Trade Thread, Part 3: The Fun Continues

[GoCeltics123]

Theis gets bullied by low post bigs, Capela doesn't. Capela would be a big upgrade over Theis defensively.

This.

I love what Theis has done this year a lot, but we've checked in on Capela in the past so I can see us making a call again...just depends what we see in Romeo though I guess....

This is the idea in theory, but the numbers indicate otherwise. Grindtime22 broke this down pretty well, his numbers defensively are actually notably worse than Theis this year.

I'm not 100% against the idea of getting Capela but it's not even close to the upgrade people seem to think it is. Capela has definitely not been the same player for a few years now. Also, he can't stretch the floor; Embiid can sit in the paint the entire time with him in, even if he's better than Theis at guarding Embiid.

However, if he returns to 2017-18 form, his deal will look like an absolute bargain.

So I don't know about trading for him, but the idea of this is very meh to me.

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Theis gets bullied by low post bigs, Capela doesn't. Capela would be a big upgrade over Theis defensively.

This.

I love what Theis has done this year a lot, but we've checked in on Capela in the past so I can see us making a call again...just depends what we see in Romeo though I guess....

Do you think we are one of the teams interested in Capela?

I think given we have been in the past and how well he generally plays Embiid, for sure.

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Theis gets bullied by low post bigs, Capela doesn't. Capela would be a big upgrade over Theis defensively.

This.

I love what Theis has done this year a lot, but we've checked in on Capela in the past so I can see us making a call again...just depends what we see in Romeo though I guess....

This is the idea in theory, but the numbers indicate otherwise. Grindtime22 broke this down pretty well, his numbers defensively are actually notably worse than Theis this year.

I'm not 100% against the idea of getting Capela but it's not even close to the upgrade people seem to think it is. Capela has definitely not been the same player for a few years now. Also, he can't stretch the floor; Embiid can sit in the paint the entire time with him in, even if he's better than Theis at guarding Embiid.

However, if he returns to 2017-18 form, his deal will look like an absolute bargain.

So I don't know about trading for him, but the idea of this is very meh to me.

I'd probably get sick of playing with Harden TBH, I just think of the Kemba PnR would be deadly.... I think he would return to form but I'm not 100% sold on acquiring him anyway, but if it's minimal cost....maybe?

[SLCceltic]

Also not sure why Houston would rather have one of our centers and Covington than Capela.. And not sure why we want to give away the farm to get Ben Wallace 2.0: no jumper, bad free throw shooting, great defense and rebounding, and likely to go south as fast as Wallace did when he loses his legs..

Capela doesn’t get me too excited. I share the same concerns. I’d make an offer for him, but I wouldn’t be giving up too much.

Honestly I’m just hoping for a little bench scoring

Ya I think Rose theis kanter >> no Rose (no IT4 or no burks) + capella and no theis/Kanter ...esp if RW3 is finally healthy

[SLCceltic]

I know that there is a dark past w Rose but he is the perfect bench catylist for what we have. iT could also be as much in a return to boston for a playoff run. DRose is under contract for 7.5 next year also..

Makes too much sense minus the dark past of course.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Ok, one last idea:

Hayward to ORL (as previously floated)
Fournier to MIN
Covington and Kanter to HOU
Mo Bamba and Romeo Langford to NOP
Brandon Ingram and Capela to BOS

Tough to get the salaries to work perfectly.. but something like that combines four separate recent rumors and - imho - is plausible for every team while upgrading us from Hayward to Ingram and Kanter to Capela..

That looks horrible for NOP. Why would they trade away Ingram to deconsolidate?

I was just riffing on the nonsense Ingram rumor from a day or two ago, but- if New Orleans were hesitant to pay Ingram, and coveted Bamba, they’d reset the clock a little to get a player 2.5 years away from free agency.. both those conditions are plausible even if they’re not the case

Re: the John Collins scenario, the point was that there’d have to be a follow-up like ET and a 1st or two for Myles Turner .. if it were Hayward/Theis/MIL pick/pick acquired for Hayward out, Myles Turner and John Collins in.. Collins is young and has shown flashes of all-star potential - Turner is an impact defensive 5 - both can space the floor.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Also not sure why Houston would rather have one of our centers and Covington than Capela.. And not sure why we want to give away the farm to get Ben Wallace 2.0: no jumper, bad free throw shooting, great defense and rebounding, and likely to go south as fast as Wallace did when he loses his legs..

They need someone who is more compatible with Westbrook to open the floor

[klemen4]

If ATL is willing to give Brooklyn pick for Capela which will be 15./16. than we can beat that only with Memphis pick which will be 11./12. OR Romeo Langford.

Depends what would Minny like in possible 3 way which lands Covington in Houston.

Theis, Covington to HOU

Nene, Poirier, *PICKS? to MIN

Capela to BOS

*Would Mil pick+BOS pick be enough, probably not? If we add Timelord to Minny?

[zoyathedestroya]

Pictured below: Not gonna get traded this week.

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[CelticsPride18]

If we trade for Capela we might as well trade Hayward because there is no way we can keep Hayward after this season

[SmartWentCrazy]

Celtics might not be involved at all. It’s all speculation at this point.

lol I doubt anything happens. And this isn't even a trade that moves the needle for us much IMO.

This team has fantastic chemistry, needs to get healthier though eventually, of course.

There really isn’t any needle mover trades out there tho- no superstars available and our salary construction doesn’t allow for it. So if you can improve the team and a get a player who you can have the next few seasons it does make some sense.

