2020 Offseason

[Dodub]

I’d sincerely hope that there weren’t still fans on this board who would prefer Greedy Williams over Deebo Samuel, we absolutely made the right choice

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

I’d sincerely hope that there weren’t still fans on this board who would prefer Greedy Williams over Deebo Samuel, we absolutely made the right choice

D.K. Metcalf or A.J. Brown. We traded up to get Deebo, we could have stayed put and one of those 3 would have fell on our lap. Granted some would argue that D.K. is not a good fit in our offense, the same can’t be said for A.J. Anything Deebo can do, so can Brown. He’s undeniably the better of the two.

[CrimsonCrew]

I’d sincerely hope that there weren’t still fans on this board who would prefer Greedy Williams over Deebo Samuel, we absolutely made the right choice

D.K. Metcalf or A.J. Brown. We traded up to get Deebo, we could have stayed put and one of those 3 would have fell on our lap. Granted some would argue that D.K. is not a good fit in our offense, the same can’t be said for A.J. Anything Deebo can do, so can Brown. He’s undeniably the better of the two.

We traded up for Pettis, not Deebo. But one pick after we took him, Seattle traded back for 47 and 77. We could have had Deebo or AJ Brown (he went 51st) and that extra third-rounder. I'd rather have Deebo in this offense than Metcalf. I think I'd probably rather have Brown ultimately, though that's a pretty close call and both guys look like legit players. But either way, I'd love to have had the WR and the extra pick.

[wco81]

Brown put up good numbers but he didn't do anything in the playoffs games did he?

Metcalf had one big playoffs game and then was pretty handled.

Yeah I don't like the moves they made for Pettis and Deebo might have been picked too high.

But if he makes plays in the SB, it will have been worth it.

Presumably if Pettis broke out, they wouldn't have drafted both Deebo and Hurd?

[Dodub]

I’d sincerely hope that there weren’t still fans on this board who would prefer Greedy Williams over Deebo Samuel, we absolutely made the right choice

D.K. Metcalf or A.J. Brown. We traded up to get Deebo, we could have stayed put and one of those 3 would have fell on our lap. Granted some would argue that D.K. is not a good fit in our offense, the same can’t be said for A.J. Anything Deebo can do, so can Brown. He’s undeniably the better of the two.

I’m more than fine with AJ and DK being where they are right now

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

I’d sincerely hope that there weren’t still fans on this board who would prefer Greedy Williams over Deebo Samuel, we absolutely made the right choice

D.K. Metcalf or A.J. Brown. We traded up to get Deebo, we could have stayed put and one of those 3 would have fell on our lap. Granted some would argue that D.K. is not a good fit in our offense, the same can’t be said for A.J. Anything Deebo can do, so can Brown. He’s undeniably the better of the two.

I’m more than fine with AJ and DK being where they are right now

It’s like saying Michael Thomas is better than both A.J. Green and Julio Jones because Thomas is putting up much better numbers. You’re not looking at the overall picture: offensive scheme / play calling; level of QB play; amongst other extraneous circumstances. Thus, all that I’m saying is A.J. Brown would be a monster in our offense and Deebo probably would have struggled mightily in Tennessee’s offense.

A.J. Brown vs. D.K. Metcalf vs. Deebo has a lot of similarities to the 2004 draft when the NY Giants passed on Big Ben and Philip Rivers. To me I think in their primes, both Big Ben and Rivers are better quarterbacks than Eli. However Eli landed in the best offensive scheme that fit his style of play. Eli was a great QB indeed but he didn’t carry his team like how Rivers and Big Ben has. If the Giants had not trade Rivers, I think they probably would have one 1 or 2 more SBs. When Deebo was drafted I don’t think one fan talked negatively about Deebo. The disgust of the pick had more to do on the other aforementioned 2 WRs that we passed up on.

We all suspected that on day two we were going to draft Deebo. Immediately after the conclusion of the 1st round, every website you went on to research and get a sense of who are the remaining best players available—you know the usual day two mock drafts that draft pundits publish. Well, at least 8 out of 10 of those mocks projected us drafting Deebo. I posted them on this forum and we had a lengthy discussion about it. Again, the common theme was not that Deebo wasn’t good. It had more to do with us believing that there were better players still on the board. The year prior we did the same mistake by passing up on Christian Kirk or Dallas Goedert for Pettis, and I compared 2019 to that experience: Ignoring D.K. or A.J. for Deebo.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

A lot of fans believes that Shanahan doesn’t NEED a high price RB acquisition to make the run game flourish. I think I’m the only one that still dream of adding Bell to this insane offense. Bell brings another element to the passing game that no RB in our offense is able to live up to. Shanahan would be so creative with Bell that teams would only hope for a miracle to try to keep us from scoring on every offensive drive.

[Dodub]

A lot of fans believes that Shanahan doesn’t NEED a high price RB acquisition to make the run game flourish. I think I’m the only one that still dream of adding Bell to this insane offense. Bell brings another element to the passing game that no RB in our offense is able to live up to. Shanahan would be so creative with Bell that teams would only hope for a miracle to try to keep us from scoring on every offensive drive.

