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Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player

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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#501 » by Randle McMurphy » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:51 am

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Clay Davis wrote:So you think TD should play the 3?

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I think NBA caliber players should play over those who are not

I think NBA caliber coaches scouts and management know more than you

If only there weren't countless examples of NBA caliber coaches, scouts, and management making the wrong decisions all the time throughout the league, you might have had something here
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#502 » by Tanner » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:18 am

Patrick McCaw will either not be in the league or will be playing for close to the minimum after his current contract ends. Quote me on this.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#503 » by SFour » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:26 am

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Double Bubble wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:I think NBA caliber players should play over those who are not

I think NBA caliber coaches scouts and management know more than you

If only there weren't countless examples of NBA caliber coaches, scouts, and management making the wrong decisions all the time throughout the league, you might have had something here


ya I'm pretty confident I could do a better job as a GM than Vlade Divac.....I would've drafted Doncic without thinking twice
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#504 » by Clay Davis » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:38 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
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Randle McMurphy wrote:I think NBA caliber players should play over those who are not

I think NBA caliber coaches scouts and management know more than you

If only there weren't countless examples of NBA caliber coaches, scouts, and management making the wrong decisions all the time throughout the league, you might have had something here
Doesn't change the fact that they know more than you.

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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#505 » by geminiz » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:12 am

These type of argument is dangerous and funny I have heard very similarly several times from religious cult preachers, claiming that their followers include doctors, professors and they are smart, so one should not question but just blindly follow. Same argument can be applied to politics yet just about everyone trashes policy makers with opposing views.

Let's just ignore any measurable facts from argument and just salute!
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Double Bubble wrote:I think NBA caliber coaches scouts and management know more than you

If only there weren't countless examples of NBA caliber coaches, scouts, and management making the wrong decisions all the time throughout the league, you might have had something here
Doesn't change the fact that they know more than you.

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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#506 » by Tor_Raps » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:20 am

McCaw sucks and actually runs my Raptors experience. I've had so much fun watching this team play when hes not in the lineup.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#507 » by Randle McMurphy » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:21 am

geminiz wrote:These type of argument is dangerous and funny I have heard very similarly several times from religious cult preachers, claiming that their followers include doctors, professors and they are smart, so one should not question but just blindly follow. Same argument can be applied to politics yet just about everyone trashes policy makers with opposing views.

Let's just ignore any measurable facts from argument and just salute!
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Randle McMurphy wrote:If only there weren't countless examples of NBA caliber coaches, scouts, and management making the wrong decisions all the time throughout the league, you might have had something here
Doesn't change the fact that they know more than you.

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It's just your standard appeal to authority fallacy. It reeks of desperation but there's really no way to legitimately defend McCaw or this team's usage of him, so that's basically all that anybody has in this instance.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#508 » by RoLo » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:26 am

Clay Davis wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Double Bubble wrote:I think NBA caliber coaches scouts and management know more than you

If only there weren't countless examples of NBA caliber coaches, scouts, and management making the wrong decisions all the time throughout the league, you might have had something here
Doesn't change the fact that they know more than you.

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kinda ironic coming from a guy with your avatar. but your right. lets not question anything anyone in position of power ever does. they're right we're wrong.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#509 » by ciueli » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:49 am

Can someone tell me who is supposed to be getting all the minutes McCaw is getting? It's not like we have a ton of options here.

OG: not having a great season, already playing 30 MPG, might actually be better at the PF than SF but plays SF because we desperately need someone to play minutes at SF.
Norman Powell: playing really well off the bench, undersized for the SF, playing really well as a SG, already playing 28 MPG.
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson: out with injury, even when healthy works better as a small ball PF or even C as he isn't a shooter.
Terrence Davis: Undersized for the SF even though he's played there a bit. Is still going to make some rookie mistakes. It would be nice to get him more than 17 MPG but we are overflowing with guards who can't really play SF.
Matt Thomas: Again, another undersized guard who doesn't work well at SF, he's good on offence but bad on defence.
Stanley Johnson: terrible, worse than McCaw.
Malcom Miller: terrible, worse than McCaw.

McCaw isn't great but he's the closest thing we have to a competent 3+D SF off the bench. He's a plus defender, and not a horrible 3 point shooter. I can see why Nurse gives minutes even if he's the worst player in our rotation.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#510 » by Clay Davis » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:51 am

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geminiz wrote:These type of argument is dangerous and funny I have heard very similarly several times from religious cult preachers, claiming that their followers include doctors, professors and they are smart, so one should not question but just blindly follow. Same argument can be applied to politics yet just about everyone trashes policy makers with opposing views.

Let's just ignore any measurable facts from argument and just salute!
Clay Davis wrote:Doesn't change the fact that they know more than you.

