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[lilfishi22]

I mean, it looks like JJ just had no idea what to do with Rose and unceremoniously wrote her out. A lot of what I didn't like about Rise of Skywalker was how little effort there seemed to go into the story. It just seemed like a bunch of half-cool moments strung together that doesn't make much sense as to why anything is happening.

From what I've read, she was written to have a bigger role alongside Leia but when Carrie Fisher passed away, they had to do a fair bit of rejigging of the storyboard so that it fit the narrative and unfortunately it took away many of Rose's scenes.

I'm a simpleton and the movie worked for me and I enjoyed it for what it was.

[MrMiyagi]

I mean, it looks like JJ just had no idea what to do with Rose and unceremoniously wrote her out. A lot of what I didn't like about Rise of Skywalker was how little effort there seemed to go into the story. It just seemed like a bunch of half-cool moments strung together that doesn't make much sense as to why anything is happening.

From what I've read, she was written to have a bigger role alongside Leia but when Carrie Fisher passed away, they had to do a fair bit of rejigging of the storyboard so that it fit the narrative and unfortunately it took away many of Rose's scenes.

I'm a simpleton and the movie worked for me and I enjoyed it for what it was.

That's kind of a bs excuse, since Carrie Fisher died in December of 2016, and JJ Abrams was brought on to Episode 9 in September of 2017...

But yeah, the movie worked for a lot of people, and I'm glad it did. Just didn't work for me.

[grumpysaddle]

Anyone else watch Letterkenny? Been meaning to start for a while, then binge watched 6 seasons in like 3 days.

I hate the show personally.

Well, then you have terrible taste.

[Frank Lee]

I mean, it looks like JJ just had no idea what to do with Rose and unceremoniously wrote her out. A lot of what I didn't like about Rise of Skywalker was how little effort there seemed to go into the story. It just seemed like a bunch of half-cool moments strung together that doesn't make much sense as to why anything is happening.

From what I've read, she was written to have a bigger role alongside Leia but when Carrie Fisher passed away, they had to do a fair bit of rejigging of the storyboard so that it fit the narrative and unfortunately it took away many of Rose's scenes.

I'm a simpleton and the movie worked for me and I enjoyed it for what it was.

That's kind of a bs excuse, since Carrie Fisher died in December of 2016, and JJ Abrams was brought on to Episode 9 in September of 2017...

But yeah, the movie worked for a lot of people, and I'm glad it did. Just didn't work for me.

Me either, but they got my obligatory $$... just as the horrible last Star Treks did. The thrill is long gone with both franchises.

On another note... enjoyed 'The Boys' on Amazon

[MrMiyagi]

From what I've read, she was written to have a bigger role alongside Leia but when Carrie Fisher passed away, they had to do a fair bit of rejigging of the storyboard so that it fit the narrative and unfortunately it took away many of Rose's scenes.

I'm a simpleton and the movie worked for me and I enjoyed it for what it was.

That's kind of a bs excuse, since Carrie Fisher died in December of 2016, and JJ Abrams was brought on to Episode 9 in September of 2017...

But yeah, the movie worked for a lot of people, and I'm glad it did. Just didn't work for me.

Me either, but they got my obligatory $$... just as the horrible last Star Treks did. The thrill is long gone with both franchises.

On another note... enjoyed 'The Boys' on Amazon

The Boys is great. I'm ready for season 2.

[Frank Lee]

Im puzzled how they will carry on with a script/story. Looked like a nice neat though jaded ending was being set up.

[SlovenianDragon]

Bro this site is becoming unbearable with malware and viruses popping up cant even read ****.

Like porn sites are 10000000000x better

the **** is going on?

[SunsRback4Good]

Bro this site is becoming unbearable with malware and viruses popping up cant even read ****.

Like porn sites are 10000000000x better

the **** is going on?

Not sure what is happening with tons of ads lately. I downloaded ad blocker it works on my desktop but not on here. Hopefully, there will be a solution soon.

[bwgood77]

This was extremely entertaining...

