Kobe Bryant Discussion, Part Two

[Castle Black]

The more info that comes out, the more you realize just how avoidable this all could’ve and should’ve been. This is terrible. Kobe should still be alive right now. Same goes for everyone else on that chopper. Beyond tragic.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

Shaq talking about Kobe on TNT brought me to tears.

Man this is really hard to digest. I can't believe Kobe is gone.

[zimpy27]

Does anyone have any thought to the Pilot's family? They are trying to mourn him while people are out here trying to put blood on his hands without the investigation finished.

[Castle Black]

Damn.

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[picc]

Shaq on TNT was great.

[azcatz11]

I want to share this video by Tony Reali - whose show I really hate - but I saw this posted earlier. Not as appropriate in this thread since it's a grief thread and 99% of the posts are what we are all thinking but I don't really want to post this in the other GB threads which unfortunately have denigrated to people seeking attention

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[Pharmcat]

Does anyone have any thought to the Pilot's family? They are trying to mourn him while people are out here trying to put blood on his hands without the investigation finished.

Of course we all feel bad for all the victims and their families ...but at the same time , the pilot is responsible for the flight and taking off when lapd, sheriff , and news media choppers were grounded turned out to be a disastrous decision .

[atlantabbq99]

Does anyone have any thought to the Pilot's family? They are trying to mourn him while people are out here trying to put blood on his hands without the investigation finished.

Of course we all feel bad for all the victims and their families ...but at the same time , the pilot is responsible for the flight and taking off when lapd, sheriff , and news media choppers were grounded turned out to be a disastrous decision .

Would the story change if we found out that one of the passengers demanded that the pilot make a special request to fly under low visibility and bad weather to authorities because that passenger had to make an appointment?

I use to work in Delta in the 90s and I know how crazy some passengers can get.

[BeatDaCavs420]

“Call him caramel cat” -Reggie Miller

Why in the world did they have him on there!?

[zimpy27]

Does anyone have any thought to the Pilot's family? They are trying to mourn him while people are out here trying to put blood on his hands without the investigation finished.

Of course we all feel bad for all the victims and their families ...but at the same time , the pilot is responsible for the flight and taking off when lapd, sheriff , and news media choppers were grounded turned out to be a disastrous decision .

He is but he's also an employee. Kobe probably spent as much time in the air as this guy and he trusted him. I'd just leave it at that.

[John Murdoch]

Is the vertigo theory legit? Its hard to see it as just bad weather . Also this is prob a stupid question but are their no co - pilots on a hellicoptor when carrying multiple people?

[alienswon]

Does anyone have any thought to the Pilot's family? They are trying to mourn him while people are out here trying to put blood on his hands without the investigation finished.

Of course we all feel bad for all the victims and their families ...but at the same time , the pilot is responsible for the flight and taking off when lapd, sheriff , and news media choppers were grounded turned out to be a disastrous decision .

i left out some snippets because i couldnt understand/hear it

i went back to hear it

Question RE: the grounding of Sheriff's helicopters;
NTSB Investigator: "it is an apples to oranges comparison; it's a different helicopter; different operations (4 person helicopters). This [Kobe's copter] is outfitted for more than that. So we have to look at this specific crash."

(my interpretation: "were not going to be baited into saying this or that" their aim is to be as objective as possible.)

Question: How common it is for a pilot to request to fly under special visual flight rules?
NTSB Investigator: "it is very common. This is not out of the ordinary"


more on that Terrain Awareness Warning System (TAWS)
-reporters tried to bait if this would have prevented the accident; she says there are other variables that are still unknown
-again these investigators are trained to avoid concluding on speculation


This is a NO-brainer: Any type of visual-aid of real-time terrain would have given this guy ample space [my opinion]

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Celtics coaching staff all rocking Kobes tonight.

[atlantabbq99]

At the end of the day, the pilot is the one to blame because that his is job and his responsibility, but I use to work in a private airport and I can tell you that the vast majority of pilots are okay with being grounded and will never insist in flying in bad weather. Vast majority of pilots are lazy and do not want to take on the extra work and stress in flying in bad weather.

What most likely happen is this... The pilot got the bad weather call and was informed he would be grounded, the pilot then informed his passengers of the grounding. A passenger probably got upset and asked or demanded the pilot fly in the bad weather because passengers have to stay on there schedule. There could have been an argument or education from the pilot, but in any regards, the pilot agreed to ask for special permission form authorities to fly in bad weather. This type of exchange happens all the time in private airports.

