Trade Thread, Part 3: The Fun Continues

[keevsnick1]

Kemba 32 Smart 16
Brown 28 Hayward 12 Smart 8
Hayward 18 Tatum 14 Covington 12 Brown 4
Tatum 20 Covington 16 Grant 12
Theis 22 Kanter 22 Timelord 4

I'm not really perfect on the numbers and positions but something like this feels very solid and we kinda never have a moment where I got a 'bench' feeling about our team.

Capela just doesn't fit cause he can't shoot 3's. If you give them Theis we'd even lose another one who can shoot 3's.

Yep, it seems like there's just not much letdown anywhere, esp with the staggering. Maybe you add an Alec Burks trade for this year as well. I just love the idea of our starting 5 with Smart & Covington off the bench - and both are locked up for ~$12M/year each for the next few years. We'd definitely be small still, but super versatile and depth to withstand injuries.

Covington's also a nice hedge against whatever Hayward decides to do this summer.

Langford, Semi, Poirier, MIL pick for Covington and Reid
Javonte, 2nd rounder for Burks.

Javonte saves Golden St $0.7M so if they make other moves to get under the tax, this would be more helpful to them than getting Edwards back. I don't think I go first rounder for Burks.

Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Theis
Smart, Burks, Covington, Grant, Kanter
Wanamaker, Timelord
Edwards, Reid
Buyout

That team could make some noise. If the other teams aren't interested in those prices, I roll with what we got.

After watching the Celtics destroy Covington two years ago in the playoffs I'm kind of not all that high on the guy. I mean I dont hate him, but theres NO way I'm giving up a recent number 14 pick for him + another first for a guy who isnt going to close games for the C's. I think there are teams out there that will value Covington more than the C's will given that they need wings a lot more than the c's do.

To me the move might be a guy like Bjelica. Not as good as Covington but lower salary at 6.8 million and an upgrade over your current bench, isn't is likely to cost more than the Mil pick. Bjelica also has a reasonable salary at 7.2 million netx year and is shooting 48/43/85 this year. Solid get, decent size at 6'10 235. Not very good defensively but we have guys who can mitigate that.

Jae Crowder also an option, tho is shooting is problematic. Maybe Bogdanovic as well.

[Curmudgeon]

I don't think teams like Golden State or the Clippers worry about the tax. Ballmer has more money than God, and so do Joe Lacob and Peter Gruber, two Boston guys who made good.

[Wes-J]

Team to watch is Miami. Philly to a lesser extent.

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[31to6]

I mean, Alec Burks is getting minutes and shots on one of the weakest rosters in recent NBA history, but I don't see the appeal:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burksal01.html
Career OBPM of -0.8 (but all the way up to 0.4 this year!) and DBPM of -1.3
One of the strengths of our team is our defense and Burks is a liability there.
Burks is said to be a 'bench scorer' but his TS% of 0.55 this year ties his best ever (0.53 for his career).
I guess his AST% this year (18%) is kind of good/better than I expected?
His VORP of -0.1 for his career matches my perception of him: total replacement-level player.
In fact all his advanced stats are already available on our roster in the form of Brad Wanamaker:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wanambr01.html

So why bother bringing in Burks? I'd rather keep the late first we'd have to give up for him for just about any other purpose, and hope our rotation stays healthy and keep staggering KW/MS/JB/GH/JT and the Wanamaster.

[themoneyteam2]

A big isn't the biggest need in my opinion. C's need more scoring and shooting off the bench. They have exactly ZERO 3 pt shooters and could use one as Kanter is really the only scoring threat off the bench. Alec Burks comes to mind.

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[djFan71]

Spoiler:

Yep, it seems like there's just not much letdown anywhere, esp with the staggering. Maybe you add an Alec Burks trade for this year as well. I just love the idea of our starting 5 with Smart & Covington off the bench - and both are locked up for ~$12M/year each for the next few years. We'd definitely be small still, but super versatile and depth to withstand injuries.

Covington's also a nice hedge against whatever Hayward decides to do this summer.

Langford, Semi, Poirier, MIL pick for Covington and Reid
Javonte, 2nd rounder for Burks.

Javonte saves Golden St $0.7M so if they make other moves to get under the tax, this would be more helpful to them than getting Edwards back. I don't think I go first rounder for Burks.

Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Theis
Smart, Burks, Covington, Grant, Kanter
Wanamaker, Timelord
Edwards, Reid
Buyout

That team could make some noise. If the other teams aren't interested in those prices, I roll with what we got.

After watching the Celtics destroy Covington two years ago in the playoffs I'm kind of not all that high on the guy. I mean I dont hate him, but theres NO way I'm giving up a recent number 14 pick for him + another first for a guy who isnt going to close games for the C's. I think there are teams out there that will value Covington more than the C's will given that they need wings a lot more than the c's do.

To me the move might be a guy like Bjelica. Not as good as Covington but lower salary at 6.8 million and an upgrade over your current bench, isn't is likely to cost more than the Mil pick. Bjelica also has a reasonable salary at 7.2 million netx year and is shooting 48/43/85 this year. Solid get, decent size at 6'10 235. Not very good defensively but we have guys who can mitigate that.

Jae Crowder also an option, tho is shooting is problematic. Maybe Bogdanovic as well.

Fair enough. His (perceived) value is definitely at it's zenith. I think the MIL pick isn't really necessary either, or at least we get back a 2nd from them. But, that's my best offer. If there was any path for Romeo to develop here, it'd be different.

For guys like Bjelicia, Crowder, Markieff, etc, if the cost is super lower fine. But, I don't think they are "advance an extra round" kind of impact guys. So, at that point, I'd almost rather just play the Williamses.

[keevsnick1]

Spoiler:

Langford, Semi, Poirier, MIL pick for Covington and Reid
Javonte, 2nd rounder for Burks.

Javonte saves Golden St $0.7M so if they make other moves to get under the tax, this would be more helpful to them than getting Edwards back. I don't think I go first rounder for Burks.

Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Theis
Smart, Burks, Covington, Grant, Kanter
Wanamaker, Timelord
Edwards, Reid
Buyout

That team could make some noise. If the other teams aren't interested in those prices, I roll with what we got.

After watching the Celtics destroy Covington two years ago in the playoffs I'm kind of not all that high on the guy. I mean I dont hate him, but theres NO way I'm giving up a recent number 14 pick for him + another first for a guy who isnt going to close games for the C's. I think there are teams out there that will value Covington more than the C's will given that they need wings a lot more than the c's do.

To me the move might be a guy like Bjelica. Not as good as Covington but lower salary at 6.8 million and an upgrade over your current bench, isn't is likely to cost more than the Mil pick. Bjelica also has a reasonable salary at 7.2 million netx year and is shooting 48/43/85 this year. Solid get, decent size at 6'10 235. Not very good defensively but we have guys who can mitigate that.

Jae Crowder also an option, tho is shooting is problematic. Maybe Bogdanovic as well.

Fair enough. His (perceived) value is definitely at it's zenith. I think the MIL pick isn't really necessary either, or at least we get back a 2nd from them. But, that's my best offer. If there was any path for Romeo to develop here, it'd be different.

For guys like Bjelicia, Crowder, Markieff, etc, if the cost is super lower fine. But, I don't think they are "advance an extra round" kind of impact guys. So, at that point, I'd almost rather just play the Williamses.

I think there is a pretty clear path for Romeo to develop. Either A) Hayward leaves because of long term tax issues or B) Romeo develops as a scoring sixth man. I mean we've all complained about the bench's lack of firepower this year, I could easily see him taking the Bradley route getting bench minuets year 2, bigger role year 3, ect. Romeo is a deal breaker for any Covington deal. I don't think COV he is any more of an "advance an extra round" guy than the others I mentioned at least not for a team that already has three good wings.

But in fairness I can see how someone might see things differently.

[FakeScreenName123]

Rockets owner pushes for star trade in westbrook and now a year later he wants to shed 100 mill in salary. good stuff

[CelticsLV]

I mean, Alec Burks is getting minutes and shots on one of the weakest rosters in recent NBA history, but I don't see the appeal:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burksal01.html
Career OBPM of -0.8 (but all the way up to 0.4 this year!) and DBPM of -1.3
One of the strengths of our team is our defense and Burks is a liability there.
Burks is said to be a 'bench scorer' but his TS% of 0.55 this year ties his best ever (0.53 for his career).
I guess his AST% this year (18%) is kind of good/better than I expected?
His VORP of -0.1 for his career matches my perception of him: total replacement-level player.
In fact all his advanced stats are already available on our roster in the form of Brad Wanamaker:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wanambr01.html

So why bother bringing in Burks? I'd rather keep the late first we'd have to give up for him for just about any other purpose, and hope our rotation stays healthy and keep staggering KW/MS/JB/GH/JT and the Wanamaster.

