Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

[nate33]

https://tradenba.com/trades/uJJox1qSQ

Wiz get : Grant Williams, Milton, O'Quinn , Burke, 2020 first (bucks, from Boston.)

Pistons get: Hayward , Z.smith, bolden, 2020 first (Boston) , 2020 second ( Dallas )

76ers get : Rose , Morris , McRae.

Boston get : bertains, IT, drummand. First (OKC , won't convey , 2 seconds future)

Wiz get a decent return on bertains and McRae. They get a look at two young guys and a late first. The wizards cut Burke and O'Quinn . This is all about adding assets

Pistons move on from drummand Morris, and rose get something for them. They get a first and a second , and Smith and bolden. A good infusion of youth to a stagnant team. Hayword gives them a chance to cash out on a decent player on a one year deal on durring a summer where a lot of teams have cap room but not with a lot of free agents on the market!

76ers get Rose and McRae and Morris . Three players that fill what they need most. Scoring, shooting and another ball handler. Those three balance that team and are affordable options this year and next. All it costs them are 4 players they don't play and a few seconds non of which are theirz and of which they have plenty to burn. It's a bit of an over pay but in the situation they are in it's worth it. They can then play the buy out market and maybe bring in a couple more vets they also still have picks to use 3 seconds this year, 2 high ones, to continue tweaking the team.

Boston goes all in. They spend yes but they hedge Their bets, they keep the best pick they have and still get the future second from OKC. They trade 2 firsts and two good young players and Hayward for upgrades. Bertians for Hayward is about even but drummand is a massive upgrade and they don't loose any depth upfront with bertains on that bench or in that starting lineup, the other young wings on Boston can step up.

This is all about Boston and the 76ers going for it while the wiz and the Pistons rebuild.

I posted this to the general trade page.


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We're going to need some consolidation trades if this happens. There's no way to develop all the marginal young players on the roster.

How are you going to find minutes for: Brown, Bryant, Wagner, Hachimura, Bonga, Mathews, Schofield, Williams, Milton, Pasecniks, 2020 WAS 1st, 2020 MIL 1st, 2020 WAS 2nd? Wall, Beal and Ish would go nuts playing with that many youngsters and no reliable vets.

[gambitx777]

Imo if those was pulled off. You would take admiral the late first and the second and move up to the late loto or both firsts and the second and maybe that buys you a top 3

https://tradenba.com/trades/uJJox1qSQ

Wiz get : Grant Williams, Milton, O'Quinn , Burke, 2020 first (bucks, from Boston.)

Pistons get: Hayward , Z.smith, bolden, 2020 first (Boston) , 2020 second ( Dallas )

76ers get : Rose , Morris , McRae.

Boston get : bertains, IT, drummand. First (OKC , won't convey , 2 seconds future)

Wiz get a decent return on bertains and McRae. They get a look at two young guys and a late first. The wizards cut Burke and O'Quinn . This is all about adding assets

Pistons move on from drummand Morris, and rose get something for them. They get a first and a second , and Smith and bolden. A good infusion of youth to a stagnant team. Hayword gives them a chance to cash out on a decent player on a one year deal on durring a summer where a lot of teams have cap room but not with a lot of free agents on the market!

76ers get Rose and McRae and Morris . Three players that fill what they need most. Scoring, shooting and another ball handler. Those three balance that team and are affordable options this year and next. All it costs them are 4 players they don't play and a few seconds non of which are theirz and of which they have plenty to burn. It's a bit of an over pay but in the situation they are in it's worth it. They can then play the buy out market and maybe bring in a couple more vets they also still have picks to use 3 seconds this year, 2 high ones, to continue tweaking the team.

Boston goes all in. They spend yes but they hedge Their bets, they keep the best pick they have and still get the future second from OKC. They trade 2 firsts and two good young players and Hayward for upgrades. Bertians for Hayward is about even but drummand is a massive upgrade and they don't loose any depth upfront with bertains on that bench or in that starting lineup, the other young wings on Boston can step up.

This is all about Boston and the 76ers going for it while the wiz and the Pistons rebuild.

I posted this to the general trade page.


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We're going to need some consolidation trades if this happens. There's no way to develop all the marginal young players on the roster.

How are you going to find minutes for: Brown, Bryant, Wagner, Hachimura, Bonga, Mathews, Schofield, Williams, Milton, Pasecniks, 2020 WAS 1st, 2020 MIL 1st, 2020 WAS 2nd? Wall, Beal and Ish would go nuts playing with that many youngsters and no reliable vets.

