Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player

[mdenny]

i wonder if any of the McCaw obsessives have contemplated the fact that they actually don't know anything about basketball and are essentially playing a version of roulette when they watch. Ie shot goes in : I feel good/shot doesn't go in : I feel bad

Basketball is pretty complicated stuff. You might be a moron and noone cares about your fantasy league or your proline cards.

Zee Raptors have the third best record in the NBA AFTER losing two starters. One of whom was the Chip MVP.

Bow down before the one you serve. You insufferable ****. We are witnessing some historic coaching and team play. There is no precedent for this year's Raptor's team. EVER. EVERRRRRRRRRR.

We are writing a completely new storyline that has no historic precedent. EVER.

Anyone that wants to tarnish that because of their office NBA pool can go **** themselves. Seriously. You aren't real fans.

I have no idea what you’re talking about

Are you aware of the constant obsession over McCaw's minutes and his contributions to our 3rd best NBA record?

Better yet....do you have any pre-season prediction on record? Did you have us over the Clippers at the break? Did you have us 3rd in the league? And did you foresee us doing this given our injuries?

[C_Money]

There's a weird thing that happens on this board where people will find ways to defend players when they're unproductive but also still find ways to **** on players when they're putting up great numbers. It usually involves defense and iq on both ends of the argument. Either, "it's okay that he's putting up a goose egg because he provides defense and has good iq" or "yeah he scored 20 points but he's a horrible defender with bad iq." always makes it sound like defense and iq matters more than anything else when talking about contribution to the team.

In the case of mccaw he reminds me a lot of Luis Scola or Michael curry from the Kevin o'neal days. Of course he's not completely useless, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find things he does well, but at the end of the day there's more talented guys on the team that shokls be taking his minutes for the sake of the teams potential and their own personal development but for some reason because the coach likes a specific part of his game he's getting minutes. At the end of the day if you're seriously trying to win games, mccaw doesn't Need to be playing.

Couldn’t agree more. It’s the old “he’s a glue guy” excuse that you see with bad players who are getting heavy minutes. In reality they aren’t doing much of anything.

[mdenny]

There's a weird thing that happens on this board where people will find ways to defend players when they're unproductive but also still find ways to **** on players when they're putting up great numbers. It usually involves defense and iq on both ends of the argument. Either, "it's okay that he's putting up a goose egg because he provides defense and has good iq" or "yeah he scored 20 points but he's a horrible defender with bad iq." always makes it sound like defense and iq matters more than anything else when talking about contribution to the team.

In the case of mccaw he reminds me a lot of Luis Scola or Michael curry from the Kevin o'neal days. Of course he's not completely useless, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find things he does well, but at the end of the day there's more talented guys on the team that shokls be taking his minutes for the sake of the teams potential and their own personal development but for some reason because the coach likes a specific part of his game he's getting minutes. At the end of the day if you're seriously trying to win games, mccaw doesn't Need to be playing.

Couldn’t agree more. It’s the old “he’s a glue guy” excuse that you see with bad players who are getting heavy minutes. In reality they aren’t doing much of anything.

Consider what's more likely. That our genius championship coach who just guided our team to the 3rd overall spot mid-season despite heading one of the worst injury-plagued teams is REALLY REALLY wrong about McCaw and you are right.

Or you are a moron who thinks of basketball as no more complicated than a dice game and all of us get forced to listen to your whinging bc you attribute bad dice rolls to the player who isn't meant to the roll them?

Basketball is not a dice game. It's not roulette. It's not a game of chance. Not a game of shots made/shots missed.

McCaw knows defense schemes. WATCH. He is pointing and directing to all of our sentimental favorite player NORMgod.

Yes. McCaw is regularly directing and pointing to Norm and where he should go. If you simple minded idiots would actually watch you'd see this.

[C_Money]

There's a weird thing that happens on this board where people will find ways to defend players when they're unproductive but also still find ways to **** on players when they're putting up great numbers. It usually involves defense and iq on both ends of the argument. Either, "it's okay that he's putting up a goose egg because he provides defense and has good iq" or "yeah he scored 20 points but he's a horrible defender with bad iq." always makes it sound like defense and iq matters more than anything else when talking about contribution to the team.

