2020 NBA Draft

[Marcus]

Thats a spicy take.

Dont think its that crazy of a take. Super raw athletic forwards. Grant to me is the better athlete but Precious is going to be a lot stronger than Grant. But I dont really see Precious having all that different of a role in the NBA than Grant does. Precious on ball skills are non transferable to the NBA, no team is going to be wanting him to try and create his own shot. He also isn't a good shooter either. Maybe you can hope for a Montrez Harrell kind of player, but I think the Grant take is pretty accurate.

Beat me to it - actually your post was much better than mine.

Mofo is good for that.

[clyde21]

Grant is a pretty useful player at the top of the rotation, that wasn't supposed to be a dig, I like Grant, but he's very limited offensively

[King Ken]

Watching some 2001 college Basketball. We are in a much MUCH Better place in 2020 in terms of the talent and polish across college basketball in 2020.

[karkinos]

since when did 3pt rate become a thing

this conversation is hilarious

So because you don't understand a stat, you're laughing at the idea of it being useful? From my viewpoint, this is hilarious.

no
i think that to attribute a decline in 3 point rate to a single interpretation aka "reluctant" is narrow minded and ignorant
has it occurred to you that he is making higher percentage of 3pt shots because he might be improving his shot selection?

i think putting all your eggs into one basket about a player being reluctant to shoot based on the frequency of 3 point attempts relative to his overall attempts is a tough perspective to sell.

confidence and being comfortable shooting a shot is one thing
making the right basketball play and choosing the higher percentage shot is another. choosing the better play is not being "reluctant". if anything, this whole conversation may stem from the extremely poor diction. reluctant implies hesitance or lack of confidence. are you trying to defend the position that trey young actually feels less confident when shooting a 3 pointer? because that is essentially the root of what you are implying when you are saying his declining 3 point rate is related to a reluctance to shoot. just so you know, you can have all the confidence in the world to take a 3 point shot but also recognize that there is a better and higher percentage play option available. choosing not to take that shot does not reflect on your confidence or suggest "reluctance".

[DirtyDez]

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[Feel_the_Heat15]

since when did 3pt rate become a thing

this conversation is hilarious

So because you don't understand a stat, you're laughing at the idea of it being useful? From my viewpoint, this is hilarious.

no
i think that to attribute a decline in 3 point rate to a single interpretation aka "reluctant" is narrow minded and ignorant
has it occurred to you that he is making higher percentage of 3pt shots because he might be improving his shot selection?

i think putting all your eggs into one basket about a player being reluctant to shoot based on the frequency of 3 point attempts relative to his overall attempts is a tough perspective to sell.

confidence and being comfortable shooting a shot is one thing
making the right basketball play and choosing the higher percentage shot is another. choosing the better play is not being "reluctant". if anything, this whole conversation may stem from the extremely poor diction. reluctant implies hesitance or lack of confidence. are you trying to defend the position that trey young actually feels less confident when shooting a 3 pointer? because that is essentially the root of what you are implying when you are saying his declining 3 point rate is related to a reluctance to shoot. just so you know, you can have all the confidence in the world to take a 3 point shot but also recognize that there is a better and higher percentage play option available. choosing not to take that shot does not reflect on your confidence or suggest "reluctance".

You're not arguing that Tre Jones isn't a reluctant 3-point shooter, you're arguing that his shot selection has improved. Since when did having better shot selection and being a reluctant 3-point shooter become mutually exclusive things? Either way, this changes nothing. My entire point is that Tre Jones has seen a decrease in the volume of 3s he takes which is 100% factually correct. It just seems like you don't like my application of the word "reluctant" which essentially doesn't matter.