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[doclinkin]

PIF, just curious, if you were *forced* to try to build to win--what type of trades would you be looking for, assuming we needed to keep Brad and John?

Great question. I wish I had a great answer!

I assume that by "win," you don't mean "win everything," & you don't mean "win eventually" (i.e. rebuild). Instead, you mean win at a "respectable" level -- i.e. make the playoffs, hopefully not in the 8th spot -- & you mean "win now" (i.e. ASAP).

Concretely, that might translate to 1) try to sneak into the #8 position this year, & 2) then get in next year at a higher spot.

Lets say "winning" means: have a winning percentage in the post season over the length of the Wall/Beal contracts. Count this year as a lost year with Wall injured and gone for most of the season. Start next year. What's the best you can do.

[Shoe]

Davis Bertans + Thomas Bryant for Clint Capella? Bryant is younger and cheaper and locked up for the next two years. Plus he'll shoot 3's. Is there any cap reason the Rockets would look at this?

[gambitx777]

100% huston does this but they would have to give us a first. Because they are over a barrel as is and you take what you can get when you can get it. Bertains is the win they have been looking for and braynt is is a cheaper younger center option .

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[gambitx777]

Maybe a 4 way that some how let's the wiz keep Bryant he's the perfect spark center off the bench and Mo is more of a PF anyway !

Wizards out : bertains , Ian Mahinmi 2020 second round pick.

Wiz in : capela. First (Huston)

Rockets out: capela, 2020 first 2020 second 2021 second.

Rockets in : bynes , bertains , saric

Mavs out: Lee

Mavs in : Ian Mahinmi, cash from the wiz and Huston .

Sun's out: bynes and saric

Suns in : Lee , 2020 second (wiz via chi or mem) 2020 second (Huston ) 2021 second (Huston )

The rockets go all in. And trun that 15 mill into 2 possible starters and a rotation player.

The wiz make a really great move based on the good play of their young wings and get an asset in return and upgrade their starting center position.

Dallas sures up that back up center position that's a bit fragile. WCS and boban are fragile and you don't want porzingas at center for too many minutes. The don't give up anything and they get cash in hand for it.

The sun's get a few picks for two guys that they probably arnt going to have on the team next year both of which could get well over paid in free agency !

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[payitforward]

PIF, just curious, if you were *forced* to try to build to win--what type of trades would you be looking for, assuming we needed to keep Brad and John?

Great question. I wish I had a great answer!

I assume that by "win," you don't mean "win everything," & you don't mean "win eventually" (i.e. rebuild). Instead, you mean win at a "respectable" level -- i.e. make the playoffs, hopefully not in the 8th spot -- & you mean "win now" (i.e. ASAP).

Concretely, that might translate to 1) try to sneak into the #8 position this year, & 2) then get in next year at a higher spot.

Lets say "winning" means: have a winning percentage in the post season over the length of the Wall/Beal contracts. Count this year as a lost year with Wall injured and gone for most of the season. Start next year. What's the best you can do.

Well... first you gotta get into the playoffs: only then can you have a winning (or a losing) %.

I'm sure you like everyone remembers the perennial Ernie statement: "our goal is to make the playoffs." Beyond that, it was all about "getting hot at the right time."

My concern is that they haven't yet gotten over that ridiculous idea -- that playoff success (i.e. contention for a title -- the only real measure of success) depends on "getting hot" as opposed to what it really depends on: having the best team. Or, really, that Ted embraces this idea. That's my real concern, that I think he does.

In which case it's all about "let's get in" & not about "let's build a superior team." Or, to say it in its true form: let's be "respectable;" the rest doesn't really matter. I think that -- not playoff winning % -- is where Ted is at. I've thought it ever since he blinked after 2 years of sucking & made the Okariza trade as opposed to actually continuing to build/rebuild.

Evidence? Well... say we were to slip into #8 this year -- wouldn't Ted view that as being ahead of schedule? I'd say so! But of course, it would put us behind the 8-ball in re: playoff win % for the next few years (assuming Milwaukee swept us). So... I don't think that's a metric for Ted.

I could be wrong. We'll see.

[dckingsfan]

Do you then turn around and trade one of Wagner or Bryant?

Maybe a 4 way that some how let's the wiz keep Bryant he's the perfect spark center off the bench and Mo is more of a PF anyway !

Wizards out : bertains , Ian Mahinmi 2020 second round pick.

Wiz in : capela. First (Huston)

Rockets out: capela, 2020 first 2020 second 2021 second.