Watch on YouTube

[SuperSunsFan]

finally watched Joker tonight, I do not get the hype.

[sunskerr]

finally watched Joker tonight, I do not get the hype.

Hm. I'll try to watch it in a few hours and get back to you. Always been interested in seeing it.

edit: So I watched it. Eh. I feel like it was a decent movie. Nowhere near being a masterpiece or even an amazing movie. It's probably best to not treat this as a comic book movie at all, but that being said I think "The Dark Knight" was simply a more enjoyable film for me.

I don't want to compare portrayals of characters, because I think both movies are doing something different with the Joker character- "Joker" (2019) has to flesh out the character far, far more than "The Dark Knight" does, because the story is focused on the singular character, whereas The Dark Knight has other elements and characters to deal with.

So...I think if one is in the mood for a darker, more character psychology-focused film, one could definitely do better, although the film definitely isn't bad. If you're looking for a comic book movie, then be aware that this not at all made like one.

[SuperSunsFan]

finally watched Joker tonight, I do not get the hype.

Hm. I'll try to watch it in a few hours and get back to you. Always been interested in seeing it.

edit: So I watched it. Eh. I feel like it was a decent movie. Nowhere near being a masterpiece or even an amazing movie. It's probably best to not treat this as a comic book movie at all, but that being said I think "The Dark Knight" was simply a more enjoyable film for me.

I don't want to compare portrayals of characters, because I think both movies are doing something different with the Joker character- "Joker" (2019) has to flesh out the character far, far more than "The Dark Knight" does, because the story is focused on the singular character, whereas The Dark Knight has other elements and characters to deal with.

So...I think if one is in the mood for a darker, more character psychology-focused film, one could definitely do better, although the film definitely isn't bad. If you're looking for a comic book movie, then be aware that this not at all made like one.

this is not a story about joker in Batman, this is just a story about a generic mental health patient that happens to take place in an universe that inhabits characters that share the names of characters of Batman. you get what i am saying? this arthur character is a good for nothing loser. This is not the joker i envisioned. In the Tim Burton Batman joker was an uber intelligent criminal who was also a scholar of several disciplines. This rendition of Joker is not the evil genius that Joker supposed to be who could have easily become the most successful man on earth if he was not crazy.

The biggest problem with the movie is they tried to be realistic and reflect on reality and try to show us how mental patients in the world are misunderstood and being mistreated or something through the medium of motion picture but the world they created is very contrived, no one is as mean as the people portrayed in the movie, the movie tried to make us sympathize with the arthur character by telling us his downfall or whatever is the product of this mean mean world but darn this mean mean world is not realistic and artificially made to be very mean to force us to side with Arthur.

[lilfishi22]

finally watched Joker tonight, I do not get the hype.

Hm. I'll try to watch it in a few hours and get back to you. Always been interested in seeing it.

edit: So I watched it. Eh. I feel like it was a decent movie. Nowhere near being a masterpiece or even an amazing movie. It's probably best to not treat this as a comic book movie at all, but that being said I think "The Dark Knight" was simply a more enjoyable film for me.

I don't want to compare portrayals of characters, because I think both movies are doing something different with the Joker character- "Joker" (2019) has to flesh out the character far, far more than "The Dark Knight" does, because the story is focused on the singular character, whereas The Dark Knight has other elements and characters to deal with.

So...I think if one is in the mood for a darker, more character psychology-focused film, one could definitely do better, although the film definitely isn't bad. If you're looking for a comic book movie, then be aware that this not at all made like one.

this is not a story about joker in Batman, this is just a story about a generic mental health patient that happens to take place in an universe that inhabits characters that share the names of characters of Batman. you get what i am saying? this arthur character is a good for nothing loser. This is not the joker i envisioned. In the Tim Burton Batman joker was an uber intelligent criminal who was also a scholar of several disciplines. This rendition of Joker is not the evil genius that Joker supposed to be who could have easily become the most successful man on earth if he was not crazy.