With that said, life is not black and white but grey and I can't feel any ill will toward the pilot.

[atlantabbq99]

Does anyone have any thought to the Pilot's family? They are trying to mourn him while people are out here trying to put blood on his hands without the investigation finished.

Of course we all feel bad for all the victims and their families ...but at the same time , the pilot is responsible for the flight and taking off when lapd, sheriff , and news media choppers were grounded turned out to be a disastrous decision .

i left out some snippets because i couldnt understand/hear it

i went back to hear it

Question RE: the grounding of Sheriff's helicopters;
NTSB Investigator: "it is an apples to oranges comparison; it's a different helicopter; different operations (4 person helicopters). This [Kobe's copter] is outfitted for more than that. So we have to look at this specific crash." (my interpretation: "were not going to be baited into saying this or that" their aim is to be as objective as possible.

Question: How common it is for a pilot to request to fly under special visual flight rules?
NTSB Investigator: "it is very common. This is not out of the ordinary"


more on that Terrain Awareness Warning System (TAWS)
-reporters tried to bait if this would have prevented the accident; she says there are other variables that are still unknown
-again these investigators are trained to avoid concluding on speculation

At the end of the day, the pilot is the one to blame because that his is job and his responsibility, but I use to work in a private airport and I can tell you that the vast majority of pilots are okay with being grounded and will never insist in flying in bad weather. Vast majority of pilots are lazy and do not want to take on the extra work and stress in flying in bad weather.

What most likely happen is this... The pilot got the bad weather call and was informed he would be grounded, the pilot then informed his passengers of the grounding. A passenger probably got upset and asked or demanded the pilot fly in the bad weather because passengers have to stay on there schedule. There could have been an argument or education from the pilot, but in any regards, the pilot agreed to ask for special permission form authorities to fly in bad weather. This type of exchange happens all the time in private airports.

With that said, life is not black and white but grey and I can't feel any ill will toward the pilot.

[Pennebaker]

Of course we all feel bad for all the victims and their families ...but at the same time , the pilot is responsible for the flight and taking off when lapd, sheriff , and news media choppers were grounded turned out to be a disastrous decision .

i left out some snippets because i couldnt understand/hear it

i went back to hear it

Question RE: the grounding of Sheriff's helicopters;
NTSB Investigator: "it is an apples to oranges comparison; it's a different helicopter; different operations (4 person helicopters). This [Kobe's copter] is outfitted for more than that. So we have to look at this specific crash." (my interpretation: "were not going to be baited into saying this or that" their aim is to be as objective as possible.

Question: How common it is for a pilot to request to fly under special visual flight rules?
NTSB Investigator: "it is very common. This is not out of the ordinary"


more on that Terrain Awareness Warning System (TAWS)
-reporters tried to bait if this would have prevented the accident; she says there are other variables that are still unknown
-again these investigators are trained to avoid concluding on speculation

At the end of the day, the pilot is the one to blame because that his is job and his responsibility, but I use to work in a private airport and I can tell you that the vast majority of pilots are okay with being grounded and will never insist in flying in bad weather. Vast majority of pilots are lazy and do not want to take on the extra work and stress in flying in bad weather.

What most likely happen is this... The pilot got the bad weather call and was informed he would be grounded, the pilot then informed his passengers of the grounding. A passenger probably got upset and asked or demanded the pilot fly in the bad weather because passengers have to stay on there schedule. There could have been an argument or education from the pilot, but in any regards, the pilot agreed to ask for special permission form authorities to fly in bad weather. This type of exchange happens all the time in private airports.

With that said, life is not black and white but grey and I can't feel any ill will toward the pilot.

You sound like the airline industry.

Very quick to blame the human.

It could very well be a mechanical issue. Witnesses reported hearing unusual sputtering from the helicopter before it crashed.

At this point we do not know who or what caused the crash.

[atlantabbq99]

i left out some snippets because i couldnt understand/hear it

i went back to hear it

Question RE: the grounding of Sheriff's helicopters;
NTSB Investigator: "it is an apples to oranges comparison; it's a different helicopter; different operations (4 person helicopters). This [Kobe's copter] is outfitted for more than that. So we have to look at this specific crash." (my interpretation: "were not going to be baited into saying this or that" their aim is to be as objective as possible.