Rockets in : bynes , bertains , saric

Mavs out: Lee

Mavs in : Ian Mahinmi, cash from the wiz and Huston .

Sun's out: bynes and saric

Suns in : Lee , 2020 second (wiz via chi or mem) 2020 second (Huston ) 2021 second (Huston )

The rockets go all in. And trun that 15 mill into 2 possible starters and a rotation player.

The wiz make a really great move based on the good play of their young wings and get an asset in return and upgrade their starting center position.

Dallas sures up that back up center position that's a bit fragile. WCS and boban are fragile and you don't want porzingas at center for too many minutes. The don't give up anything and they get cash in hand for it.

The sun's get a few picks for two guys that they probably arnt going to have on the team next year both of which could get well over paid in free agency !

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[gambitx777]

Imo, no. Bryant is on an affordable back up center salary and imo Mo is going to settle in and play most of his minutes at the 4 while Rui plays 4 with some 3 mixed in as brown claims the starting role and Bonga and Mathews take over back up duties. At the wing . AP is a good situational back up center when you don't want to over play your guys mid season. And brant always does better off the bench because his limited defence is covered a bit by playing against back up centers who are less athletic bigs and less offensively inclined. And his offence is amplified as such. Playing capela 20-30 minutes and giving Bryant the rest of the time is perfect and AP can still get spot minutes and be injury insurance.

Do you then turn around and trade one of Wagner or Bryant?

Maybe a 4 way that some how let's the wiz keep Bryant he's the perfect spark center off the bench and Mo is more of a PF anyway !

Wizards out : bertains , Ian Mahinmi 2020 second round pick.

Wiz in : capela. First (Huston)

Rockets out: capela, 2020 first 2020 second 2021 second.

Rockets in : bynes , bertains , saric

Mavs out: Lee

Mavs in : Ian Mahinmi, cash from the wiz and Huston .

Sun's out: bynes and saric

Suns in : Lee , 2020 second (wiz via chi or mem) 2020 second (Huston ) 2021 second (Huston )

The rockets go all in. And trun that 15 mill into 2 possible starters and a rotation player.

The wiz make a really great move based on the good play of their young wings and get an asset in return and upgrade their starting center position.

Dallas sures up that back up center position that's a bit fragile. WCS and boban are fragile and you don't want porzingas at center for too many minutes. The don't give up anything and they get cash in hand for it.

The sun's get a few picks for two guys that they probably arnt going to have on the team next year both of which could get well over paid in free agency !

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[WallToWall]

Is there any package we could put together that could land Andre Drummond, without the involvement of a 3rd team? I tried putting something together with the "Trade Checker", but it all ended in a fail.

[WallToWall]

Davis Bertans + Thomas Bryant for Clint Capella? Bryant is younger and cheaper and locked up for the next two years. Plus he'll shoot 3's. Is there any cap reason the Rockets would look at this?

Capella's bad FT percentage bother me. I dont think he can improve it. He will certainly provide the rebounds on both sides of the court, and give us east put backs and make shots from < 10 ft. I dont think (Bertans + Bryant) < = Capella. We loose a lot in that deal.

[nate33]

Is there any package we could put together that could land Andre Drummond, without the involvement of a 3rd team? I tried putting something together with the "Trade Checker", but it all ended in a fail.

We can't afford to pay a center $20-$25M a year going forward when we also have to pay Beal and Wall. Center is just not the position to be spending so much money when serviceable centers are available for cheap. I wouldn't trade for Drummond if the cost was zero.

[WallToWall]

Take a chance on DMac when he comes back from his ACL injury? He will be a FA after the season.
Really though, I would prefer to see a good young-ish prospect C with a really good high-side on the team. Wishful thinking, I know.

[payitforward]

Is there any package we could put together that could land Andre Drummond, without the involvement of a 3rd team? I tried putting something together with the "Trade Checker", but it all ended in a fail.

We can't afford to pay a center $20-$25M a year going forward when we also have to pay Beal and Wall. Center is just not the position to be spending so much money when serviceable centers are available for cheap. I wouldn't trade for Drummond if the cost was zero.

Not to mention that Drummond will earn almost $29m next season unless his agent finds a deal for significantly more in which case he'll decline his option.

Plus, "if the cost was zero," we'd have 9 guys at $128m for next year! By the time we got to 13, we'd be way over the luxury tax.

[payitforward]

Take a chance on DMac when he comes back from his ACL injury? He will be a FA after the season.
Really though, I would prefer to see a good young-ish prospect C with a really good high-side on the team. Wishful thinking, I know.