[karkinos]

So because you don't understand a stat, you're laughing at the idea of it being useful? From my viewpoint, this is hilarious.

no
i think that to attribute a decline in 3 point rate to a single interpretation aka "reluctant" is narrow minded and ignorant
has it occurred to you that he is making higher percentage of 3pt shots because he might be improving his shot selection?

i think putting all your eggs into one basket about a player being reluctant to shoot based on the frequency of 3 point attempts relative to his overall attempts is a tough perspective to sell.

confidence and being comfortable shooting a shot is one thing
making the right basketball play and choosing the higher percentage shot is another. choosing the better play is not being "reluctant". if anything, this whole conversation may stem from the extremely poor diction. reluctant implies hesitance or lack of confidence. are you trying to defend the position that trey young actually feels less confident when shooting a 3 pointer? because that is essentially the root of what you are implying when you are saying his declining 3 point rate is related to a reluctance to shoot. just so you know, you can have all the confidence in the world to take a 3 point shot but also recognize that there is a better and higher percentage play option available. choosing not to take that shot does not reflect on your confidence or suggest "reluctance".

You're not arguing that Tre Jones isn't a reluctant 3-point shooter, you're arguing that his shot selection has improved. Since when did having better shot selection and being a reluctant 3-point shooter become mutually exclusive things? Either way, this changes nothing. My entire point is that Tre Jones has seen a decrease in the volume of 3s he takes which is 100% factually correct. It just seems like you don't like my application of the word "reluctant" which essentially doesn't matter.

They aren't mutually exclusive and that is why your choice of words to use "reluctant" is poor diction.

Rate is not volume so good luck trying to negotiate that sentence.

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[Feel_the_Heat15]

no
i think that to attribute a decline in 3 point rate to a single interpretation aka "reluctant" is narrow minded and ignorant
has it occurred to you that he is making higher percentage of 3pt shots because he might be improving his shot selection?

i think putting all your eggs into one basket about a player being reluctant to shoot based on the frequency of 3 point attempts relative to his overall attempts is a tough perspective to sell.

confidence and being comfortable shooting a shot is one thing
making the right basketball play and choosing the higher percentage shot is another. choosing the better play is not being "reluctant". if anything, this whole conversation may stem from the extremely poor diction. reluctant implies hesitance or lack of confidence. are you trying to defend the position that trey young actually feels less confident when shooting a 3 pointer? because that is essentially the root of what you are implying when you are saying his declining 3 point rate is related to a reluctance to shoot. just so you know, you can have all the confidence in the world to take a 3 point shot but also recognize that there is a better and higher percentage play option available. choosing not to take that shot does not reflect on your confidence or suggest "reluctance".

You're not arguing that Tre Jones isn't a reluctant 3-point shooter, you're arguing that his shot selection has improved. Since when did having better shot selection and being a reluctant 3-point shooter become mutually exclusive things? Either way, this changes nothing. My entire point is that Tre Jones has seen a decrease in the volume of 3s he takes which is 100% factually correct. It just seems like you don't like my application of the word "reluctant" which essentially doesn't matter.

They aren't mutually exclusive and that is why your choice of words to use "reluctant" is poor diction.

Rate is not volume so good luck trying to negotiate that sentence.

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But you're the one who made it seem like they were mutually exclusive . You know what I mean by reluctance and volume and you're just trying to dodge having to respond to me stating that Tre isn't actually shooting more 3s. Until you do I'm not replying to you any further on this topic.

[Roddy B for 3]

So because you don't understand a stat, you're laughing at the idea of it being useful? From my viewpoint, this is hilarious.

no
i think that to attribute a decline in 3 point rate to a single interpretation aka "reluctant" is narrow minded and ignorant
has it occurred to you that he is making higher percentage of 3pt shots because he might be improving his shot selection?

i think putting all your eggs into one basket about a player being reluctant to shoot based on the frequency of 3 point attempts relative to his overall attempts is a tough perspective to sell.

confidence and being comfortable shooting a shot is one thing
making the right basketball play and choosing the higher percentage shot is another. choosing the better play is not being "reluctant". if anything, this whole conversation may stem from the extremely poor diction. reluctant implies hesitance or lack of confidence. are you trying to defend the position that trey young actually feels less confident when shooting a 3 pointer? because that is essentially the root of what you are implying when you are saying his declining 3 point rate is related to a reluctance to shoot. just so you know, you can have all the confidence in the world to take a 3 point shot but also recognize that there is a better and higher percentage play option available. choosing not to take that shot does not reflect on your confidence or suggest "reluctance".