The biggest problem with the movie is they tried to be realistic and reflect on reality and try to show us how mental patients in the world are misunderstood and being mistreated or something through the medium of motion picture but the world they created is very contrived, no one is as mean as the people portrayed in the movie, the movie tried to make us sympathize with the arthur character by telling us his downfall or whatever is the product of this mean mean world but darn this mean mean world is not realistic and artificially made to be very mean to force us to side with Arthur.

I loved the Joker. I loved the story and I can certainly sympathise for Arthur not just because the world is depicted as mean but because in reality, that's how people with mental health issues sometimes feel and in many circumstances mental health is something that most nations don't deal with very well. It's often misunderstood, misdiagnosed and mistreated (?). Have to keep in mind that this world and this film is through the eyes of someone suffering from mental health so the world created for this film might seem unrealistic and contrived to you and I but it might be as realistic and as mean as someone suffering from mental health sees it.

Yes, I can relate to your comments about how this is not a story about the super-genius Joker that's usually depicted in the Batman universe and in a way it's just using the Joker brand more so than retelling a rendition of the Joker story that's been told many times over. But I'm totally fine with someone trying something different. You don't like that the film is more like a generic depiction of a mental health patient but I don't think I would be as interested if it was a generic depiction of Joker either.

The way I see this film is not necessarily poor Arthur but more that this is a guy that needed help but didn't necessarily want help (something that is common among those with mental health issues) or people around him didn't recognise he needed help and his dark descent into a super troubled person that became a symbol of the unwanted or under-recognised group.

[SuperSunsFan]

Hm. I'll try to watch it in a few hours and get back to you. Always been interested in seeing it.

edit: So I watched it. Eh. I feel like it was a decent movie. Nowhere near being a masterpiece or even an amazing movie. It's probably best to not treat this as a comic book movie at all, but that being said I think "The Dark Knight" was simply a more enjoyable film for me.

I don't want to compare portrayals of characters, because I think both movies are doing something different with the Joker character- "Joker" (2019) has to flesh out the character far, far more than "The Dark Knight" does, because the story is focused on the singular character, whereas The Dark Knight has other elements and characters to deal with.

So...I think if one is in the mood for a darker, more character psychology-focused film, one could definitely do better, although the film definitely isn't bad. If you're looking for a comic book movie, then be aware that this not at all made like one.

this is not a story about joker in Batman, this is just a story about a generic mental health patient that happens to take place in an universe that inhabits characters that share the names of characters of Batman. you get what i am saying? this arthur character is a good for nothing loser. This is not the joker i envisioned. In the Tim Burton Batman joker was an uber intelligent criminal who was also a scholar of several disciplines. This rendition of Joker is not the evil genius that Joker supposed to be who could have easily become the most successful man on earth if he was not crazy.

The biggest problem with the movie is they tried to be realistic and reflect on reality and try to show us how mental patients in the world are misunderstood and being mistreated or something through the medium of motion picture but the world they created is very contrived, no one is as mean as the people portrayed in the movie, the movie tried to make us sympathize with the arthur character by telling us his downfall or whatever is the product of this mean mean world but darn this mean mean world is not realistic and artificially made to be very mean to force us to side with Arthur.

I loved the Joker. I loved the story and I can certainly sympathise for Arthur not just because the world is depicted as mean but because in reality, that's how people with mental health issues sometimes feel and in many circumstances mental health is something that most nations don't deal with very well. It's often misunderstood, misdiagnosed and mistreated (?). Have to keep in mind that this world and this film is through the eyes of someone suffering from mental health so the world created for this film might seem unrealistic and contrived to you and I but it might be as realistic and as mean as someone suffering from mental health sees it.

Yes, I can relate to your comments about how this is not a story about the super-genius Joker that's usually depicted in the Batman universe and in a way it's just using the Joker brand more so than retelling a rendition of the Joker story that's been told many times over. But I'm totally fine with someone trying something different. You don't like that the film is more like a generic depiction of a mental health patient but I don't think I would be as interested if it was a generic depiction of Joker either.