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It's just your standard appeal to authority fallacy. It reeks of desperation but there's really no way to legitimately defend McCaw or this team's usage of him, so that's basically all that anybody has in this instance.

Way to lack nuance in your argument.
You asked why the team is playing him so much, it's because our depth at the three is horrible. It's a lot to ask for a first-year 1/2 to guard players who have 3-4 inches on him.

Or, you know, that's the basketball reason. The more cynical reason which, instead of insulting the intelligence of the people running on the team, would probably center around minimizing TD's play-time to ensure he doesn't have too high of a price when it comes time to sign him. It's kind of surprising I haven't seen anybody make this argument, but then again, the people on this board are pretty stupid.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#511 » by TheWave » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:06 am

McCaw cause me to poke myself in the eye with my finger when I went to facepalm over one of his moments of indecision. He has caused me physical pain and mental duress. He is awful and I hope we are getting an upgrade and rid of him ASAP.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#512 » by Clay Davis » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:16 am

geminiz wrote:These type of argument is dangerous and funny I have heard very similarly several times from religious cult preachers, claiming that their followers include doctors, professors and they are smart, so one should not question but just blindly follow. Same argument can be applied to politics yet just about everyone trashes policy makers with opposing views.

Let's just ignore any measurable facts from argument and just salute!
Clay Davis wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:If only there weren't countless examples of NBA caliber coaches, scouts, and management making the wrong decisions all the time throughout the league, you might have had something here
Doesn't change the fact that they know more than you.

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Religion and politics are not competitive enterprises where you receive near-immediate feedback for missteps, necessitating accountability. Sports are very different. One shouldn't assume that those who have produced elite results over their tenure in competitive industries are anything but talented and shrewd.

The best argument that the interlocutor can come up with is saying that a rookie combo-guard should be tasked with guarding people 3-4 inches taller than him because they're an 'NBA-caliber player' despite witnessing a player who has better physical tools and who has performed passably in that regard. It's a stupid argument.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#513 » by LoveMyRaps » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:28 am

He won't be on this team past the trade deadline.
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We're showcasing him. Y'all just need to be patient and watch him for a couple more games. Then he'll be gone. You really think the entire front office is blind to how ass McCaw is ?
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#514 » by Randle McMurphy » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:46 am

Clay Davis wrote:Way to lack nuance in your argument.

Patrick McCaw is one of the worst players statistically in the league. He's bad defensively, awful offensively and shouldn't be playing a single meaningful minute for a contender (particularly on a team with at least 11 players better than him). How's that for nuance?
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#515 » by bballsparkin » Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:35 am

I think teams should win games...worrying about a mid-season game McCaw came back to play and won one week before the deadline against the Cavs of all teams.

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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#516 » by Kingsway_fan » Sat Feb 1, 2020 1:23 am

Clay Davis wrote:
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geminiz wrote:These type of argument is dangerous and funny I have heard very similarly several times from religious cult preachers, claiming that their followers include doctors, professors and they are smart, so one should not question but just blindly follow. Same argument can be applied to politics yet just about everyone trashes policy makers with opposing views.

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It's just your standard appeal to authority fallacy. It reeks of desperation but there's really no way to legitimately defend McCaw or this team's usage of him, so that's basically all that anybody has in this instance.

Way to lack nuance in your argument.
You asked why the team is playing him so much, it's because our depth at the three is horrible. It's a lot to ask for a first-year 1/2 to guard players who have 3-4 inches on him.

Or, you know, that's the basketball reason. The more cynical reason which, instead of insulting the intelligence of the people running on the team, would probably center around minimizing TD's play-time to ensure he doesn't have too high of a price when it comes time to sign him. It's kind of surprising I haven't seen anybody make this argument, but then again, the people on this board are pretty stupid.


I have held that view from early on..not only regarding TD BUT ALSO BOUCHER...
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#517 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Feb 1, 2020 2:19 am

22 minutes, 0 shots, 0 points. Davis benched. But no problems can be found.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#518 » by duppyy » Sat Feb 1, 2020 2:19 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:22 minutes, 0 shots, 0 points. Davis benched. But no problems can be found.


but but...the intangibles!!!!
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#519 » by HiJiNX » Sat Feb 1, 2020 2:21 am

Clay Davis wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Double Bubble wrote:I think NBA caliber coaches scouts and management know more than you

If only there weren't countless examples of NBA caliber coaches, scouts, and management making the wrong decisions all the time throughout the league, you might have had something here
Doesn't change the fact that they know more than you.

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This is a dumb argument.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#520 » by duppyy » Sat Feb 1, 2020 2:22 am

HiJiNX wrote:
Clay Davis wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:If only there weren't countless examples of NBA caliber coaches, scouts, and management making the wrong decisions all the time throughout the league, you might have had something here
Doesn't change the fact that they know more than you.

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This is a dumb argument.


Its the only argument McCaw fans have.

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