In the case of mccaw he reminds me a lot of Luis Scola or Michael curry from the Kevin o'neal days. Of course he's not completely useless, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find things he does well, but at the end of the day there's more talented guys on the team that shokls be taking his minutes for the sake of the teams potential and their own personal development but for some reason because the coach likes a specific part of his game he's getting minutes. At the end of the day if you're seriously trying to win games, mccaw doesn't Need to be playing.

Couldn’t agree more. It’s the old “he’s a glue guy” excuse that you see with bad players who are getting heavy minutes. In reality they aren’t doing much of anything.

Consider what's more likely. That our genius championship coach who just guided our team to the 3rd overall spot mid-season despite heading one of the worst injury-plagued teams is REALLY REALLY wrong about McCaw and you are right.

Or you are a moron who thinks of basketball as no more complicated than a dice game and all of us get forced to listen to your whinging bc you attribute bad dice rolls to the player who isn't meant to the roll them?

Basketball is not a dice game. It's not roulette. It's not a game of chance. Not a game of shots made/shots missed.

McCaw knows defense schemes. WATCH. He is pointing and directing to all of our sentimental favorite player NORMgod.

Yes. McCaw is regularly directing and pointing to Norm and where he should go. If you simple minded idiots would actually watch you'd see this.

Breh, first of all you are sh*t faced and 2nd of all McCaw’s defence doesn’t even come close to make up for the 0 points he puts up on offence every night.

[Raps1103]

i wonder if any of the McCaw obsessives have contemplated the fact that they actually don't know anything about basketball and are essentially playing a version of roulette when they watch. Ie shot goes in : I feel good/shot doesn't go in : I feel bad

Basketball is pretty complicated stuff. You might be a moron and noone cares about your fantasy league or your proline cards.

Zee Raptors have the third best record in the NBA AFTER losing two starters. One of whom was the Chip MVP.

Bow down before the one you serve. You insufferable ****. We are witnessing some historic coaching and team play. There is no precedent for this year's Raptor's team. EVER. EVERRRRRRRRRR.

We are writing a completely new storyline that has no historic precedent. EVER.

Anyone that wants to tarnish that because of their office NBA pool can go **** themselves. Seriously. You aren't real fans.

Huh?

[sbsat]

There's a weird thing that happens on this board where people will find ways to defend players when they're unproductive but also still find ways to **** on players when they're putting up great numbers. It usually involves defense and iq on both ends of the argument. Either, "it's okay that he's putting up a goose egg because he provides defense and has good iq" or "yeah he scored 20 points but he's a horrible defender with bad iq." always makes it sound like defense and iq matters more than anything else when talking about contribution to the team.

In the case of mccaw he reminds me a lot of Luis Scola or Michael curry from the Kevin o'neal days. Of course he's not completely useless, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find things he does well, but at the end of the day there's more talented guys on the team that shokls be taking his minutes for the sake of the teams potential and their own personal development but for some reason because the coach likes a specific part of his game he's getting minutes. At the end of the day if you're seriously trying to win games, mccaw doesn't Need to be playing.

Wow what a rant. You seem very confident.

I myself also question why McCaw plays so much -- its not abundantly clear to me what his case for playing time is. But collectively we have to concede that 1. Nurse obviously knows what he is doing, 2. The raptors staff have a plethora of data and analytics we dont see which may shed more insight into mccaws impact and 3. They see his capabilities in practice and internally. So really when someone justifies why he plays on here, its less bravado and confirmation bias, its more trying address what the staff sees in this guy that .merits playing time.

Fyi ... you dont know more than our coach. Just making sure you know that.

[alienchild]

22 minutes, 0 shots, 0 points. Davis benched. But no problems can be found.

Nurse chooses to play him. Nurse is his coach.

Nurse's resume:

Read on Twitter

When you can find a moment, could you please post your's?

We literally just went over the appeal to authority fallacy yesterday.

In other words, you don't have the resume to make the decision, but want yourself to be the authority on the subject. That's it's own fallacy.

I hope Nurse keep's doing what he's doing, not because I'm defending McCaw, but because he's living rent free in your head, and you're totally powerless to stop him.

[TheWave]

Yo, you just know it because his skills are infrared. He has, like actually elite intangibles.

