Game 46: Cleveland Cavaliers (12-33) vs. Chicago Bulls (17-30) - 8:00 PM ET

[jbk1234]

I imagine Altman will try to get creative with trade offers, but he may be forced to suck it up and just take the best offer if it's clear that Kevin or Tristan are going to cause issues if they're not traded.

If we can't get even a mildly positive offer, we could explore a buy out; but even the thought of that hurts our bargaining position with other teams.

It's kind of like our other rebuilds ... our dysfunctionality always prevents us from developing players that other teams want, so we have no true assets to trade for pieces we need. I hoped Beilein would change that, but apparently we've prioritized not letting the other sorry teams out tank us this year.

sure but Altman is not under any pressure to trade Love now no matter how disgruntled he may actually be as Love himself has to wake up to the reality he isn't viewed as a major asset with his enormous contract despite all of us knowing full well he worth nearly all of it in a better situation. Unfortunately he is not the type of highly paid player that can feast at his best without someone feeding him, otherwise we could have gotten a haul regardless of the team situation.
I don't think they will get much for TT if it's true he is claiming he wants a unreasonable payday... so I expect he will just leave in FA if nobody offers a first attached to a 21 expiring or a high 2nd and a 2020 expiring. which was possible from DAL before they traded for WCS. now not so sure it will happen.

This is not a stance the Cavs should push too far. The reality is that Love has handled this better than a lot of big men would and there will come a time when you want to sign another F.A. Entering a rebuild is one thing. Letting the young players run the team is another.

[JonFromVA]

I imagine Altman will try to get creative with trade offers, but he may be forced to suck it up and just take the best offer if it's clear that Kevin or Tristan are going to cause issues if they're not traded.

If we can't get even a mildly positive offer, we could explore a buy out; but even the thought of that hurts our bargaining position with other teams.

It's kind of like our other rebuilds ... our dysfunctionality always prevents us from developing players that other teams want, so we have no true assets to trade for pieces we need. I hoped Beilein would change that, but apparently we've prioritized not letting the other sorry teams out tank us this year.

sure but Altman is not under any pressure to trade Love now no matter how disgruntled he may actually be as Love himself has to wake up to the reality he isn't viewed as a major asset with his enormous contract despite all of us knowing full well he worth nearly all of it in a better situation. Unfortunately he is not the type of highly paid player that can feast at his best without someone feeding him, otherwise we could have gotten a haul regardless of the team situation.
I don't think they will get much for TT if it's true he is claiming he wants a unreasonable payday... so I expect he will just leave in FA if nobody offers a first attached to a 21 expiring or a high 2nd and a 2020 expiring. which was possible from DAL before they traded for WCS. now not so sure it will happen.

This is not a stance the Cavs should push too far. The reality is that Love has handled this better than a lot of big men would and there will come a time when you want to sign another F.A. Entering a rebuild is one thing. Letting the young players run the team is another.

Yeah, personally, I'd be happy with suspending & fining Kevin for the next 3 years or until his attitude improved; but the Cavs don't operate that way. One day maybe they'll even get something back from one of the agents they've helped out over the years ...

[jbk1234]

sure but Altman is not under any pressure to trade Love now no matter how disgruntled he may actually be as Love himself has to wake up to the reality he isn't viewed as a major asset with his enormous contract despite all of us knowing full well he worth nearly all of it in a better situation. Unfortunately he is not the type of highly paid player that can feast at his best without someone feeding him, otherwise we could have gotten a haul regardless of the team situation.
I don't think they will get much for TT if it's true he is claiming he wants a unreasonable payday... so I expect he will just leave in FA if nobody offers a first attached to a 21 expiring or a high 2nd and a 2020 expiring. which was possible from DAL before they traded for WCS. now not so sure it will happen.

This is not a stance the Cavs should push too far. The reality is that Love has handled this better than a lot of big men would and there will come a time when you want to sign another F.A. Entering a rebuild is one thing. Letting the young players run the team is another.

Yeah, personally, I'd be happy with suspending & fining Kevin for the next 3 years or until his attitude improved; but the Cavs don't operate that way. One day maybe they'll even get something back from one of the agents they've helped out over the years ...

I don't get how people put this all on Kevin. I really don't. I don't know another player of his caliber who would tolerate what he's been asked to. Again, this is the second rebuild in a row where vets have had serious issues with young guards going YOLO. It was not that long ago where Jarrett Jack was made the primary ball handler because of Kyrie.

[Stillwater]

This is not a stance the Cavs should push too far. The reality is that Love has handled this better than a lot of big men would and there will come a time when you want to sign another F.A. Entering a rebuild is one thing. Letting the young players run the team is another.

Yeah, personally, I'd be happy with suspending & fining Kevin for the next 3 years or until his attitude improved; but the Cavs don't operate that way. One day maybe they'll even get something back from one of the agents they've helped out over the years ...