Huh? We have the best example of that in the league with the exception of Jarrett Allen -- namely Thomas Bryant. We also have 2 other young Centers -- Wagner & Pasecniks.

I'm spacing on "Dmac," sorry! Who do you mean?

[pcbothwel]

Take a chance on DMac when he comes back from his ACL injury? He will be a FA after the season.
Really though, I would prefer to see a good young-ish prospect C with a really good high-side on the team. Wishful thinking, I know.

Huh? We have the best example of that in the league with the exception of Jarrett Allen -- namely Thomas Bryant. We also have 2 other young Centers -- Wagner & Pasecniks.

I'm spacing on "Dmac," sorry! Who do you mean?

I assume he means cousins. Which I would certainly be interested at the bi annual exception. But that’s it

[Illmatic12]

Is there any package we could put together that could land Andre Drummond, without the involvement of a 3rd team? I tried putting something together with the "Trade Checker", but it all ended in a fail.

We can't afford to pay a center $20-$25M a year going forward when we also have to pay Beal and Wall. Center is just not the position to be spending so much money when serviceable centers are available for cheap. I wouldn't trade for Drummond if the cost was zero.

Why can’t we afford it? If we trade for him we have his bird rights and can go over the cap to keep him. Luxury tax is set at $139M so there’s breathing room to extend him for $20M or so.

The trade is Mahinmi + Bryant + McRae for Drummond.

I think people are failing to read the room here if you don’t see why Washington would trade for Drummond. He’s the most talented established big we can acquire with our current assets. That type of trade is what this “2-year plan” was all about .. it was never gonna be an extended rebuild. Leonsis is going to spend the money because he wants to get his Monumental Sportsbook thing off the ground

[nate33]

Is there any package we could put together that could land Andre Drummond, without the involvement of a 3rd team? I tried putting something together with the "Trade Checker", but it all ended in a fail.

We can't afford to pay a center $20-$25M a year going forward when we also have to pay Beal and Wall. Center is just not the position to be spending so much money when serviceable centers are available for cheap. I wouldn't trade for Drummond if the cost was zero.

Why can’t we afford it? If we trade for him we have his bird rights and can go over the cap to keep him. Luxury tax is set at $139M so there’s breathing room to extend him for $20M or so.

The trade is Mahinmi + Bryant + McRae for Drummond.

I think people are failing to read the room here if you don’t see why Washington would trade for Drummond. He’s the most talented established big we can acquire with our current assets. That type of trade is what this “2-year plan” was all about .. it was never gonna be an extended rebuild. Leonsis is going to spend the money because he wants to get his Monumental Sportsbook thing off the ground

Drummond will probably opt in on his $29M contract. Bertans will probably cost $15M. So those two plus Wall and Beal together cost $113M. And their cost only goes up from there. You can pretty much only put vet minimum guys and rookie contracts around them.

That core is maybe 41-wins good at best. And you can't add any more good players around them. And guys like Troy Brown and Bonga will have to be let go when their rookie contracts expire.

[nate33]

I caught the latest Nate Duncan/John Hollinger podcast. It was interesting to see their perspective of Boston and Houston. In both cases, they think the teams are highly motivated to make a big move right now. The problem is, they have picks to trade but no salary ballast to land good players. And the universe of good players with small contracts who are conceivably available is really small. It's basically just Crowder, Bertans and Bjelica.

They seemed to think that the Wizards might be able to get a king's ransom for Bertans. Like maybe two first round picks from Houston (2020 and 2022) or the Memphis pick from Boston.

I'd trade Bertans for either package. I think Memphis is going to fall out of the playoff race with Portland and San Antonio coming on strong, so that Memphis pick is going to be late lotto. Or TWO firsts from Houston, with their 2022 pick presumably being a stronger draft and who knows how good they'll be by then.

[WallToWall]

Take a chance on DMac when he comes back from his ACL injury? He will be a FA after the season.
Really though, I would prefer to see a good young-ish prospect C with a really good high-side on the team. Wishful thinking, I know.

Huh? We have the best example of that in the league with the exception of Jarrett Allen -- namely Thomas Bryant. We also have 2 other young Centers -- Wagner & Pasecniks.
I'm spacing on "Dmac," sorry! Who do you mean?

I assume he means cousins. Which I would certainly be interested at the bi annual exception. But that’s it

Yes, DeMarcus Cousins is who I was referring to. I am thinking that this late in his career, he may want to pair back up with Wall. Maybe, he may be worth a gamble.