I was one of Bell’s biggest fans in this board. That’s being said, With our needs to maintain our roster, I don’t believe that we could afford to go after Bell. Time and again, Shanahan has proven that he can make it work with cheaper RB’s. I’d rather spend money on Kittle, AA and DFO.

[NinerSickness]

I think I’m the only one that still dream of adding Bell to this insane offense. Bell brings another element to the passing game that no RB in our offense is able to live up to.

I think everyone would like to have Bell, but I would much rather have a starting CB or an upgrade at C (or re-sign Armstead for that matter, which I'm against). Niners are built for the long term, so it's not a good idea to start blowing up salary caps for the short term by trying to do it all.

[Samurai]

I think I’m the only one that still dream of adding Bell to this insane offense. Bell brings another element to the passing game that no RB in our offense is able to live up to.

I think everyone would like to have Bell, but I would much rather have a starting CB or an upgrade at C (or re-sign Armstead for that matter, which I'm against). Niners are built for the long term, so it's not a good idea to start blowing up salary caps for the short term by trying to do it all.

I agree. It would be great to have Bell if we could do it without breaking the bank, but given our cap situation we have other priorities to address.

While it is true that Bell adds a dimension to the passing game that none of our current RB's can, I'd like to see how Mostert would look if he had the opportunity to focus on this in the off-season. Remember that Mostert started his college career as a WR and was converted to a RB for his senior year (although he only caught one pass in his first 3 years as he was primarily used as a kick returner). But since he was listed as a WR for his first 3 years and presumably practiced with the other WR's, he may be able to become a bigger weapon in the passing game than he currently provides.

[NinerSickness]

I think I’m the only one that still dream of adding Bell to this insane offense. Bell brings another element to the passing game that no RB in our offense is able to live up to.

I think everyone would like to have Bell, but I would much rather have a starting CB or an upgrade at C (or re-sign Armstead for that matter, which I'm against). Niners are built for the long term, so it's not a good idea to start blowing up salary caps for the short term by trying to do it all.

I agree. It would be great to have Bell if we could do it without breaking the bank, but given our cap situation we have other priorities to address.

While it is true that Bell adds a dimension to the passing game that none of our current RB's can, I'd like to see how Mostert would look if he had the opportunity to focus on this in the off-season. Remember that Mostert started his college career as a WR and was converted to a RB for his senior year (although he only caught one pass in his first 3 years as he was primarily used as a kick returner). But since he was listed as a WR for his first 3 years and presumably practiced with the other WR's, he may be able to become a bigger weapon in the passing game than he currently provides.

Maybe Jalen Hurd could line up in the backfield a bit next season.

[Jikkle]

I'd love to have Bell but just depends on the price and since he didn't have a great year maybe he comes a little cheaper.

I think Bell would bring that element Shanahan was hoping to get with Mckinnon in a guy that's a threat running and receiving the ball which none of the guys on the roster really are. Coleman kinda is and that's why I think he gets so much play but Breida and Mostert aren't really the receiving types.

I also believe he'd just be a monster in our offense as well but just too many guys that are more important that need to get paid.

[Jikkle]

I think everyone would like to have Bell, but I would much rather have a starting CB or an upgrade at C (or re-sign Armstead for that matter, which I'm against). Niners are built for the long term, so it's not a good idea to start blowing up salary caps for the short term by trying to do it all.

I agree. It would be great to have Bell if we could do it without breaking the bank, but given our cap situation we have other priorities to address.

While it is true that Bell adds a dimension to the passing game that none of our current RB's can, I'd like to see how Mostert would look if he had the opportunity to focus on this in the off-season. Remember that Mostert started his college career as a WR and was converted to a RB for his senior year (although he only caught one pass in his first 3 years as he was primarily used as a kick returner). But since he was listed as a WR for his first 3 years and presumably practiced with the other WR's, he may be able to become a bigger weapon in the passing game than he currently provides.

Maybe Jalen Hurd could line up in the backfield a bit next season.

Given how Shanahan has used Deebo there is no question Hurd will be seeing some running plays.

I can picture it my head already:

We're in an offset I with Deebo and Hurd lined up outside on opposite sides. Jimmy G motions Hurd and to lineup across Juszczyk to form an inverted wishbone and now we can give it to Mostert, Hurd, have Deebo run a jet sweep the other way, or play action off it where Hurd becomes a receiving back so the defense will have no idea where the ball is going.

[NinerSickness]

I agree. It would be great to have Bell if we could do it without breaking the bank, but given our cap situation we have other priorities to address.

While it is true that Bell adds a dimension to the passing game that none of our current RB's can, I'd like to see how Mostert would look if he had the opportunity to focus on this in the off-season. Remember that Mostert started his college career as a WR and was converted to a RB for his senior year (although he only caught one pass in his first 3 years as he was primarily used as a kick returner). But since he was listed as a WR for his first 3 years and presumably practiced with the other WR's, he may be able to become a bigger weapon in the passing game than he currently provides.

Maybe Jalen Hurd could line up in the backfield a bit next season.

Given how Shanahan has used Deebo there is no question Hurd will be seeing some running plays.

