Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch

[big-shot-ROB]

The draft is not looking great unless someone skyrockets to the top of the board. But teams will know that so it will be hard to trade the Memphis pick if we end up having it.

I'd say trade out of this draft as much as possible.

[zoyathedestroya]

Lottery teams in the East are just a pile of trash. Bottom of the West will remain competitive though for that last playoff spot. 8th and 12th seed are separated by just 3.5 games. Pelicans just activated Zion. Blazers still have Dame and will get Nurkic back soon. Spurs gonna Spurs. Suns have nice combo of youth and veterans, can win more when healthy. 11th pick, anyone?

[klemen4]

Yes...POR, SAS and NOP are going for that 8th playoff spot. Im pretty sure all 3 will finish better than MEM.

Let's see if the next 3 of PHO, MIN and SAC can finally be healthy and go on a run.

I still believe in as high as 9th draft pick...let's go

[SmartWentCrazy]

I mean..i get it...that would really suck...two years in a row(Kings pick last year) where an asset could have been really good but turns out to be not so much. Ja/Jaren>Tatum/Brown

Lol Jaren regressed hard core, stop clowning. He’s a Serge Ibaka clone. Easily the most overrated young player in the league.

Also, imagine giving up a lottery pick for Jeff Green. Now that would really suck.

Sorry, Serge Ibaka could actually rebound the ball. Jaren Jackson doesnt.

I know youre banned and wont be able to reply but I’m giving you a big fat LOL at your JJJ> Tatum take.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Does anyone know *why* Jaren can't rebound? I haven't really watched him this year

[SmartWentCrazy]

Does anyone know *why* Jaren can't rebound? I haven't really watched him this year

Hes a 7 foot shooting guard who can switch but gets abused down low. Hes just soft and hates physicality.

[Feed Your Head]

Still think the pick falls between 9-12, can get a really good player there.

[LuckyLeprechaun]

Hopefully we shattered their confidence and a bunch of losses are incoming for the Grizz.

[Homerclease]

Still think the pick falls between 9-12, can get a really good player there.

Paul Pierce went 10th. A guy like that would be sweet

[Celts17Pride]

Still think the pick falls between 9-12, can get a really good player there.

Paul Pierce went 10th. A guy like that would be sweet

Dirk Nowitzski went 9th, Pierce went 10th. We would take either one.

[Wes-J]

Still think the pick falls between 9-12, can get a really good player there.

Really hope you're right and yes we can get a good player there.

I just hope we do something about the other picks (please trade them for something useful now).

[klemen4]

Looking SOS - Strength of Schedule of teams in low loterry from hardest to easiest, it goes like this:

1. Pho
5. Min
6. MEM
7. Det
8. Chi
9. Por
10. Sac
14. Sas
27. Nop

Based on quality of roster, health and schedule imo Sas, Por and Nop should/will be better than MEM.

That means pick will be at least nb. 12.

Of other teams we will see what happens at trade deadline and health wise.

Chi - based on that there is a lot more bad teams in East, maybe due to opponents they can finish better than MEM.

Pho - looks the most stable of Eastern teams, but has the hardest remaining schedule.

Min - should be a lot better, but KAT missed a lot of games and who knows what they will do at trade deadline.

Sac - something is not right in Sacto, quality wise they should be better, but I do not believe they will turn it around.

Det - I expect Rose trade, probably also Drummond, so they will be worst.


So taking into consideration all this yes pick will be in 9-12 range.

Now, can we get impact pf/c in this range, that is another question.

[MC_901]