[Natural11]

I can't help but feel irritated every time Nurse subs in McCaw before TD.

[DelAbbot]

You are drunk. McCaw haters are often the most knowledgeable on this board.

i wonder if any of the McCaw obsessives have contemplated the fact that they actually don't know anything about basketball and are essentially playing a version of roulette when they watch. Ie shot goes in : I feel good/shot doesn't go in : I feel bad

Basketball is pretty complicated stuff. You might be a moron and noone cares about your fantasy league or your proline cards.

Zee Raptors have the third best record in the NBA AFTER losing two starters. One of whom was the Chip MVP.

Bow down before the one you serve. You insufferable ****. We are witnessing some historic coaching and team play. There is no precedent for this year's Raptor's team. EVER. EVERRRRRRRRRR.

We are writing a completely new storyline that has no historic precedent. EVER.

Anyone that wants to tarnish that because of their office NBA pool can go **** themselves. Seriously. You aren't real fans.

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[Alfred]

Watch on YouTube

I found this video to be a very useful breakdown of McCaw's role on the team and how he impacts the team.
If you wish to share or add some information relevant to the thread's title, feel free. I would love to know your opinion on his role and impact... is it positive? negative? neutral? are we overfreaking out or are we digging ourselves a deeper hole for the play offs?

OP, just letting you know I’ve merged your thread into the Patrick McCaw megathread. Just so you don’t think I deleted it.

[will]

Never thought we would have a Pat McCaw megathread.

Yet...here we is!

[Tanner]

At least we have moved beyond the “he’s being showcased for a trade” justification and now are in the acceptance stage. This dude will be playing 20 minutes a night in the playoffs for us. Intangiblez will come in handy then.

[Boogie!]

There's a weird thing that happens on this board where people will find ways to defend players when they're unproductive but also still find ways to **** on players when they're putting up great numbers. It usually involves defense and iq on both ends of the argument. Either, "it's okay that he's putting up a goose egg because he provides defense and has good iq" or "yeah he scored 20 points but he's a horrible defender with bad iq." always makes it sound like defense and iq matters more than anything else when talking about contribution to the team.

In the case of mccaw he reminds me a lot of Luis Scola or Michael curry from the Kevin o'neal days. Of course he's not completely useless, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find things he does well, but at the end of the day there's more talented guys on the team that shokls be taking his minutes for the sake of the teams potential and their own personal development but for some reason because the coach likes a specific part of his game he's getting minutes. At the end of the day if you're seriously trying to win games, mccaw doesn't Need to be playing.

Wow what a rant. You seem very confident.

I myself also question why McCaw plays so much -- its not abundantly clear to me what his case for playing time is. But collectively we have to concede that 1. Nurse obviously knows what he is doing, 2. The raptors staff have a plethora of data and analytics we dont see which may shed more insight into mccaws impact and 3. They see his capabilities in practice and internally. So really when someone justifies why he plays on here, its less bravado and confirmation bias, its more trying address what the staff sees in this guy that .merits playing time.

Fyi ... you dont know more than our coach. Just making sure you know that.

I’m assuming you never ever complain or have issues with any coaching decision or player usage?

[2019nbachamps]

Nurse could put Oliver Miller out there and you'd have dudes arguing "He is a title winning coach and you're not, so shut up."

No one is disputing Nurse's credentials. We are disputing the notion that McCaw has earned a regular 20+ mpg through his on-court performance.

McCaw competes with Norm and TD for minutes and we have a large enough sample size to see he is clearly inferior to the two. Irrespective of his defensive contributions (which are debatable by the way), it is simply inexcusable for him to completely pass up open shots and average 2-4 PPG given the minutes he plays. You can see how terrified he is to shoot. He has the same problem as Ben Simmons with 3's...both lack confidence.

He is literally our worst offensive player on a points per 48 minutes basis. Any objective assessment of McCaw must take this into account. You can be Kawhi Leonard on defense but if your team is playing 4 v 5 on offense because of you then are you really a net positive?

I really hope Nurse stops playing him come playoff time but I'm really optimistic. No matter how many times McCaw has fallen short he's still the 1st or 2nd guy off the bench most nights.