I don't get how people put this all on Kevin. I really don't. I don't know another player of his caliber who would tolerate what he's been asked to. Again, this is the second rebuild in a row where vets have had serious issues with young guards going YOLO. It was not that long ago where Jarrett Jack was made the primary ball handler because of Kyrie.

Sexton obviously making strides to at least give it up when his shot ain't there of late...5 dimes today

[JonFromVA]

Yeah, personally, I'd be happy with suspending & fining Kevin for the next 3 years or until his attitude improved; but the Cavs don't operate that way. One day maybe they'll even get something back from one of the agents they've helped out over the years ...

I don't get how people put this all on Kevin. I really don't. I don't know another player of his caliber who would tolerate what he's been asked to. Again, this is the second rebuild in a row where vets have had serious issues with young guards going YOLO. It was not that long ago where Jarrett Jack was made the primary ball handler because of Kyrie.

Sexton obviously making strides to at least give it up when his shot ain't there of late...5 dimes today

Kind of a glass half full trend in that he's had the exact same number of turnovers as assists in 3 of his past 4 games, but given his usage I'll take it. He's up to 2.8 apg in January or almost back to rookie levels.

I suspect his improved shooting is helping. The more defensive attention he draws, the more open his teammates are going to get around him; but he's also been playing more minutes.

[JonFromVA]

This is not a stance the Cavs should push too far. The reality is that Love has handled this better than a lot of big men would and there will come a time when you want to sign another F.A. Entering a rebuild is one thing. Letting the young players run the team is another.

Yeah, personally, I'd be happy with suspending & fining Kevin for the next 3 years or until his attitude improved; but the Cavs don't operate that way. One day maybe they'll even get something back from one of the agents they've helped out over the years ...

I don't get how people put this all on Kevin. I really don't. I don't know another player of his caliber who would tolerate what he's been asked to. Again, this is the second rebuild in a row where vets have had serious issues with young guards going YOLO. It was not that long ago where Jarrett Jack was made the primary ball handler because of Kyrie.

Hey, for $30M/year, there's a right way and a wrong way to voice whatever issues you might have with your coach or teammates. First and foremost, don't tell your agent and keep it out of the media.

Of course if Kevin didn't have a history of talking his way off teams, he wouldn't had become a Cavalier in the first place. I thought when he re-signed with the Cavs that he'd matured and would be more patient or at least professional. Guess we'll see ...

[Stillwater]

I don't get how people put this all on Kevin. I really don't. I don't know another player of his caliber who would tolerate what he's been asked to. Again, this is the second rebuild in a row where vets have had serious issues with young guards going YOLO. It was not that long ago where Jarrett Jack was made the primary ball handler because of Kyrie.

Sexton obviously making strides to at least give it up when his shot ain't there of late...5 dimes today

Kind of a glass half full trend in that he's had the exact same number of turnovers as assists in 3 of his past 4 games, but given his usage I'll take it. He's up to 2.8 apg in January or almost back to rookie levels.

I suspect his improved shooting is helping. The more defensive attention he draws, the more open his teammates are going to get around him; but he's also been playing more minutes.

now that his teammates are being instructed by the coaching staff to get in better positions for him to unload to them in the paint when dtd he is starting to take advantage of his speed and the ability to draw the defense to create easy buckets instead of getting blocked a lot of the time. Nice to see the changes because if your teammates are not cutting or in a place for that to happen like most of this season it makes people think he cant pass.

[JonFromVA]

Sexton obviously making strides to at least give it up when his shot ain't there of late...5 dimes today

Kind of a glass half full trend in that he's had the exact same number of turnovers as assists in 3 of his past 4 games, but given his usage I'll take it. He's up to 2.8 apg in January or almost back to rookie levels.

I suspect his improved shooting is helping. The more defensive attention he draws, the more open his teammates are going to get around him; but he's also been playing more minutes.

now that his teammates are being instructed by the coaching staff to get in better positions for him to unload to them in the paint when dtd he is starting to take advantage of his speed and the ability to draw the defense to create easy buckets instead of getting blocked a lot of the time. Nice to see the changes because if your teammates are not cutting or in a place for that to happen like most of this season it makes people think he cant pass.

I noticed one play where Sexton was looking to dish to Exum in the corner, but Exum saw his man running at him and pointed Collin to the cutter (McKinnie I think?) and Collin made the right pass for a nifty layup.

So, yeah, there was a lot going on on that play that helped it work out and not become a turnover.

Reps, experience, chemistry, and smart teammates all help.

Someone recently said half the battle/benefit of adopting a system is learning where your teammates are going to be. It's easy and dumb to just plant them in spots and tell them not to move, but knowing where they're supposed to be when they're in constant motion while you're in motion takes a lot of reps.