Not saying it makes us favorites or anything like that- but what would? nothing in season. Capela is young and fits a need and unlike other bigs mentioned he can run the floor, hold his own on the perimeter if caught in a switch and catch lobs from smart, Hayward etc.

Sometimes you gotta settle for doubles when the home runs aren’t there

Exactly— getting a player who fits with respect to age, contract and playing style is nothing to slouch at. Locking up our C position long term is definitely worth the assets, IMO.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Theis gets bullied by low post bigs, Capela doesn't. Capela would be a big upgrade over Theis defensively.

This.

I love what Theis has done this year a lot, but we've checked in on Capela in the past so I can see us making a call again...just depends what we see in Romeo though I guess....

This is the idea in theory, but the numbers indicate otherwise. Grindtime22 broke this down pretty well, his numbers defensively are actually notably worse than Theis this year.

I'm not 100% against the idea of getting Capela but it's not even close to the upgrade people seem to think it is. Capela has definitely not been the same player for a few years now. Also, he can't stretch the floor; Embiid can sit in the paint the entire time with him in, even if he's better than Theis at guarding Embiid.

However, if he returns to 2017-18 form, his deal will look like an absolute bargain.

So I don't know about trading for him, but the idea of this is very meh to me.

You need to take his defensive impact stats with a grain of salt. Harden and Westbrook are abysmal on the perimeter and constantly allow the paint to be attacked. PIPM also indicates that the Rockets have been quite unlucky with him on the floor with respect to opponents 3P%.

If he plays the role that Theis does for us, with our surrounding defensive talent, I’d expect him to look better than ever.

[SmartWentCrazy]

This.

I love what Theis has done this year a lot, but we've checked in on Capela in the past so I can see us making a call again...just depends what we see in Romeo though I guess....

Do you think we are one of the teams interested in Capela?

I think given we have been in the past and how well he generally plays Embiid, for sure.

Given what we’ve seen from Danny in the past with IT, I’d be shocked if he wasnt in on this in some form.

[SmartWentCrazy]

**** Derrick Rose. Im good on him.

[ddb]

doubtful that Danny makes a significant trade at the deadline. 33-15. The team is getting better. Still not healthy. Boston has a chance to make a deep playoff push as-is. If there is a smallish deal out there where Danny can add to the rotation without sacrificing much, then I can see him doing something like that. That's it.
Players like Gordon Hayward and Marcus Smart are FAR more valuable then a Clint Capela type in the modern NBA. That's just the way it is. It's why Houston is looking to trade Capela for wing help to begin with.

Capela pros: Rebounds, blocks shots, size, rim running & can finish on lobs.
Capela cons: poor FT shooting, cannot space the floor, clogs lane, not a crunch time player.

I don't see Capela being the guy that Danny goes hard for. Would go against everything Ainge has done in roster building over the past year. Plus, we have Robert Williams coming back. He gives us some of what Capela would...and Stevens will only use that style when he needs it which won't be too often because Theis/Kanter/Grant have held the fort down.

[zoyathedestroya]

For Capela: They can pick from the following -- Kanter, R.Williams, Poirier, Wanamaker, Edwards, Semi, Javonte, 2020 BOS 1st OR 2020 MIL 1st, Langford OR 2020 MEM 1st but not both.

Capela is the upgrade for Kanter, not Theis. Theis is more versatile and has better synergy with our top 4 guys. We keep him as backup C. He can also switch on wings better than either Capela or Kanter. Theis can also play alongside Capela, unlike Kanter, if we need to go big. Whatever's left from above, trade for shooting wing/swing. Add buyout vets to refill roster.

I wonder what our tax bill will look like in a couple of years if we keep Capela + our top five guys.

How is he on health front? Seems he's dealt with more injuries this season?

[SmartWentCrazy]

My hot take is that, if we traded for Capela, I’d rather keep Kanter for his bench scoring. Yah, he’s a **** defender, but I’m guessing Grant Williams gets more minutes than Kanter at C in the playoffs.

[ddb]

Capela isn't coming to Boston unless it's as part of a bigger trade with 3 teams. Very doubtful this occurs. Makes no sense for Boston. It would also mean that Boston has zero plans to keep Hayward long-term.

It sure seems like the team that is looking to add a RIM runner is Atlanta to pair with Collins. They have now been rumored to be interested in Drummond & Capela. They could easily match salaries....and they can part with Reddish as the main piece to get Capela. Houston can then flip Reddish/Filler for a Covington-type.

For example:

Atlanta out: Len, Reddish, DJones
Atlanta in: Capela

Houston out: Capela
Houston in: Len, Covington

Minny out: Covington
Minny in: Reddish, DJones

Everyone is happy.

[100proof]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=uzompj4

Sacramento in
Poirier, Nene(waived), Semi, Edwards, Kanter, Romeo, Bucks first and Houston first
Add some cheap assets and continue building for future.

Houston in:
Bogdonovic and Dedmon
Add a wing and a floor spacing center

Boston in
Capela and Giles
Defensive center upgrade and PF depth. Would need to pick up deep wing help(sg/sf) off buyout market.

Kemba/Wannamaker/Waters
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Green
Tatum/Grant/Giles
Capela/Theis/Williams

[SmartWentCrazy]

Capela isn't coming to Boston unless it's as part of a bigger trade with 3 teams. Very doubtful this occurs. Makes no sense for Boston. It would also mean that Boston has zero plans to keep Hayward long-term.

Agree on first part, strong disagree on the second— a cost controlled C making a little more than the full MLE is a prerequisite to keeping Hayward long term, IMO.