I can picture it my head already:

We're in an offset I with Deebo and Hurd lined up outside on opposite sides. Jimmy G motions Hurd and to lineup across Juszczyk to form an inverted wishbone and now we can give it to Mostert, Hurd, have Deebo run a jet sweep the other way, or play action off it where Hurd becomes a receiving back so the defense will have no idea where the ball is going.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

I think everyone would like to have Bell, but I would much rather have a starting CB or an upgrade at C (or re-sign Armstead for that matter, which I'm against). Niners are built for the long term, so it's not a good idea to start blowing up salary caps for the short term by trying to do it all.

I agree. It would be great to have Bell if we could do it without breaking the bank, but given our cap situation we have other priorities to address.

While it is true that Bell adds a dimension to the passing game that none of our current RB's can, I'd like to see how Mostert would look if he had the opportunity to focus on this in the off-season. Remember that Mostert started his college career as a WR and was converted to a RB for his senior year (although he only caught one pass in his first 3 years as he was primarily used as a kick returner). But since he was listed as a WR for his first 3 years and presumably practiced with the other WR's, he may be able to become a bigger weapon in the passing game than he currently provides.

Maybe Jalen Hurd could line up in the backfield a bit next season.

I’m really excited to see what Jalen Hurd can do. Going to pay real close attention to him during the offseason.

[Samurai]

I think everyone would like to have Bell, but I would much rather have a starting CB or an upgrade at C (or re-sign Armstead for that matter, which I'm against). Niners are built for the long term, so it's not a good idea to start blowing up salary caps for the short term by trying to do it all.

I agree. It would be great to have Bell if we could do it without breaking the bank, but given our cap situation we have other priorities to address.

While it is true that Bell adds a dimension to the passing game that none of our current RB's can, I'd like to see how Mostert would look if he had the opportunity to focus on this in the off-season. Remember that Mostert started his college career as a WR and was converted to a RB for his senior year (although he only caught one pass in his first 3 years as he was primarily used as a kick returner). But since he was listed as a WR for his first 3 years and presumably practiced with the other WR's, he may be able to become a bigger weapon in the passing game than he currently provides.

Maybe Jalen Hurd could line up in the backfield a bit next season.

I'm guessing Hurd will be willing to line up in the backfield "a few times", but given his decision to convert from RB to WR I doubt he will want to do it a lot. I just don't know where his head is at and where he draws the line between "a few times" and "a lot". But I am curious to see what he can do. He seems to be more of a "long speed" guy where he needs to build up his speed (most of his best track events were in the 200 and 400) rather than an explosively quick guy which tends to be preferable for a WR. My guess is he may be a better pure runner than Deebo given Hurd's extensive experience at RB but his receiving skills are likely more raw than Deebo's. But I would love to see what kind of plays Shanahan can devise for a guy like Hurd and if his skills can truly complement Deebo's or if they are essentially replicating the same skill sets.

[NinerSickness]

Maybe Jalen Hurd could line up in the backfield a bit next season.
I'm guessing Hurd will be willing to line up in the backfield "a few times", but given his decision to convert from RB to WR I doubt he will want to do it a lot.

Hurd will do WTF he's told or get traded. He's essentially a rookie, and he's not going to be a starter. If Shannahan wants a bench guy / situational player to play snaps on special teams, at RB, TE, FB or at friggn' QB, then that's where he'll play.

[Jikkle]

I doubt Shanahan got Hurd because he planned to line him up in the backfield a lot.

Knowing what I've seen from Shanahan he got Hurd because he knows he can line him up at RB, WR, and TE and that's a dream for a coach that loves misdirection and deception.

Another reason for Hurd is the same reason he wanted Deebo and that's to have a WR that runs like an RB because those guys are monsters when it comes to YAC. So Kyle is thinking that he just has to scheme to get the ball to Hurd with some space and let Hurd do the rest.

And given his size Kyle probably figures Hurd would be an excellent blocker on the outside as well. At 6 4 and 230 he could probably effectively block almost anyone in the second level.

[NinerSickness]

I doubt Shanahan got Hurd because he planned to line him up in the backfield a lot.

Agreed. But Hurd probably won’t play a lot at all. In fact, I think he’ll get most of his snaps in 2-TE sets like the Niners used to do with Delanie Walker.

He’s going to have to fit where there’s a need, and I’m guessing some of those plays will be at RB. Especially because he’d be a huge mismatch in the passing game (LBs covering him).

[Samurai]

Maybe Jalen Hurd could line up in the backfield a bit next season.
I'm guessing Hurd will be willing to line up in the backfield "a few times", but given his decision to convert from RB to WR I doubt he will want to do it a lot.

[b]Hurd will do WTF he's told or get traded.[/b] He's essentially a rookie, and he's not going to be a starter. If Shannahan wants a bench guy / situational player to play snaps on special teams, at RB, TE, FB or at friggn' QB, then that's where he'll play.

Remember you are talking about a guy who walked away from UT, with the NFL draft beckoning, because of his principles in not wanting to be a RB any longer. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like that just walks away again if he's forced to do something that doesn't align with his principles.