2020 NBA Draft

[Feel_the_Heat15]

i don't think you're in a position to say anyone else doesn't understand a stat after your performance here the last page and a half.

Says the person who's using 3PA as a barometer of a player's ability to shoot from 3. The same person who thinks that 36% from 3-point range in college will strongly translate to the NBA. Do you know how ridiculous you're sounding? No one actually agrees with you on this stuff, notice how no ones even talked about Tre's 3-point shooting strongly translating to the NBA .

uhh yes, shooting % and volume % is usually a pretty decent barometer for shooting prowess and a decent gauge for improvement. this is pretty standard stuff.

are you done polluting this thread like you do every single thread you're in?

Compared to other information that's available to you, it isn't. Any respected scout will tell you that just looking at college shooting numbers isn't enough to determine whether or not a player will be a good shooter in the NBA. I don't understand why you're so unwilling to learn. If you have to call everything I tell you "irrelevant", that's usually a sign that you're wrong.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

i don't care. that was never the topic in the first place. the entire point was to highlight Tre's shooting has improved dramatically from last year. that's it. period. whether you think he's a good enough floor spacer at this point or not is completely irrelevant.

Everything is irrelevant to you when you can't come up with a good answer. Now spacing is irrelevant. We're talking about Tre's ability to hit 3s which is important for stretching the floor but spacing is now irrelevant. If spacing is irrelevant then Tre's 3-point shooting is irrelevant.

lol, time for you to go on ignore.

Well, that's irrelevant to the topic. 5+ posts later and you still wouldn't answer my questions.

[CP War Hawks]

Thoughts on this kid?

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Mentioned him like a week ago. Reminds me of Bam Adebayo, wouldn't be shocked if the Heat drafted him.

He reminds me of a younger Favors w/o the top end talent. Should be a nice get in the early 2nd.

[LSandersBong]

I think a much improving 3 point shot in college more attempts, better percent e.t.c has a much better chance of his shot translating to NBA. I can't be bothered digging through examples Leonards a good one though but a skill someone is working hard on to improve surely has a good chance to translate.

With that 3 point rate stat lol I would understand the point that was being made if his usage rate skyrocketed and his 3 point rate decreased exponentially like by 10-15% but a 2 percent decrease is miniscule and does not effect anything in the slightest . If anything it could be a sign of stronger shot selection could be the difference of taking one less 3 point shot with a defender in his face.

That being said I don't love Tre as a prospect I just don't see how he projects to have a better role then Tyus Jones both are very similar players. A great bench point guard and someone who can be a spot starter , I'd only pick Tre in the 20-40 range

[Waynearchetype]

Finally starting to pay attention to this years draft, why is Precious rated so low? Also is he he going to be an SF or PF?

[Marcus]

Finally starting to pay attention to this years draft, why is Precious rated so low? Also is he he going to be an SF or PF?

He's picking up steam but he's insanely raw at the moment. There's a lot to like but not sure his ceiling is worth a high pick and the time necessary to put into a Morris twin level prospect. He'll be that kind of tweener in the league.

[clyde21]

Finally starting to pay attention to this years draft, why is Precious rated so low? Also is he he going to be an SF or PF?

he's been a lot better recently, started off the year terribly and he's on the older side, but I think he's probably a legit top20 guy just because he's a strong combo-forward athlete that can defend multiple positions, run the floor and hit 3s.

[Duke4life831]

You seem to be confusing play style vs 3pt ability. What myself and others are arguing is Tre has improved his 3pt shot (his ability to make the shot).

What did I say that misled you to believe that I was confusing play-style with the ability to make 3s? You and others weren't solely discussing Tre's ability to make 3s, we were also discussing the importance of 3-point attempts and 3-point attempt rate.

Him attempting more 3s and making them at a 10% better clip is a great sign of him improving his 3pt shot.

Except an increase in 3PA by itself isn't a strong indication that a player has become more perimeter oriented. You're refusing answer to my questions and ignoring some of my other statements.

Yet somehow you're saying he hasn't improved his 3pt shot because his 3pt rate went from 32% to 30%, even though he attempts 1 more per game and shoots it 10% better.

