The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

phifans · Post #341 » by **phifans** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:36 am

Kobblehead wrote:https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-ben-simmons-role-ballhandling-point-guard-brett-brown-20200130.html

Whoa, this is pretty significant news, huh.

Finally ! After wasting two and half years !

Kobblehead · Post #342 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:37 am

Tomjas wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Jaylen Brown is probably fuming that Simmons got in over him.

His competition was Tatum

His competition should have been the field. If he's the most deserving of the field, he should have gotten in. Celtics have a 67% win percentage and three 20 point scorers. They all should have gotten in.

Trafford10 · Post #343 » by **Trafford10** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:47 am

michaelm wrote:
Trafford10 wrote:
michaelm wrote:Send him to GSW and they probably win another 3 titles, likely the next 3 in a row.

I started following the Sixers in Ben’s redshirt year, and became enamoured of Embiid, health aside he is likely the best Center in the NBA, and offensively at least is suited to many of the spots that also suit Ben. I have come to understand the frustration of the Sixers fans with Ben not shooting. Embiid and Ben actually mainly have good numbers together. There is not much doubt however that Embiid has been more effective in terms of beating the better teams thus far.

Ben may be on the cusp of working things out, the FTs lately are encouraging as I and others have said. That is basically the frustration of the Sixers fans methinks, if he is confident about making his FTs and continues to finish aggressively that will add considerably to his game even without a jumper, but even a mediocre jumper would make him (\and the Sixers) fairly unstoppable.

Well there is a direct flight San Francisco to Melbourne so maybe.

Oh and you're not even a real Sixes fan!! you're a blow in. We all know you pick your sporting teams by the age 10, at the latest, and you never change!!! Did you support another NBA team before Simmons was drafted to the Philadelphia 76ers? If so, blow in.

No, I am a GSW fan as I think is well known having got on board the bandwagon with Australia’s previous number 1 draft pick, and am sticking with them, but fortunately have the Sixers to follow as a second team this year.

This is why I am acutely aware of how annoying it is for posters on team sites for people to be only interested in a single player but not really their team. As I believe I said, success for me in a sport like basketball can only be team success. I also really like Embiid as a player anyway.

GSW, very nice.
Yeah I don't have "second teams”' my view of the world is, I support my team and basically hate every other team in the competition.
As I said, I am enjoying reading the Ben hate, it is hilarious.

Stonk · Post #344 » by **Stonk** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:13 am

You all aren't reading the article. I don't know where Pompey gets his title from but I don't see his conclusion in the quotes from Brett.

“That needs to be continued to be grown,” coach Brett Brown said Thursday. "It will mean. It will mean. I’m not saying, ‘It may mean.’ I’m saying it will mean that he’s not the primary ballhandler when you put him in those situations ...

“So really, it’s a goal and sort of the growth of Ben to put him in all these environments where he’s really good at and can impact the game at.”

He's just saying when they play Ben as a roller/screener he won't be the primary ball handler, which is obvious no?

51X3RF4N · Post #345 » by **51X3RF4N** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:50 am

Stonk wrote:You all aren't reading the article. I don't know where Pompey gets his title from but I don't see his conclusion in the quotes from Brett.

“That needs to be continued to be grown,” coach Brett Brown said Thursday. "It will mean. It will mean. I’m not saying, ‘It may mean.’ I’m saying it will mean that he’s not the primary ballhandler when you put him in those situations ...

“So really, it’s a goal and sort of the growth of Ben to put him in all these environments where he’s really good at and can impact the game at.”

He's just saying when they play Ben as a roller/screener he won't be the primary ball handler, which is obvious no?

I think it's pretty clear that what you can take from this is Brett is saying in the half court setting, Ben will not be the primary ball handler rather he will be in a different role, and in the fast break he will be the primary ball handler. Which makes sense. And I think we are seeing it more and more.

michaelm · Post #346 » by **michaelm** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:52 am

Trafford10 wrote:
michaelm wrote:
Trafford10 wrote:
Well there is a direct flight San Francisco to Melbourne so maybe.