[sbsat]

There's a weird thing that happens on this board where people will find ways to defend players when they're unproductive but also still find ways to **** on players when they're putting up great numbers. It usually involves defense and iq on both ends of the argument. Either, "it's okay that he's putting up a goose egg because he provides defense and has good iq" or "yeah he scored 20 points but he's a horrible defender with bad iq." always makes it sound like defense and iq matters more than anything else when talking about contribution to the team.

In the case of mccaw he reminds me a lot of Luis Scola or Michael curry from the Kevin o'neal days. Of course he's not completely useless, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find things he does well, but at the end of the day there's more talented guys on the team that shokls be taking his minutes for the sake of the teams potential and their own personal development but for some reason because the coach likes a specific part of his game he's getting minutes. At the end of the day if you're seriously trying to win games, mccaw doesn't Need to be playing.

Wow what a rant. You seem very confident.

I myself also question why McCaw plays so much -- its not abundantly clear to me what his case for playing time is. But collectively we have to concede that 1. Nurse obviously knows what he is doing, 2. The raptors staff have a plethora of data and analytics we dont see which may shed more insight into mccaws impact and 3. They see his capabilities in practice and internally. So really when someone justifies why he plays on here, its less bravado and confirmation bias, its more trying address what the staff sees in this guy that .merits playing time.

Fyi ... you dont know more than our coach. Just making sure you know that.

I’m assuming you never ever complain or have issues with any coaching decision or player usage?

I question coaching decisions all the time.

[Raps in 4]

Doesn't change the fact that they know more than you.

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This is a dumb argument.

Its the only argument McCaw fans have.

I don't understand how this scrub has his own fan club.

[Raps in 4]

I see this even 10 wins in a row can't stop this bitterness. Just...

Because eventually it'll cost us wins. Get rid of McCaw and Nurse runs as close to perfect rotations as can be expected.

If McCaw never plays another minute, people will just move onto the next guy to complain about in rotations. You, I and everyone here knows that.

Death, taxes, and some people complaining constantly about rotations. All through a 10 game win streak.

The next guy would need to be as bad as McCaw. But there is no one else as bad as McCaw on this team.

[Raps in 4]

Player 1:
5.2 PPG/2.2 RPG/2.4 APG
-2.07 RPM (-2.17 ORPM/+0.11 DRPM)
52.7% TS (33.3% 3P)
25 MPG

Player 2:
7.2 PPG/3.4 RPG/1.8 APG
+3.95 RPM (+2.40 ORPM/+1.55 DRPM)
60.6% TS (39.7% 3P)
16.6 MPG

Guess the players.

And after you guess them, explain to me why player 1 averages 25 MPG and player 2 only 16.

[RoLo]

i wonder if any of the McCaw obsessives have contemplated the fact that they actually don't know anything about basketball and are essentially playing a version of roulette when they watch. Ie shot goes in : I feel good/shot doesn't go in : I feel bad

Basketball is pretty complicated stuff. You might be a moron and noone cares about your fantasy league or your proline cards.

Zee Raptors have the third best record in the NBA AFTER losing two starters. One of whom was the Chip MVP.

Bow down before the one you serve. You insufferable ****. We are witnessing some historic coaching and team play. There is no precedent for this year's Raptor's team. EVER. EVERRRRRRRRRR.

We are writing a completely new storyline that has no historic precedent. EVER.

Anyone that wants to tarnish that because of their office NBA pool can go **** themselves. Seriously. You aren't real fans.

i wonder if any of the McCaw defenders have contemplated the fact that they actually don't know anything about basketball and are essentially playing a version of roulette when they watch. Ie shot goes in : I feel good/shot doesn't go in : I feel bad

Basketball is pretty complicated stuff. You might be a moron and noone cares about your fantasy league or your proline cards.

Zee Raptors have the third best record in the NBA AFTER losing two starters. One of whom was the Chip MVP.

Bow down before the one you serve. You insufferable ****. We are witnessing some historic coaching and team play. There is no precedent for this year's Raptor's team. EVER. EVERRRRRRRRRR.

We are writing a completely new storyline that has no historic precedent. EVER.

Anyone that wants to tarnish that because of their office NBA pool can go **** themselves. Seriously. You aren't real fans.