the pioneers of the sport and the old guard. Seems like of the top 25 players ever, almost all of them are still alive, and we just expect to see them slowly pass as they get older...

Like I said before, Kobe is the age of my older cousins that I looked up to, and he was one of the first guys where I felt like as a kid, that another kid was living the dream. It feels like an older cousin, or one of the older kids from your neighborhood that you thought was super cool growing up is suddenly gone.


That's true. Kobe has always had an heir of invincibility that nobody would fathom something like this happening to him. This is the harsh reality of life that we are all vulnerable at any given time. Still, for this to happen to Kobe is unthinkable.

This hits me harder than other celebrity death, the closest that comes to mind would be someone like Bruce Lee who died while still in prime years. I wasn't around then but both of these men had so much to give to everyone still.

I didn't see Kobe like many of the other NBA retirees, he stayed kind of low-profile to focus mostly on his family while quietly helping out young players without all of the fanfare and glory. We didn't see him much on television broadcasts nor even within the Lakers organization.

People that know him said that was very happy and at peace at this stage of his life. This was supposed to be the best time of his life, getting to spend time with his daughters while continuing to make a huge impact on so many youngsters.

Man.....this is just nof fair....of all the people this just isn't right.
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Post#879 » by LLJ » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:13 pm

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Post#880 » by LLJ » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:16 pm

13th Man wrote:family while quietly helping out young players without all of the fanfare and glory. People that know him said that was very happy and at peace at this stage of his life. This was supposed to be the best time of his life, getting to spend time with his daughters while continuing to make a huge impact on so many youngsters.

Man.....this is just nof fair....of all the people this just isn't right.


It's strange that so many people I have known died right after they achieved their peak happiness in life.

Maybe life is all about the struggle after all. Depressing to think about. :(

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