Oh and you're not even a real Sixes fan!! you're a blow in. We all know you pick your sporting teams by the age 10, at the latest, and you never change!!! Did you support another NBA team before Simmons was drafted to the Philadelphia 76ers? If so, blow in.

No, I am a GSW fan as I think is well known having got on board the bandwagon with Australia’s previous number 1 draft pick, and am sticking with them, but fortunately have the Sixers to follow as a second team this year.

This is why I am acutely aware of how annoying it is for posters on team sites for people to be only interested in a single player but not really their team. As I believe I said, success for me in a sport like basketball can only be team success. I also really like Embiid as a player anyway.

GSW, very nice.
Yeah I don't have "second teams”' my view of the world is, I support my team and basically hate every other team in the competition.
As I said, I am enjoying reading the Ben hate, it is hilarious.

I came to being a fan of NBA basketball later in life, and won’t change from GSW now having taken the ride from when Bogut joined them, as I still support the 49ers because I liked Joe Montana back in the day. I do like Philadelphia as a city though, and quite like the Eagles as well.

The allegiances of my childhood are unchanged, I still hate Collingwood, and support the Victorian cricket team despite living in Sydney for most of my life now.

Stonk · Post #347 » by **Stonk** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:35 am

51X3RF4N wrote:
Stonk wrote:You all aren't reading the article. I don't know where Pompey gets his title from but I don't see his conclusion in the quotes from Brett.

“That needs to be continued to be grown,” coach Brett Brown said Thursday. "It will mean. It will mean. I’m not saying, ‘It may mean.’ I’m saying it will mean that he’s not the primary ballhandler when you put him in those situations ...

“So really, it’s a goal and sort of the growth of Ben to put him in all these environments where he’s really good at and can impact the game at.”

He's just saying when they play Ben as a roller/screener he won't be the primary ball handler, which is obvious no?
I think it's pretty clear that what you can take from this is Brett is saying in the half court setting, Ben will not be the primary ball handler rather he will be in a different role, and in the fast break he will be the primary ball handler. Which makes sense. And I think we are seeing it more and more.

No it's not "pretty clear".

He was still the ball handler in half court against the Hawks just now too.

moistie · Post #348 » by **moistie** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:57 am

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76ciology · Post #349 » by **76ciology** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:41 am

Ben should improve his landing. He kept landing all in one leg.

M2J · Post #350 » by **M2J** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:01 pm

76ciology wrote:Ben should improve his landing. He kept landing all in one leg.

I cringe when players do that

51X3RF4N · Post #351 » by **51X3RF4N** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:58 pm

Stonk wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:
Stonk wrote:You all aren't reading the article. I don't know where Pompey gets his title from but I don't see his conclusion in the quotes from Brett.

He's just saying when they play Ben as a roller/screener he won't be the primary ball handler, which is obvious no?
I think it's pretty clear that what you can take from this is Brett is saying in the half court setting, Ben will not be the primary ball handler rather he will be in a different role, and in the fast break he will be the primary ball handler. Which makes sense. And I think we are seeing it more and more.

No it's not "pretty clear".

He was still the ball handler in half court against the Hawks just now too.

What game were you watching? In fast break situations, Ben clearly pushed it up the floor and looked for an open man to pass it off as soon as he crossed half court. In the actual half court setting, Shake Milton was handling the ball over and over. Actually working pick and rolls with Ben a lot more than I've ever seen that action. Shake had 27 points and 6 assists, and was regularly the ball handler in pick and roll situations with Embiid and Simmons in the half court.

I counted at least 10 times where Ben and Shake were both on the floor, in the half court offense, where Ben passed it to Shake to initiate the offense and then either set a screen or went down to the dunkers spot while Shake worked with the ball in his hands.

When was the last time we saw that with Ben Simmons at PG?

Jimmy Butler.