You're not arguing that Tre Jones isn't a reluctant 3-point shooter, you're arguing that his shot selection has improved. Since when did having better shot selection and being a reluctant 3-point shooter become mutually exclusive things? Either way, this changes nothing. My entire point is that Tre Jones has seen a decrease in the volume of 3s he takes which is 100% factually correct. It just seems like you don't like my application of the word "reluctant" which essentially doesn't matter.

Google, define Volume:

noun
1. a book forming part of a work or series.
2. The amount of space that a substance or object occupies, or that is enclosed within a container, especially when great.
"the sewer could not cope with the volume of rainwater."

Your saying words that don't make sense.

If you think 3point rate is a more accurate way to judge a prospects future shooting 3's say that. Show examples to back up your case or just say it and leave it there.

But first your argument was 3point rate mattered most, now it's just "volume" of threes decreased. What does that even mean?

His total three point shot made per game is very much up. And the % that he makes is up, even with the increased volume.

The % of his shots that are threes compared to the rest of his FGA's are down. If you think that is what matters when evaluating a prospect stick to it.

But you don't, you change you answer after a page if arguing. It was about his "three point rate" being down now it's about "his volume of threes" being down (whatever that means).

The part that is really bothering is you "put words in people's mouth" every post (it seems like you doing that to translate what others are saying) and then accuse other people of putting words in you mouth (when they appear to be trying to translate what your saying).

How can anyone understand you when you say things like his "volume" of threes went down.

You just blah blah blah.
You: "Blah blah blah his three point rate is down!"

Other posters: "Well his three point attempts, makes and % is up."

You: "Blah blah blah stop putting words in my mouth blah blah blah my point is, his volume is down"

Me: "that's not how to use that word and you changed your premise."

What I expect you to say: "blah blah blah stop putting words in my mouth blah blah blah".

[karkinos]

You're not arguing that Tre Jones isn't a reluctant 3-point shooter, you're arguing that his shot selection has improved. Since when did having better shot selection and being a reluctant 3-point shooter become mutually exclusive things? Either way, this changes nothing. My entire point is that Tre Jones has seen a decrease in the volume of 3s he takes which is 100% factually correct. It just seems like you don't like my application of the word "reluctant" which essentially doesn't matter.

They aren't mutually exclusive and that is why your choice of words to use "reluctant" is poor diction.

Rate is not volume so good luck trying to negotiate that sentence.

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But you're the one who made it seem like they were mutually exclusive . You know what I mean by reluctance and volume and you're just trying to dodge having to respond to me stating that Tre isn't actually shooting more 3s. Until you do I'm not replying to you any further on this topic.

No you're not reading carefully.
I told you not to put all your eggs in one basket. I had to emphasize the other position to show you that more than one possibility exists.

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[Feel_the_Heat15]

no
i think that to attribute a decline in 3 point rate to a single interpretation aka "reluctant" is narrow minded and ignorant
has it occurred to you that he is making higher percentage of 3pt shots because he might be improving his shot selection?

i think putting all your eggs into one basket about a player being reluctant to shoot based on the frequency of 3 point attempts relative to his overall attempts is a tough perspective to sell.

confidence and being comfortable shooting a shot is one thing
making the right basketball play and choosing the higher percentage shot is another. choosing the better play is not being "reluctant". if anything, this whole conversation may stem from the extremely poor diction. reluctant implies hesitance or lack of confidence. are you trying to defend the position that trey young actually feels less confident when shooting a 3 pointer? because that is essentially the root of what you are implying when you are saying his declining 3 point rate is related to a reluctance to shoot. just so you know, you can have all the confidence in the world to take a 3 point shot but also recognize that there is a better and higher percentage play option available. choosing not to take that shot does not reflect on your confidence or suggest "reluctance".

You're not arguing that Tre Jones isn't a reluctant 3-point shooter, you're arguing that his shot selection has improved. Since when did having better shot selection and being a reluctant 3-point shooter become mutually exclusive things? Either way, this changes nothing. My entire point is that Tre Jones has seen a decrease in the volume of 3s he takes which is 100% factually correct. It just seems like you don't like my application of the word "reluctant" which essentially doesn't matter.