The way I see this film is not necessarily poor Arthur but more that this is a guy that needed help but didn't necessarily want help (something that is common among those with mental health issues) or people around him didn't recognise he needed help and his dark descent into a super troubled person that became a symbol of the unwanted or under-recognised group.

completely agree, they were using the Batman brand to sell a story about mental illness that wouldn't have been as profitable or won as big an audience if not because of the Batman brand.

[bwgood77]

Hm. I'll try to watch it in a few hours and get back to you. Always been interested in seeing it.

edit: So I watched it. Eh. I feel like it was a decent movie. Nowhere near being a masterpiece or even an amazing movie. It's probably best to not treat this as a comic book movie at all, but that being said I think "The Dark Knight" was simply a more enjoyable film for me.

I don't want to compare portrayals of characters, because I think both movies are doing something different with the Joker character- "Joker" (2019) has to flesh out the character far, far more than "The Dark Knight" does, because the story is focused on the singular character, whereas The Dark Knight has other elements and characters to deal with.

So...I think if one is in the mood for a darker, more character psychology-focused film, one could definitely do better, although the film definitely isn't bad. If you're looking for a comic book movie, then be aware that this not at all made like one.

this is not a story about joker in Batman, this is just a story about a generic mental health patient that happens to take place in an universe that inhabits characters that share the names of characters of Batman. you get what i am saying? this arthur character is a good for nothing loser. This is not the joker i envisioned. In the Tim Burton Batman joker was an uber intelligent criminal who was also a scholar of several disciplines. This rendition of Joker is not the evil genius that Joker supposed to be who could have easily become the most successful man on earth if he was not crazy.

The biggest problem with the movie is they tried to be realistic and reflect on reality and try to show us how mental patients in the world are misunderstood and being mistreated or something through the medium of motion picture but the world they created is very contrived, no one is as mean as the people portrayed in the movie, the movie tried to make us sympathize with the arthur character by telling us his downfall or whatever is the product of this mean mean world but darn this mean mean world is not realistic and artificially made to be very mean to force us to side with Arthur.

I loved the Joker. I loved the story and I can certainly sympathise for Arthur not just because the world is depicted as mean but because in reality, that's how people with mental health issues sometimes feel and in many circumstances mental health is something that most nations don't deal with very well. It's often misunderstood, misdiagnosed and mistreated (?). Have to keep in mind that this world and this film is through the eyes of someone suffering from mental health so the world created for this film might seem unrealistic and contrived to you and I but it might be as realistic and as mean as someone suffering from mental health sees it.

Yes, I can relate to your comments about how this is not a story about the super-genius Joker that's usually depicted in the Batman universe and in a way it's just using the Joker brand more so than retelling a rendition of the Joker story that's been told many times over. But I'm totally fine with someone trying something different. You don't like that the film is more like a generic depiction of a mental health patient but I don't think I would be as interested if it was a generic depiction of Joker either.

The way I see this film is not necessarily poor Arthur but more that this is a guy that needed help but didn't necessarily want help (something that is common among those with mental health issues) or people around him didn't recognise he needed help and his dark descent into a super troubled person that became a symbol of the unwanted or under-recognised group.

I really liked it too. I'll probably list my movie rankings from 2019 at some point...probably tv too.

[lilfishi22]

this is not a story about joker in Batman, this is just a story about a generic mental health patient that happens to take place in an universe that inhabits characters that share the names of characters of Batman. you get what i am saying? this arthur character is a good for nothing loser. This is not the joker i envisioned. In the Tim Burton Batman joker was an uber intelligent criminal who was also a scholar of several disciplines. This rendition of Joker is not the evil genius that Joker supposed to be who could have easily become the most successful man on earth if he was not crazy.

The biggest problem with the movie is they tried to be realistic and reflect on reality and try to show us how mental patients in the world are misunderstood and being mistreated or something through the medium of motion picture but the world they created is very contrived, no one is as mean as the people portrayed in the movie, the movie tried to make us sympathize with the arthur character by telling us his downfall or whatever is the product of this mean mean world but darn this mean mean world is not realistic and artificially made to be very mean to force us to side with Arthur.