Ben is down in the post, setting screens, slashing...that's what I saw last night. I didn't see Ben come down and drive into the lane, then jump up and turn around looking for someone to be open. I didn't see Ben turning the ball over because of poor spacing.

My point is, based on Brett's comments and how we've seen the game plan change since Richardson and Embiid have been out, it wouldn't surprise me to see more of Shake and Josh handling the ball in the half court while Ben is setting screens and rolling. It works and we are seeing it work more and more, so they're running it more and more.

76ciology · Post #352 » by **76ciology** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:11 pm

M2J wrote:
76ciology wrote:Ben should improve his landing. He kept landing all in one leg.

I cringe when players do that

Watch on YouTube

Watch this

mjkvol · Post #353 » by **mjkvol** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:48 pm

This idea that we have to build around Ben or Biid is so idiotic and laughable. We have two genuine stars that aren't a perfect fit - well, it's on Brand to build a team around them that will help maximize both, and on Brown to make that group work. Trading one of them defeats the entire idea of what The Process was about.

Enough with Ben's shooting - I am convinced that will come in time. We are seeing an aggression from him that we never saw before, and in my opinion it is because he no longer fears going to the line. In fact, he's almost hunting FT's if he isn't able to finish.

I truly hope that nothing major is done at the trade deadline, maybe just moving some minor bench pieces for some offensive bench help. But the calls for major changes after every loss make the fan base look ridiculous. Let this thing grow and play out, and if Brown can't find a way to make it work, then he needs to be shown the door. But please stop with the "trade this one or that one" after every damn loss.

Bum Adebayo · Post #354 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:23 pm

Agree, it's not on Embiid or Simmons, this is on Brett to figure it out. They both are phenomenal talents, Brett is not a good talent in the coaching field, so if this is not working, he should be the first to go.

Kobblehead · Post #355 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:09 pm

Well, it's the last day of January. I'm nervous for that first game in February. I hope Ben still has it.

sixers4real · Post #356 » by **sixers4real** » Sat Feb 1, 2020 5:11 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:Agree, it's not on Embiid or Simmons, this is on Brett to figure it out. They both are phenomenal talents, Brett is not a good talent in the coaching field, so if this is not working, he should be the first to go.

I've been out for a while, is that the first time you recognize Ben Simmons is for real? If so, great job my friend.
Or you're just trolling again?

Bum Adebayo · Post #357 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Sat Feb 1, 2020 6:56 pm

sixers4real wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:Agree, it's not on Embiid or Simmons, this is on Brett to figure it out. They both are phenomenal talents, Brett is not a good talent in the coaching field, so if this is not working, he should be the first to go.

I've been out for a while, is that the first time you recognize Ben Simmons is for real? If so, great job my friend.
Or you're just trolling again?

I am saying he is not without his faults but he aint our biggest issue. He should stop refusing to shoot jumpers, just because we have to appreciate everything else he brings to the table doesn't mean we should be ok with him doing zero progress in shooting (FT shooting is trending in the right direction but I would wait until end of the season for a better sample size). But most of his flaws are related to Brett coddling him, and it is clear he is not good as a coach, there is nothing special about him which would make you think "if we let him go he could be amazing for another team", which is what could happen with Simmons given his amazing talent.

76ciology · Post #358 » by **76ciology** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 6:01 pm

Watch on YouTube

He doesnt need to shoot. Just need to hunt mismatch and be aggressive

Negrodamus · Post #359 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Feb 3, 2020 3:04 pm

https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/ben-simmons-statistics-sixers-celtics-playoffs-analysis-20200202.html

ConstableChaos · Post #360 » by **ConstableChaos** » Tue Feb 4, 2020 8:16 am

in 2020 Simmons is shooting 79/115 (69%) FT (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3907387/ben-simmons)

which means he's getting to the line 7.2 times per game in 2020. Booker is 10th in the league at 7.3 FTA, Kawhi 11th 7.1 (simmons is currently 26th at 5.2 FTA/game) https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/free-throws-attempted?season_id=217