Google, define Volume:

noun
1. a book forming part of a work or series.
2. The amount of space that a substance or object occupies, or that is enclosed within a container, especially when great.
"the sewer could not cope with the volume of rainwater."

Your saying words that don't make sense.

If you think 3point rate is a more accurate way to judge a prospects future shooting 3's say that. Show examples to back up your case or just say it and leave it there.

But first your argument was 3point rate mattered most, now it's just "volume" of threes decreased. What does that even mean?

His total three point shot made per game is very much up. And the % that he makes is up, even with the increased volume.

The % of his shots that are threes compared to the rest of his FGA's are down. If you think that is what matters when evaluating a prospect stick to it.

But you don't, you change you answer after a page if arguing. It was about his "three point rate" being down now it's about "his volume of threes" being down (whatever that means).

The part that is really bothering is you "put words in people's mouth" every post (it seems like you doing that to translate what others are saying) and then accuse other people of putting words in you mouth (when they appear to be trying to translate what your saying).

How can anyone understand you when you say things like his "volume" of threes went down.

You just blah blah blah.
You: "Blah blah blah his three point rate is down!"

Other posters: "Well his three point attempts, makes and % is up."

You: "Blah blah blah stop putting words in my mouth blah blah blah my point is, his volume is down"

Me: "that's not how to use that word and you changed your premise."

What I expect you to say: "blah blah blah stop putting words in my mouth blah blah blah".

You say that I don't make sense and you didn't even use the correct "you're". You can't make this stuff up . I'm not even going to address most of the garbage in that post. You never heard the phrase "volume shooter" before? Again, you people are just arguing verbiage instead of the actual argument. Not once in your entire post did you provide a counterargument to my argument that Jones is attempting 3s less frequently.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

They aren't mutually exclusive and that is why your choice of words to use "reluctant" is poor diction.

Rate is not volume so good luck trying to negotiate that sentence.

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But you're the one who made it seem like they were mutually exclusive . You know what I mean by reluctance and volume and you're just trying to dodge having to respond to me stating that Tre isn't actually shooting more 3s. Until you do I'm not replying to you any further on this topic.

No you're not reading carefully.
I told you not to put all your eggs in one basket. I had to emphasize the other position to show you that more than one possibility exists.

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Is Tre Jones attempting 3s at a lower rate?

[karkinos]

No.

Rate is most commonly used with relation to time
Most people define rate per 48 which most easily translates to per game averages

The most common interpretation of rate in the general public uses games as the common denominator and therefore 3 point attempts per game directly correlates to what is interpreted as the rate.

Your personal definition of rate as a measure of proportion of shots (3pt attempts divided by the total) is a misnomer. Furthermore, the application and interpretation of your self defined stat makes little sense to most people because there simply hasn't been strong evidence to support the claims you're making.

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[Roddy B for 3]

You're not arguing that Tre Jones isn't a reluctant 3-point shooter, you're arguing that his shot selection has improved. Since when did having better shot selection and being a reluctant 3-point shooter become mutually exclusive things? Either way, this changes nothing. My entire point is that Tre Jones has seen a decrease in the volume of 3s he takes which is 100% factually correct. It just seems like you don't like my application of the word "reluctant" which essentially doesn't matter.

Google, define Volume:

noun
1. a book forming part of a work or series.
2. The amount of space that a substance or object occupies, or that is enclosed within a container, especially when great.
"the sewer could not cope with the volume of rainwater."

Your saying words that don't make sense.

If you think 3point rate is a more accurate way to judge a prospects future shooting 3's say that. Show examples to back up your case or just say it and leave it there.

But first your argument was 3point rate mattered most, now it's just "volume" of threes decreased. What does that even mean?

His total three point shot made per game is very much up. And the % that he makes is up, even with the increased volume.

The % of his shots that are threes compared to the rest of his FGA's are down. If you think that is what matters when evaluating a prospect stick to it.

But you don't, you change you answer after a page if arguing. It was about his "three point rate" being down now it's about "his volume of threes" being down (whatever that means).

The part that is really bothering is you "put words in people's mouth" every post (it seems like you doing that to translate what others are saying) and then accuse other people of putting words in you mouth (when they appear to be trying to translate what your saying).

How can anyone understand you when you say things like his "volume" of threes went down.