Never said he didn't improve as a 3-point shooter.

So in half the games he's almost made as many 3s as he did last year while taking almost 40 less shots to get there. How has he not improved from the 3pt line? I feel like you're arguing just to argue.

Hard to argue with someone who doesn't even try to your refute points and tries to put words in your mouth.

Im not going to lie, I have no freaking clue what you're going on about. Here was the original statement from Clyde on Tre,

"Tre went from shooting 26% on 2.9 attempts from 3 last year to 36% on 3.8 attempts this year, that's a monstrous improvement".

No where did Clyde say Tre is a more perimeter oriented guard, nowhere did I say he was a more perimeter oriented guard. For someone who is claiming people are trying to put words in his mouth, you seem to be doing just that. Clyde's entire point was, Tre has become a better 3pt shooter this year, that was it. That is also something that you yourself just admitted. I have no clue what question you're saying Im refusing to answer. Again you seem to just be looking to argue for the sake of it, because the one thing that started all of this was Clyde saying he has improved as a 3pt shooter and you yourself agree with it.

[Waynearchetype]

Finally starting to pay attention to this years draft, why is Precious rated so low? Also is he he going to be an SF or PF?

He's picking up steam but he's insanely raw at the moment. There's a lot to like but not sure his ceiling is worth a high pick and the time necessary to put into a Morris twin level prospect. He'll be that kind of tweener in the league.

What brings on the Morris comparisons? I haven't gotten to watch a lot (which is probably why i don't see it), but from a stats perspective he is doing much more on the floor as a freshman than junior year of morris twins when they got drafted. His Wingspan is 7" larger than the Morris twins as well, which is definitely a big jump (they got bayless t-rex syndrome arms lol).

Again, arriving late to the show so I'm mostly just curious on peoples thoughts.

[Marcus]

Finally starting to pay attention to this years draft, why is Precious rated so low? Also is he he going to be an SF or PF?

He's picking up steam but he's insanely raw at the moment. There's a lot to like but not sure his ceiling is worth a high pick and the time necessary to put into a Morris twin level prospect. He'll be that kind of tweener in the league.

What brings on the Morris comparisons? I haven't gotten to watch a lot (which is probably why i don't see it), but from a stats perspective he is doing much more on the floor as a freshman than junior year of morris twins when they got drafted. His Wingspan is 7" larger than the Morris twins as well, which is definitely a big jump (they got bayless t-rex syndrome arms lol).

Again, arriving late to the show so I'm mostly just curious on peoples thoughts.

his style of game, tweener forward, more of a jump shooter than a post threat, likes to ISO on the floor a bit. Precious has potential to be much more due to his better physical gifts. But i think he lands somewhere in that level and player type based on the things he does and likes to do that can/should translate next level.

[MemphisX]

Finally starting to pay attention to this years draft, why is Precious rated so low? Also is he he going to be an SF or PF?

IMO he is a 5.

[clyde21]

Precious is Jerami Grant essentially

[Feel_the_Heat15]

You seem to be confusing play style vs 3pt ability. What myself and others are arguing is Tre has improved his 3pt shot (his ability to make the shot).

What did I say that misled you to believe that I was confusing play-style with the ability to make 3s? You and others weren't solely discussing Tre's ability to make 3s, we were also discussing the importance of 3-point attempts and 3-point attempt rate.

Him attempting more 3s and making them at a 10% better clip is a great sign of him improving his 3pt shot.

Except an increase in 3PA by itself isn't a strong indication that a player has become more perimeter oriented. You're refusing answer to my questions and ignoring some of my other statements.

Yet somehow you're saying he hasn't improved his 3pt shot because his 3pt rate went from 32% to 30%, even though he attempts 1 more per game and shoots it 10% better.

Never said he didn't improve as a 3-point shooter.

So in half the games he's almost made as many 3s as he did last year while taking almost 40 less shots to get there. How has he not improved from the 3pt line? I feel like you're arguing just to argue.

Hard to argue with someone who doesn't even try to your refute points and tries to put words in your mouth.