Grizzlies really tried their best to tank this season but management had no clue Ja would play as well as he has. Ja was off last night but his rookie year has been amazing. Jae Crowder is only shooting 36% from the field and 28% from three yet he's starting, is allowed to jack up as many shots as he wants and plays like 30 mins a night. Both Kyle Anderson and Solomon Hill...that's right SOLOMON HILL are BOTH in the rotation and are playing real minutes. Ja gets yanked in and out of the game the first three quarters in hopes that the team is so far behind when he actually plays in the 4th quarter that they can't make up the ground so they still loose("what? How dare you say we are tanking..didn't you see Ja play most of the 4th quarter"). Ja is a young dynamic point guard who still isn't averaging 30 mins per game(just for a comparison John Wall, Derrick Rose, and Chris Paul were all top 5 point guard draft picks who averaged at least 37 mins per game their rookie seasons) Josh Jackson has been playing really well in the G-league yet they have not called him up and instead are keeping Kyle Anderson and SOLOMON HILL in the damn rotation. They have refused to trade Andre Igudola for ANY player that could actually help them this year. All of this should let you know that our young 30 year old analytical geek GM has tried his best to tank this season without it being obvious to the fans that they are trying their best to tank. If the Grizzlies were actually trying to win games this year right now the starting line up would be Ja(would be averaging at least 36 mins per night taking at least 20 shots per game), D'Anthony Melton(check out his +/-), Dillion Brooks, JJJ(would be averaging at least 36 mins per night taking at least 22-25 shots per game with at least 8-12 of them being 3's), and JV. The bench would consist of Tyus Jones, Grayson Allen, Josh Jackson, Jae Crowder(no more than 12 mins per game at the 4), and Brandon Clarke. There is no reason at all for either Kyle Anderson or SOLOMON HILL to be in the rotation AT ALL. Sad part is we are tanking and won't have a lottery pick AT ALL to show for it....how disgusting is that.

[MC_901]

Does anyone know *why* Jaren can't rebound? I haven't really watched him this year

He only averages 27 mins per game. Grizzlies really did try to tank this season. Jaren is 20 years old..no reason he shouldn't be averaging at least 36 mins per game. Also every shot that Jae Crowder jacks up and bricks should have instead gone to Jaren. Even Dillion Brooks has a tendency to jack up wild shots early in the shot clock that should have instead been given to JJJ on the block, given to him to take his big off the dribble, or given to him in the pick and pop for a three. Every game I cry at the amount of shots that Dillion Brooks, Jae Crowder, and SOLOMON HILL take instead of letting JJJ or Ja take those shots.....it's quite painful to watch.

[MC_901]

Does anyone know *why* Jaren can't rebound? I haven't really watched him this year

He only averages 27 mins per game. Grizzlies really did try to tank this season. Jaren is 20 years old..no reason he shouldn't be averaging at least 36 mins per game(in year 2 a 20 year old Kevin Garnett averaged 39 minutes per game). Also every shot that Jae Crowder jacks up and bricks should have instead gone to Jaren. Even Dillion Brooks has a tendency to jack up wild shots early in the shot clock that should have instead been given to JJJ on the block, given to him to take his big off the dribble, or given to him in the pick and pop for a three. Every game I cry at the amount of shots that Dillion Brooks, Jae Crowder, and SOLOMON HILL take instead of letting JJJ or Ja take those shots.....it's quite painful to watch.

[djFan71]

Assuming the worst and we get pick 16, 27, 30 - how high do you think you can get by trading up all 3?
Obviously it's theoretical at this point since we don't know the teams ahead of us, but maybe you could get back to the 12-14 range?

And if we get something like 13, 24, 30 maybe you can get up to 9-10?

It's one reason to hesitate just tossing the late picks into a rental deal.

[LewisnotMiller]

Assuming the worst and we get pick 16, 27, 30 - how high do you think you can get by trading up all 3?
Obviously it's theoretical at this point since we don't know the teams ahead of us, but maybe you could get back to the 12-14 range?

And if we get something like 13, 24, 30 maybe you can get up to 9-10?

It's one reason to hesitate just tossing the late picks into a rental deal.

Is there someone at say 10 who wouldn't be there at 14 who you love for us?
Because moving up is one thing...moving up with a clearly identified target is another.

Heck...same applies to moving down, per Tatum.

For me, I've got Paul Reed in mind, so moving up seems pointless (at the moment).
But I'm keeping an eye on Memphis, and Obi Toppin.

I expect I'll flip flop some more...lol

[djFan71]

Assuming the worst and we get pick 16, 27, 30 - how high do you think you can get by trading up all 3?
Obviously it's theoretical at this point since we don't know the teams ahead of us, but maybe you could get back to the 12-14 range?

And if we get something like 13, 24, 30 maybe you can get up to 9-10?

It's one reason to hesitate just tossing the late picks into a rental deal.

Is there someone at say 10 who wouldn't be there at 14 who you love for us?
Because moving up is one thing...moving up with a clearly identified target is another.

Heck...same applies to moving down, per Tatum.

For me, I've got Paul Reed in mind, so moving up seems pointless (at the moment).
But I'm keeping an eye on Memphis, and Obi Toppin.

I expect I'll flip flop some more...lol

Nah, I'm not a college guy. I'll latch on to some tall wing come June and be baffled why Danny didn't take him.
I just figure there's usually a tipping point in a draft and we may be able to get to the right side of it. Pretty much guaranteed it won't happen, but it's fun to dream.