You just blah blah blah.
You: "Blah blah blah his three point rate is down!"

Other posters: "Well his three point attempts, makes and % is up."

You: "Blah blah blah stop putting words in my mouth blah blah blah my point is, his volume is down"

Me: "that's not how to use that word and you changed your premise."

What I expect you to say: "blah blah blah stop putting words in my mouth blah blah blah".

You say that I don't make sense and you didn't even use the correct "you're". You can't make this stuff up . I'm not even going to address most of the garbage in that post. You never heard the phrase "volume shooter" before? Again, you people are just arguing verbiage instead of the actual argument. Not once in your entire post did you provide a counterargument to my argument that Jones is attempting 3s less frequently.

Your previous post you said "My entire point is Tre Jones has decreased the volume of threes he has taken and that's 100% factually correct."

This most recent post from you says "Not once in your entire post did you provide a conterargument to my argument Tre Jones is attempting threes at a lesser rate."

For someone who doesn't like people putting words in your mouth you put words in people's mouth alot. I'm not trying about Tre Jones attempted threes at a lesser rate than he did before.

You also accuse people of being argumentative but you say I "didn't provide a counter argument bto your argument.".

I'm not trying to argue with you. I have no intion of arguing with you. Just straight up facts and questions.

Fact: Tre Jones has shot more threes and made more this year.
Fact: Tre Jones is making a higher percentage of his three point attempts this year
Fact: Tre Jones has attempted threes at a lower rate than last year, this year.

Question: Do you have examples to back up your claim that three point rate is much more indicative of future NBA three point shooting success than attempts/% on those attempts?

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Google, define Volume:

noun
1. a book forming part of a work or series.
2. The amount of space that a substance or object occupies, or that is enclosed within a container, especially when great.
"the sewer could not cope with the volume of rainwater."

Your saying words that don't make sense.

If you think 3point rate is a more accurate way to judge a prospects future shooting 3's say that. Show examples to back up your case or just say it and leave it there.

But first your argument was 3point rate mattered most, now it's just "volume" of threes decreased. What does that even mean?

His total three point shot made per game is very much up. And the % that he makes is up, even with the increased volume.

The % of his shots that are threes compared to the rest of his FGA's are down. If you think that is what matters when evaluating a prospect stick to it.

But you don't, you change you answer after a page if arguing. It was about his "three point rate" being down now it's about "his volume of threes" being down (whatever that means).

The part that is really bothering is you "put words in people's mouth" every post (it seems like you doing that to translate what others are saying) and then accuse other people of putting words in you mouth (when they appear to be trying to translate what your saying).

How can anyone understand you when you say things like his "volume" of threes went down.

You just blah blah blah.
You: "Blah blah blah his three point rate is down!"

Other posters: "Well his three point attempts, makes and % is up."

You: "Blah blah blah stop putting words in my mouth blah blah blah my point is, his volume is down"

Me: "that's not how to use that word and you changed your premise."

What I expect you to say: "blah blah blah stop putting words in my mouth blah blah blah".

You say that I don't make sense and you didn't even use the correct "you're". You can't make this stuff up . I'm not even going to address most of the garbage in that post. You never heard the phrase "volume shooter" before? Again, you people are just arguing verbiage instead of the actual argument. Not once in your entire post did you provide a counterargument to my argument that Jones is attempting 3s less frequently.

Your previous post you said "My entire point is Tre Jones has decreased the volume of threes he has taken and that's 100% factually correct."

This most recent post from you says "Not once in your entire post did you provide a conterargument to my argument Tre Jones is attempting threes at a lesser rate."

For someone who doesn't like people putting words in your mouth you put words in people's mouth alot. I'm not trying about Tre Jones attempted threes at a lesser rate than he did before.

You also accuse people of being argumentative but you say I "didn't provide a counter argument bto your argument.".

I'm not trying to argue with you. I have no intion of arguing with you. Just straight up facts and questions.

Fact: Tre Jones has shot more threes and made more this year.
Fact: Tre Jones is making a higher percentage of his three point attempts this year
Fact: Tre Jones has attempted threes at a lower rate than last year, this year.

