Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I]

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Who are your top 3 bets for ROTY if Zion sits out season? (RESET)

Brandon Clarke
30
7%
PJ Washington
12
3%
Kendrick Nunn
68
17%
Ja Morant
161
40%
Darius Garland
3
1%
Coby White
11
3%
Rui Hachimura
13
3%
RJ Barrett
40
10%
De’Andre Hunter
8
2%
Tyler Herro
59
15%
 
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2021 » by clyde21 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:34 pm

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Buzzard wrote:I guess but I am still dismayed by it. To me he is the weakest link in the above top 10, not the 4th best.


that's your opinion, you're wrong, but your opinion

:lol: one of is wrong for sure.


yes, you...RJ among 2019 guys is 3rd in points, 5th in boards, and 3rd in assists.

there's no way he should be lower than top 5 on that list, period.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2022 » by Buzzard » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:41 pm

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that's your opinion, you're wrong, but your opinion

:lol: one of is wrong for sure.


yes, you...RJ among 2019 guys is 3rd in points, 5th in boards, and 3rd in assists.

there's no way he should be lower than top 5 on that list, period.

Anyway, I am basing my opinion on what he is doing now. That is what ROY is about. Later, he will probably be like a lot of 1st year players and just needs time to get his feet under him.

ROY though is about now.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2023 » by Ballerhogger » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:55 pm

JA Morant by country mile . Amazing he’s leading them to a playoff so far
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2024 » by Duke4life831 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:18 pm

The NBA just cant get their scheduling down. What NBA fan doesn't want to watch the Griz vs Pels tonight? You got Ja vs Zion, you finally have a healthy Pels team looking to make a late push for the playoffs vs the team that is currently sitting on the 8th spot. That is a must watch game tonight.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2025 » by VCfor3 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:37 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:The NBA just cant get their scheduling down. What NBA fan doesn't want to watch the Griz vs Pels tonight? You got Ja vs Zion, you finally have a healthy Pels team looking to make a late push for the playoffs vs the team that is currently sitting on the 8th spot. That is a must watch game tonight.

And our 2nd best player who would have been tasked with guarding Zion is suspended. I had been looking forward all season to that matchup. :banghead:
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2026 » by Young gun 6 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:23 pm

VCfor3 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:The NBA just cant get their scheduling down. What NBA fan doesn't want to watch the Griz vs Pels tonight? You got Ja vs Zion, you finally have a healthy Pels team looking to make a late push for the playoffs vs the team that is currently sitting on the 8th spot. That is a must watch game tonight.

And our 2nd best player who would have been tasked with guarding Zion is suspended. I had been looking forward all season to that matchup. :banghead:


And his replacement your 2nd best rookie and 5th best player in Clarke is likely out as well!
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2027 » by clyde21 » Sat Feb 1, 2020 3:08 am

Zion 24/6/3 on 9-15
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2028 » by Young gun 6 » Sat Feb 1, 2020 3:16 am

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clyde21 wrote:Zion 24/6/3 on 9-15
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2029 » by Young gun 6 » Sat Feb 1, 2020 3:17 am

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clyde21 wrote:Zion 24/6/3 on 9-15


Annoyed we had to see Solomon Hill play on him would’ve liked to see full strength Memphis go after him.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2030 » by clyde21 » Sat Feb 1, 2020 3:20 am

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clyde21 wrote:Zion 24/6/3 on 9-15


Annoyed we had to see Solomon Hill play on him would’ve liked to see full strength Memphis go after him.


Clarke vs. Zion would've been fun
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2031 » by THE J0KER » Sat Feb 1, 2020 4:23 am

NOP-MEM is a match of the year for the 2020 rookie discussion!

Zion clearly outplayed Morant today, Hayes was nothing special, N. Alexander-Walker played just 5 minutes, and Clarke didn't play at all (injured).

The most exciting rookie outside this matchup is arguably Denver's Michael Porter, and once again he proved against all odds that he is actually best rebounder of this rookie class despite playing as SF. About two weeks ago he finally started to play 20+ minutes, and today collected 5th double-double in the last 8 games (11p-9r already at halftime). With 5 double-doubles he is already #2 on DD list, behind Morant with 8. Unfortunately, MPJ was injured in the middle of the 2nd half and left the game.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2032 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Feb 1, 2020 5:49 am

Zion is just a different dude. He isn't even in good shape and he is doing this stuff. Just looking at him, he's clearly not as quick or explosive as he was at Duke and the dude is putting up 20+ in his sleep right now.

There is a reason why this dude completely dominated college last year, he is just on a different level. Can't wait till next year if he gets back into his Duke shape. The explosive defense and off the dribble explosion should be there.

Health and weight is the only thing that can keep him from being special, I think that's pretty clear already.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2033 » by TheZachAttack » Sat Feb 1, 2020 8:02 am

I’ll just say this... Zion’s finishing ability, body control, and touch around the rim is the best I have ever seen in my lifetime.