Im not going to lie, I have no freaking clue what you're going on about. Here was the original statement from Clyde on Tre,

"Tre went from shooting 26% on 2.9 attempts from 3 last year to 36% on 3.8 attempts this year, that's a monstrous improvement".

No where did Clyde say Tre is a more perimeter oriented guard, nowhere did I say he was a more perimeter oriented guard. For someone who is claiming people are trying to put words in his mouth, you seem to be doing just that. Clyde's entire point was, Tre has become a better 3pt shooter this year, that was it. That is also something that you yourself just admitted. I have no clue what question you're saying Im refusing to answer. Again you seem to just be looking to argue for the sake of it, because the one thing that started all of this was Clyde saying he has improved as a 3pt shooter and you yourself agree with it.

If you're using 3PA to argue that a player is a better shooter from 3 you're inherently saying that he's more perimeter oriented...otherwise, why else would you mention 3PA numbers when arguing why a player is a better 3-point shooter than he was a season before?

You definitely talked about how perimeter oriented Tre is. You're either trying to deceive me or forgetting what you said.

Yeah I admitted that Tre is a better 3-point shooter but that wasn't even what we're arguing about.

How can I have a decent discussion with you when you never apologize for being factually wrong or constantly refuse to answer my questions? That's just proof right there that no matter how right I am you will never humble yourself and admit that I'm right.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

I think a much improving 3 point shot in college more attempts, better percent e.t.c has a much better chance of his shot translating to NBA. I can't be bothered digging through examples Leonards a good one though but a skill someone is working hard on to improve surely has a good chance to translate.

With that 3 point rate stat lol I would understand the point that was being made if his usage rate skyrocketed and his 3 point rate decreased exponentially like by 10-15% but a 2 percent decrease is miniscule and does not effect anything in the slightest . If anything it could be a sign of stronger shot selection could be the difference of taking one less 3 point shot with a defender in his face.

That being said I don't love Tre as a prospect I just don't see how he projects to have a better role then Tyus Jones both are very similar players. A great bench point guard and someone who can be a spot starter , I'd only pick Tre in the 20-40 range

It's not like I said "Tre Jones is a much worse 3-point shooter because his 3-point rate is lower this season" so you didn't respond to anything I said.

[Waynearchetype]

Precious is Jerami Grant essentially

Thats a spicy take.

[clyde21]

Precious is Jerami Grant essentially

Thats a spicy take.

how so

[EvanZ]

Finally starting to pay attention to this years draft, why is Precious rated so low? Also is he he going to be an SF or PF?

I would be quite a bit higher on him if I thought he had a chance of shooting. It's hard for me to buy a guy shooting 57% on free throws. Having said that anywhere late lottery and beyond I could see him going in this draft.

[Duke4life831]

Precious is Jerami Grant essentially

Thats a spicy take.

Dont think its that crazy of a take. Super raw athletic forwards. Grant to me is the better athlete but Precious is going to be a lot stronger than Grant. But I dont really see Precious having all that different of a role in the NBA than Grant does. Precious on ball skills are non transferable to the NBA, no team is going to be wanting him to try and create his own shot. He also isn't a good shooter either. Maybe you can hope for a Montrez Harrell kind of player, but I think the Grant take is pretty accurate.

[Ruzious]

Precious is Jerami Grant essentially

Good comp - though I think Precious is a little taller and broader, and the little extra will help make him a better rebounder and defender in the NBA. I'm a fan - he can be one of the better role-playing defensive bigs in the NBA. Just wish he could shoot better.

[Ruzious]

Precious is Jerami Grant essentially

Thats a spicy take.

Dont think its that crazy of a take. Super raw athletic forwards. Grant to me is the better athlete but Precious is going to be a lot stronger than Grant. But I dont really see Precious having all that different of a role in the NBA than Grant does. Precious on ball skills are non transferable to the NBA, no team is going to be wanting him to try and create his own shot. He also isn't a good shooter either. Maybe you can hope for a Montrez Harrell kind of player, but I think the Grant take is pretty accurate.

Beat me to it - actually your post was much better than mine.