Question: Do you have examples to back up your claim that three point rate is much more indicative of future NBA three point shooting success than attempts/% on those attempts?

Where did I put words in your mouth? What are you disagreeing with me on exactly because once again this is all about Tre Jones shooting 3s at a lower rate. Notice how like 80% of your post isn't even related to the topic.

[Roddy B for 3]

You say that I don't make sense and you didn't even use the correct "you're". You can't make this stuff up . I'm not even going to address most of the garbage in that post. You never heard the phrase "volume shooter" before? Again, you people are just arguing verbiage instead of the actual argument. Not once in your entire post did you provide a counterargument to my argument that Jones is attempting 3s less frequently.

Your previous post you said "My entire point is Tre Jones has decreased the volume of threes he has taken and that's 100% factually correct."

This most recent post from you says "Not once in your entire post did you provide a conterargument to my argument Tre Jones is attempting threes at a lesser rate."

For someone who doesn't like people putting words in your mouth you put words in people's mouth alot. I'm not trying about Tre Jones attempted threes at a lesser rate than he did before.

You also accuse people of being argumentative but you say I "didn't provide a counter argument bto your argument.".

I'm not trying to argue with you. I have no intion of arguing with you. Just straight up facts and questions.

Fact: Tre Jones has shot more threes and made more this year.
Fact: Tre Jones is making a higher percentage of his three point attempts this year
Fact: Tre Jones has attempted threes at a lower rate than last year, this year.

Question: Do you have examples to back up your claim that three point rate is much more indicative of future NBA three point shooting success than attempts/% on those attempts?

Where did I put words in your mouth? What are you disagreeing with me on exactly because once again this is all about Tre Jones shooting 3s at a lower rate. Notice how like 80% of your post isn't even related to the topic.

Ok let's stay on topic.

@Feel_The_Heat15 you claim three point rate is a more accurate way to judge future NBA three point shooting than increase in attempts and percentage. Do you have evidence to back that up?

[Roddy B for 3]

So because you don't understand a stat, you're laughing at the idea of it being useful? From my viewpoint, this is hilarious.

no
i think that to attribute a decline in 3 point rate to a single interpretation aka "reluctant" is narrow minded and ignorant
has it occurred to you that he is making higher percentage of 3pt shots because he might be improving his shot selection?

i think putting all your eggs into one basket about a player being reluctant to shoot based on the frequency of 3 point attempts relative to his overall attempts is a tough perspective to sell.

confidence and being comfortable shooting a shot is one thing
making the right basketball play and choosing the higher percentage shot is another. choosing the better play is not being "reluctant". if anything, this whole conversation may stem from the extremely poor diction. reluctant implies hesitance or lack of confidence. are you trying to defend the position that trey young actually feels less confident when shooting a 3 pointer? because that is essentially the root of what you are implying when you are saying his declining 3 point rate is related to a reluctance to shoot. just so you know, you can have all the confidence in the world to take a 3 point shot but also recognize that there is a better and higher percentage play option available. choosing not to take that shot does not reflect on your confidence or suggest "reluctance".

You're not arguing that Tre Jones isn't a reluctant 3-point shooter, you're arguing that his shot selection has improved. Since when did having better shot selection and being a reluctant 3-point shooter become mutually exclusive things? Either way, this changes nothing. My entire point is that Tre Jones has seen a decrease in the volume of 3s he takes which is 100% factually correct. It just seems like you don't like my application of the word "reluctant" which essentially doesn't matter.

[Roddy B for 3]

You're not arguing that Tre Jones isn't a reluctant 3-point shooter, you're arguing that his shot selection has improved. Since when did having better shot selection and being a reluctant 3-point shooter become mutually exclusive things? Either way, this changes nothing. My entire point is that Tre Jones has seen a decrease in the volume of 3s he takes which is 100% factually correct. It just seems like you don't like my application of the word "reluctant" which essentially doesn't matter.

Google, define Volume:

noun
1. a book forming part of a work or series.
2. The amount of space that a substance or object occupies, or that is enclosed within a container, especially when great.
"the sewer could not cope with the volume of rainwater."

Your saying words that don't make sense.