[Bleeding Green]

Assuming the worst and we get pick 16, 27, 30 - how high do you think you can get by trading up all 3?
Obviously it's theoretical at this point since we don't know the teams ahead of us, but maybe you could get back to the 12-14 range?

And if we get something like 13, 24, 30 maybe you can get up to 9-10?

It's one reason to hesitate just tossing the late picks into a rental deal.

You could probably move up to like pick 12 or something. So you better be confident in that guy at 12 if you're trading three shots for one. Similar to last year would you rather have one shot: one of PJ Washington or Tyler Herro or three shots: Grant Williams, Romeo Langford and Carsen Edwards?

[Bleeding Green]

Grizzlies really tried their best to tank this season but management had no clue Ja would play as well as he has. Ja was off last night but his rookie year has been amazing. Jae Crowder is only shooting 36% from the field and 28% from three yet he's starting, is allowed to jack up as many shots as he wants and plays like 30 mins a night. Both Kyle Anderson and Solomon Hill...that's right SOLOMON HILL are BOTH in the rotation and are playing real minutes. Ja gets yanked in and out of the game the first three quarters in hopes that the team is so far behind when he actually plays in the 4th quarter that they can't make up the ground so they still loose("what? How dare you say we are tanking..didn't you see Ja play most of the 4th quarter"). Ja is a young dynamic point guard who still isn't averaging 30 mins per game(just for a comparison John Wall, Derrick Rose, and Chris Paul were all top 5 point guard draft picks who averaged at least 37 mins per game their rookie seasons) Josh Jackson has been playing really well in the G-league yet they have not called him up and instead are keeping Kyle Anderson and SOLOMON HILL in the damn rotation. They have refused to trade Andre Igudola for ANY player that could actually help them this year. All of this should let you know that our young 30 year old analytical geek GM has tried his best to tank this season without it being obvious to the fans that they are trying their best to tank. If the Grizzlies were actually trying to win games this year right now the starting line up would be Ja(would be averaging at least 36 mins per night taking at least 20 shots per game), D'Anthony Melton(check out his +/-), Dillion Brooks, JJJ(would be averaging at least 36 mins per night taking at least 22-25 shots per game with at least 8-12 of them being 3's), and JV. The bench would consist of Tyus Jones, Grayson Allen, Josh Jackson, Jae Crowder(no more than 12 mins per game at the 4), and Brandon Clarke. There is no reason at all for either Kyle Anderson or SOLOMON HILL to be in the rotation AT ALL. Sad part is we are tanking and won't have a lottery pick AT ALL to show for it....how disgusting is that.

No one plays these kinds of minutes in today's NBA. No PF/C plays 36 minutes a night, and certainly not one who is 20 years old and learning the game like Jaren Jackson. Gobert is the only guy that height who plays even 34 minutes a night, and he's the best defensive player in the NBA.

No rookie point guard is playing 37 minutes. Maybe 15 years ago when Chris Paul was coming into the league. Here are all the players who play 37 minutes per game: Damian Lillard, James Harden. Most starters on teams play like 30-32 mins a game, then the ones who are offensive/defensive leaders will play more, like 33-35. It's not 2008 anymore and Tom Thibodeau isn't coaching the Grizzlies.

Memphis isn't tanking, they just are not very good, and the players that are good are really young. Ja Morant leads the Grizz in minutes per game. They have a **** team with a lot of players that need minutes so they can determine what to do with them going forward (Tyus Jones, Dillon Brooks, Melton, Gray Allen). Morant/JJJ/Clarke is a nice core, Melton looks nasty defensively, Jones is a good backup PG. How could you even say they're tanking, they're a .500 club that most people probably pegged at like 30-35 wins at season's end.

12 threes a game for JJJ?! Harden has like a 50% usage rate or something and he barely cracks 12 3PA. JJJ is 28th in the NBA is 3PA per 100 possessions, and the only other center above him is Muscala, who plays 10 minutes a game and is a center in name only. That's a lot of **** threes when you aren't a primary ballhandler.

No one is trading anything for Iguodala. He'll either get bought out after the trade deadline or Grizz will let him go for a late second round pick or something. Why would they trade him for another player that will just incur future salary considerations? No team is giving up a player for Iguodala, it defeats the purpose of acquiring Iguodala if you have to give up talent to do so.