Question: How common it is for a pilot to request to fly under special visual flight rules?
NTSB Investigator: "it is very common. This is not out of the ordinary"


more on that Terrain Awareness Warning System (TAWS)
-reporters tried to bait if this would have prevented the accident; she says there are other variables that are still unknown
-again these investigators are trained to avoid concluding on speculation

At the end of the day, the pilot is the one to blame because that his is job and his responsibility, but I use to work in a private airport and I can tell you that the vast majority of pilots are okay with being grounded and will never insist in flying in bad weather. Vast majority of pilots are lazy and do not want to take on the extra work and stress in flying in bad weather.

What most likely happen is this... The pilot got the bad weather call and was informed he would be grounded, the pilot then informed his passengers of the grounding. A passenger probably got upset and asked or demanded the pilot fly in the bad weather because passengers have to stay on there schedule. There could have been an argument or education from the pilot, but in any regards, the pilot agreed to ask for special permission form authorities to fly in bad weather. This type of exchange happens all the time in private airports.

With that said, life is not black and white but grey and I can't feel any ill will toward the pilot.

You sound like the airline industry.

Very quick to blame the human.

It could very well be a mechanical issue. Witnesses reported hearing unusual sputtering from the helicopter before it crashed.

At this point we do not know who or what caused the crash.

Yes, I have worked at an airport before for several years in the past and I can tell you, I have seen all sides of the coin, indifferent airlines, over confident pilots, and irate obnoxious demanding passengers.

[azcatz11]

Of course we all feel bad for all the victims and their families ...but at the same time , the pilot is responsible for the flight and taking off when lapd, sheriff , and news media choppers were grounded turned out to be a disastrous decision .

i left out some snippets because i couldnt understand/hear it

i went back to hear it

Question RE: the grounding of Sheriff's helicopters;
NTSB Investigator: "it is an apples to oranges comparison; it's a different helicopter; different operations (4 person helicopters). This [Kobe's copter] is outfitted for more than that. So we have to look at this specific crash." (my interpretation: "were not going to be baited into saying this or that" their aim is to be as objective as possible.

Question: How common it is for a pilot to request to fly under special visual flight rules?
NTSB Investigator: "it is very common. This is not out of the ordinary"


more on that Terrain Awareness Warning System (TAWS)
-reporters tried to bait if this would have prevented the accident; she says there are other variables that are still unknown
-again these investigators are trained to avoid concluding on speculation

At the end of the day, the pilot is the one to blame because that his is job and his responsibility, but I use to work in a private airport and I can tell you that the vast majority of pilots are okay with being grounded and will never insist in flying in bad weather. Vast majority of pilots are lazy and do not want to take on the extra work and stress in flying in bad weather.

What most likely happen is this... The pilot got the bad weather call and was informed he would be grounded, the pilot then informed his passengers of the grounding. A passenger probably got upset and asked or demanded the pilot fly in the bad weather because passengers have to stay on there schedule. There could have been an argument or education from the pilot, but in any regards, the pilot agreed to ask for special permission form authorities to fly in bad weather. This type of exchange happens all the time in private airports.

With that said, life is not black and white but grey and I can't feel any ill will toward the pilot.

I appreciate your insight but I think you need to restrain from saying 'most likely scenario.' Just a thought man, I have no doubt you worked at an airport but it's kind of crazy to suggest any theories at this point

[And1+2]

Does anyone have any thought to the Pilot's family? They are trying to mourn him while people are out here trying to put blood on his hands without the investigation finished.

Of course we all feel bad for all the victims and their families ...but at the same time , the pilot is responsible for the flight and taking off when lapd, sheriff , and news media choppers were grounded turned out to be a disastrous decision .

He is but he's also an employee. Kobe probably spent as much time in the air as this guy and he trusted him. I'd just leave it at that.

Mistakes happen. Even catastrophic mistakes. Anyone who believes it isn't possible for a mistake of any consequence to happen is either very niave or is very full of themselves. Unfortunately, we have a lot of people like that in the world.

We don't know the entire story. Probably never will. Not worth trying to judge on speculation, even though it's human nature to seek an explanation.

[picc]

How about that story Wade told of Kobe calling during the 2010 finals to ask advice on how to deal with Boston's pick and roll defense.

Wow.