If you think 3point rate is a more accurate way to judge a prospects future shooting 3's say that. Show examples to back up your case or just say it and leave it there.

But first your argument was 3point rate mattered most, now it's just "volume" of threes decreased. What does that even mean?

His total three point shot made per game is very much up. And the % that he makes is up, even with the increased volume.

The % of his shots that are threes compared to the rest of his FGA's are down. If you think that is what matters when evaluating a prospect stick to it.

But you don't, you change you answer after a page if arguing. It was about his "three point rate" being down now it's about "his volume of threes" being down (whatever that means).

The part that is really bothering is you "put words in people's mouth" every post (it seems like you doing that to translate what others are saying) and then accuse other people of putting words in you mouth (when they appear to be trying to translate what your saying).

How can anyone understand you when you say things like his "volume" of threes went down.

You just blah blah blah.
You: "Blah blah blah his three point rate is down!"

Other posters: "Well his three point attempts, makes and % is up."

You: "Blah blah blah stop putting words in my mouth blah blah blah my point is, his volume is down"

Me: "that's not how to use that word and you changed your premise."

What I expect you to say: "blah blah blah stop putting words in my mouth blah blah blah".

You say that I don't make sense and you didn't even use the correct "you're". You can't make this stuff up . I'm not even going to address most of the garbage in that post. You never heard the phrase "volume shooter" before? Again, you people are just arguing verbiage instead of the actual argument. Not once in your entire post did you provide a counterargument to my argument that Jones is attempting 3s less frequently.

Are you arguing Tre Jones has attempted threes at a lesser rate or a lesser "volume"?

I believe originally you were arguing rate is more indicative of future success.

If your arguing Tre Jones is taking threes at a lesser rate that appears to be true.
If your arguing Tre Jones is taking less threes in total your wrong.
If your arguing Tre Jones is shooting threes at a worse percentage, your wrong.
If your arguing that Tre Jones is making less threes, your wrong
If your arguing three point rate is more indicative of future three point shooting ability, will you please back up your claims?

The problem is you keep moving the goal post of what your arguing about.

Which is why I bolded your comment is this post and the post previous to this one. I wish I could have done it more efficiently and bolded both your comments in the single post, but I'm using my phone and it is difficult, so I figured this would be just as effective.

The bolded in this post + the bolded in the post previous to this prove you change what you are arguing about and again:

If your arguing Tre Jones is taking threes at a lesser rate that appears to be true.
If your arguing Tre Jones is taking less threes in total your wrong.
If your arguing Tre Jones is shooting threes at a worse percentage, your wrong.
If your arguing that Tre Jones is making less threes, your wrong
If your arguing three point rate is more indicative of future three point shooting ability, will you please back up your claims?

[Roddy B for 3]

Tre went from shooting 26% on 2.9 attempts from 3 last year to 36% on 3.8 attempts this year, that's a monstrous improvement, I'm not sure at all at this point that Theo is gonna be a better shooter. Tre's also a better FT shooter by a decent margin.

Maxey will be a better shooter/scorer that's pretty obvious to me, but Tre is better at literally everything else...obviously scoring is a huge part of it but Maxey projects more as a scoring guard off the bench but Tre can legitimately run offense and is one of the best point of attack defending guards to come out in a long time

That's misleading, he's attempting less 3s per field goal attempt this season than he did last season. College 3-point percentages do not strongly predict what a player may shoot from 3-point range in the NBA. His FT% is down from last season. You're downplaying just how much more important it is for a player to be a good shooter than a facilitator that can defend in today's NBA, especially a PG. I don't really have one guard over the other. If you want to play it safe, draft Tre. I don't think any of them are really 1st round material anyways.

Do you see your original point on the subject was different still from your two most recent claims of "my point is".

What is your point?

These are facts.

Tre Jones is shooting more threes this year.
Tre Jones is making threes at a higher percentage this year.
Tre Jones is making more total three point shots this year.
Tre Jones three point percentage is down.

None of this is arguing. Those are laid out facts.

What are you being argumentative about? Like I've clearly laid out you have changed your "point" multiple times.

[clyde21]

why are people still paying attention to this troll? he pollutes every thread he's in with garbage, ignore him