I loved the Joker. I loved the story and I can certainly sympathise for Arthur not just because the world is depicted as mean but because in reality, that's how people with mental health issues sometimes feel and in many circumstances mental health is something that most nations don't deal with very well. It's often misunderstood, misdiagnosed and mistreated (?). Have to keep in mind that this world and this film is through the eyes of someone suffering from mental health so the world created for this film might seem unrealistic and contrived to you and I but it might be as realistic and as mean as someone suffering from mental health sees it.

Yes, I can relate to your comments about how this is not a story about the super-genius Joker that's usually depicted in the Batman universe and in a way it's just using the Joker brand more so than retelling a rendition of the Joker story that's been told many times over. But I'm totally fine with someone trying something different. You don't like that the film is more like a generic depiction of a mental health patient but I don't think I would be as interested if it was a generic depiction of Joker either.

The way I see this film is not necessarily poor Arthur but more that this is a guy that needed help but didn't necessarily want help (something that is common among those with mental health issues) or people around him didn't recognise he needed help and his dark descent into a super troubled person that became a symbol of the unwanted or under-recognised group.

completely agree, they were using the Batman brand to sell a story about mental illness that wouldn't have been as profitable or won as big an audience if not because of the Batman brand.

Yeah I can see why you see it that way but I think that's too simplistic. I don't think it's purely using the batman world for profit but rather using the batman world aka Gotham City which has always been analogous with criminality, massive wealth inequality and social unrest as the backdrop for cultivating the kind of character that becomes the Joker.

I think what this film does great is that even at the end when he becomes peak Joker (by this film's standard), the audience and even Arthur himself don't see that him as the Joker as the normally depicted character. They still see him as a guy that calls out the "mean mean world" which to me is a calling out/social commentary of that wealth inequality and the lack of support of those in need. Yes you can say they used the batman world for profit but I see it as a depiction of the massive group of underprivileged and affected by the crime and social unrest that is often seen in Gotham City but is not usually given much light in batman movies because those films are generally focused around Batman vs some bad guy/girl.

So really, it is giving more of a background to the character that would/might turn into the Joker but also puts more focus on the social issues plaguing Gotham city which is again social commentary on the reasons behind a lot of the social unrest in the real world. It's certainly isn't lazy in doing that

[sunskerr]

I definitely understood the mental health theme, and was able to relate as I also suffer from depression. I just believe that if I compared it to other movies about mental health, this would not really be at the top of my list. As far as it using the Batman world to tell a story about mental health, then it definitely deserves props in that regard.

As for its commentary on economic issues, I think that was actually its strongest point. I think it depicts the harsh reality of living conditions for people who live at the very bottom of the economic hierarchy. They are ignored, and people living at the top live safely in their bubble completely blind to the issues that these people struggle with on a daily basis. And the Joker, being not only poor but also mentally impaired, is absolutely f***ed economically. He has absolutely no chance to improve his life.

Another good part was Thomas Wayne running for mayor, claiming that he was going to help Gotham's poor, that he was the only one who could help the city, and then cutting the city's spending on mental health. This is a fairly obvious reflection of real life, where we have billionaires and other elites who fly in private jets to meetings in foreign countries in an "attempt" to solve poverty, being blissfully unaware that they are part of the cause of poverty. This sort of compromised thinking, that they can continue to profit and become more wealthy at historical rates, whilst also solving poverty, is so prevalent in the absolute highest income classes of society, and is very dangerous for the world moving forward.

[lilfishi22]

I definitely understood the mental health theme, and was able to relate as I also suffer from depression. I just believe that if I compared it to other movies about mental health, this would not really be at the top of my list. As far as it using the Batman world to tell a story about mental health, then it definitely deserves props in that regard.

As for its commentary on economic issues, I think that was actually its strongest point. I think it depicts the harsh reality of living conditions for people who live at the very bottom of the economic hierarchy. They are ignored, and people living at the top live safely in their bubble completely blind to the issues that these people struggle with on a daily basis. And the Joker, being not only poor but also mentally impaired, is absolutely f***ed economically. He has absolutely no chance to improve his life.