If you think this is hyperbole we’ll talk later. The lebron and Giannis straight line drivers are different. What’s I’m saying... the athleticsism/size combo that allows those guys to get to the rim and finish is different from Zion. Zion can go up and adjust and double clutch and put touch on balls wherever he gets it within 5 feet and it goes in. It doesn’t matter what you do because of his body control and finishing ability he’ll adjust and go up and under and put English and it will soon in... and if he misses he’ll o second jump you and put it in.

If you haven’t noticed what I’ve said...watch it...watch his duke highlights...watch his nba games... it’s hard to describe why Zion is different and why his efficiency is so high despite his limitations and that’s why. I’ve noticed it since Duke.

Generational finishing ability and body control combined with that athleticism.

The secondary sneaky skill is the willingness to play withIn flow.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2034 » by kan_t » Sat Feb 1, 2020 9:03 am

Zion finishing ability is insane and I like he's not trying to dunk on everyone whenever he gets the ball.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2035 » by mcmurphy » Sat Feb 1, 2020 9:17 am

clyde21 wrote:
Buzzard wrote:
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because context? he's averaging way more rebs and assists than Cam/Hunter too, and his team literally has 0 spacing with no functional PG on it

I guess but I am still dismayed by it. To me he is the weakest link in the above top 10, not the 4th best.


that's your opinion, you're wrong, but your opinion


Is not only his opinion...
No way Rj better of MPJ... advanced and eye test says so
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2036 » by clyde21 » Sat Feb 1, 2020 10:35 am

mcmurphy wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Buzzard wrote:I guess but I am still dismayed by it. To me he is the weakest link in the above top 10, not the 4th best.


that's your opinion, you're wrong, but your opinion


Is not only his opinion...
No way Rj better of MPJ... advanced and eye test says so


cool story...except his argument wasn't that MPJ should be higher than Barrett, his argument was that Barrett shouldn't be top10.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2037 » by clyde21 » Sat Feb 1, 2020 10:37 am

TheZachAttack wrote:I’ll just say this... Zion’s finishing ability, body control, and touch around the rim is the best I have ever seen in my lifetime.

If you think this is hyperbole we’ll talk later. The lebron and Giannis straight line drivers are different. What’s I’m saying... the athleticsism/size combo that allows those guys to get to the rim and finish is different from Zion. Zion can go up and adjust and double clutch and put touch on balls wherever he gets it within 5 feet and it goes in. It doesn’t matter what you do because of his body control and finishing ability he’ll adjust and go up and under and put English and it will soon in... and if he misses he’ll o second jump you and put it in.

If you haven’t noticed what I’ve said...watch it...watch his duke highlights...watch his nba games... it’s hard to describe why Zion is different and why his efficiency is so high despite his limitations and that’s why. I’ve noticed it since Duke.

Generational finishing ability and body control combined with that athleticism.

The secondary sneaky skill is the willingness to play withIn flow.


people have/had no clue how good this guy is, most people just saw a dunker in the highlights but had no idea he has elite skill...he's not the best prospect since LeBron because of his athleticism, he's the best prospect since LeBron because he's the complete package
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2038 » by GreenBloodedC » Sat Feb 1, 2020 10:49 am

When Zion was already behind the backboard and he switched hands mid air to get the basket, maaan I haven't seen anything like it. This kid is something special.

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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2039 » by Buzzard » Sat Feb 1, 2020 11:43 am

clyde21 wrote:
mcmurphy wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
that's your opinion, you're wrong, but your opinion


Is not only his opinion...
No way Rj better of MPJ... advanced and eye test says so


cool story...except his argument wasn't that MPJ should be higher than Barrett, his argument was that Barrett shouldn't be top10.

My argument is he is the weakest link in the top 10. Your argument is he is top five all day. I heartily disagree with that at this point considering his returns. His rebounds in January are staying steady at 5.1 while his assist have dropped to 1.3. His TS% is better at .523 though. Those counting stats are not great, key word is great, for a rookie who is getting the most minutes per game of anyone.

This is more like it and if anyone gets hot in the 2nd half, he could drop out my top 10. If he flips the script, he could move up.

1 Morant
2 Zion
3 Nunn
4 Porter Jr
5 Clarke
6 Herro
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2040 » by NO-KG-AI » Sat Feb 1, 2020 1:04 pm

I honestly couldn't be happier with how Zion has shot out of the gate, amazing amazing talent, worth the wait, and worth all the hype. Even slowly easing his way back in and letting the game come to him, he just gets points and rebounds so fast and so easily. He's 90% strength and touch right now, just small flashes of the explosion here and there. It makes him even more exciting as a prospect IMO.

Still a little jealous that the Lakers didn't end up with #2 so we could snag Ja too :lol: Grizzly fans are and should be thrilled, and if he takes ROY he certainly deserves it, and you'd hear no fight from me, even if Zion only keeps going up. You have to get credit for being out there and playing, and having your team overachieve largely due to you.

Michael Porter looks a lot better than I thought he would be from high school and college. I thought he was more Michael Beasley than dominant NBA player, but damn, he looks good.
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