Another good part was Thomas Wayne running for mayor, claiming that he was going to help Gotham's poor, that he was the only one who could help the city, and then cutting the city's spending on mental health. This is a fairly obvious reflection of real life, where we have billionaires and other elites who fly in private jets to meetings in foreign countries in an "attempt" to solve poverty, being blissfully unaware that they are part of the cause of poverty. This sort of compromised thinking, that they can continue to profit and become more wealthy at historical rates, whilst also solving poverty, is so prevalent in the absolute highest income classes of society, and is very dangerous for the world moving forward.

I don't have first hand experience dealing with depression myself but my GF does and I've known quite a few people dealing with mental health issues and the lack of help/support that is available to them. Using the Batman world makes it more interesting than just a pure, realistic drama piece. It adds a step removed from reality which aids in story telling.

Agreed, as you mention it's the economic issues and the whole Thomas Wayne running for mayor backdrop which is where a lot of that social commentary comes in and how the disaffected and disillusioned "poor" are being forgotten. So it's not exactly reality but it draws a ton of analogies from the real world and shows how someone, like Arthur, could slip through the crack. Arthur becoming the Joker is really more symbolic than character evolution imo.

I'm sure there's more realistic depiction of mental health issues in other films but I wasn't really watching it for a realistic depiction of mental health. Just like I'm not watching Guardians of the Galaxy 2 for a realistic depiction of a broken family

[SuperSunsFan]

I definitely understood the mental health theme, and was able to relate as I also suffer from depression. I just believe that if I compared it to other movies about mental health, this would not really be at the top of my list. As far as it using the Batman world to tell a story about mental health, then it definitely deserves props in that regard.

As for its commentary on economic issues, I think that was actually its strongest point. I think it depicts the harsh reality of living conditions for people who live at the very bottom of the economic hierarchy. They are ignored, and people living at the top live safely in their bubble completely blind to the issues that these people struggle with on a daily basis. And the Joker, being not only poor but also mentally impaired, is absolutely f***ed economically. He has absolutely no chance to improve his life.

Another good part was Thomas Wayne running for mayor, claiming that he was going to help Gotham's poor, that he was the only one who could help the city, and then cutting the city's spending on mental health. This is a fairly obvious reflection of real life, where we have billionaires and other elites who fly in private jets to meetings in foreign countries in an "attempt" to solve poverty, being blissfully unaware that they are part of the cause of poverty. This sort of compromised thinking, that they can continue to profit and become more wealthy at historical rates, whilst also solving poverty, is so prevalent in the absolute highest income classes of society, and is very dangerous for the world moving forward.

the evilness of this movie is how it manipulates the audience into sympathizing and rationalizing the murderer while hating his victims. while two of the wayne employees deserved what they got and Arthur could get out of any legal liability claiming self defense he gunned down a man running away who no longer poses a threat. He gunned down stephen colbert in cold blood live on TV, the mobs inspired by his murders killed Wayne on the street, what was so evil about him? he took issue with some stranger crazy guy who is an adoptive son of a former employee he might or might not had an affair with claimed to be his son and started stalking his family and made contact with his son. whatever social issues portrayed in this movie is contrived, creating situations that are unrealistic in the real world to manipulate you into hating people in the world this movie is suggestive of.

[sunskerr]

the evilness of this movie is how it manipulates the audience into sympathizing and rationalizing the murderer while hating his victims. while two of the wayne employees deserved what they got and Arthur could get out of any legal liability claiming self defense he gunned down a man running away who no longer poses a threat. He gunned down stephen colbert in cold blood live on TV, the mobs inspired by his murders killed Wayne on the street, what was so evil about him? he took issue with some stranger crazy guy who is an adoptive son of a former employee he might or might not had an affair with claimed to be his son and started stalking his family and made contact with his son. whatever social issues portrayed in this movie is contrived, creating situations that are unrealistic in the real world to manipulate you into hating people in the world this movie is suggestive of.