I'm pretty sure all his defensive metrics would go up on Celtics roster. Brad is making Kanter look solid even by metrics where Kanter historicaly has been really bad. The same DBPM you speak of as one example. Burks TS% is actually higher than Tatum's. And he's definitely a more skilled scorer than any of Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Green. You honestly believe these 3 guys could put anything remotely close to 16/5/3 if given the opportunity?

And no, I'm not even suggesting a 1st rounder for him. Maybe a 2nd rounder + small tax relief.

[3D Chess]

Rockets owner pushes for star trade in westbrook and now a year later he wants to shed 100 mill in salary. good stuff

Every time I have seen his name (Fertitta), it has been attached to something stupid.

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

After watching the Celtics destroy Covington two years ago in the playoffs I'm kind of not all that high on the guy. I mean I dont hate him, but theres NO way I'm giving up a recent number 14 pick for him + another first for a guy who isnt going to close games for the C's. I think there are teams out there that will value Covington more than the C's will given that they need wings a lot more than the c's do.

To me the move might be a guy like Bjelica. Not as good as Covington but lower salary at 6.8 million and an upgrade over your current bench, isn't is likely to cost more than the Mil pick. Bjelica also has a reasonable salary at 7.2 million netx year and is shooting 48/43/85 this year. Solid get, decent size at 6'10 235. Not very good defensively but we have guys who can mitigate that.

Jae Crowder also an option, tho is shooting is problematic. Maybe Bogdanovic as well.

Fair enough. His (perceived) value is definitely at it's zenith. I think the MIL pick isn't really necessary either, or at least we get back a 2nd from them. But, that's my best offer. If there was any path for Romeo to develop here, it'd be different.

For guys like Bjelicia, Crowder, Markieff, etc, if the cost is super lower fine. But, I don't think they are "advance an extra round" kind of impact guys. So, at that point, I'd almost rather just play the Williamses.

I think there is a pretty clear path for Romeo to develop. Either A) Hayward leaves because of long term tax issues or B) Romeo develops as a scoring sixth man. I mean we've all complained about the bench's lack of firepower this year, I could easily see him taking the Bradley route getting bench minuets year 2, bigger role year 3, ect. Romeo is a deal breaker for any Covington deal. I don't think COV he is any more of an "advance an extra round" guy than the others I mentioned at least not for a team that already has three good wings.

But in fairness I can see how someone might see things differently.

I think you're right on those paths. A seems unlikely to me, B is kinda the best case left. And trading a possible future 6th man for a starter level guy now is something I'm OK with. I like Romeo from the little we've seen, and trading him could definitely be a bad move down the line. If you don't like Covington, then it makes no sense for sure. I just think the ability to have 7 really, really good, mainly interchangeable players, who can play D & shoot, staggered throughout a playoff rotation would be a huge upgrade from 6. You eliminate all the dead minutes. Semi/Brad/Grant have been playing well, but I think Covington's enough of a step up to be worth it. Very well could be wrong on that.

My first dream would be to use Romeo (and most everything else beyond top 6) to get someone like a WCJ, Collins, Allen type.

[Celts17Pride]

hope our rotation stays healthy and keep staggering KW/MS/JB/GH/JT and the Wanamaster.

This is the problem right here. If the Celtics have an injury or foul trouble they have a bunch of guys that can't put the ball in the basket. They need an instant offense guy off the bench. It also would help keep players healthy so instead of playing 35-36 mpg the players KW/MS/JB/GH/JT can play 31-32 mpg until the playoffs. A guy like Alec Burks among others would allow Stevens to rest his players and keep them healthy.

[Bohemian]

It´s funny cause we´re all taking for granted that we are interested in making moves while there are no news coming from Woj, Charania or such

[Celts17Pride]

It´s funny cause we´re all taking for granted that we are interested in making moves while there are no news coming from Woj, Charania or such

Ainge and the Celtics never leak anything until after the trade deadline. Never before.

[djFan71]

It´s funny cause we´re all taking for granted that we are interested in making moves while there are no news coming from Woj, Charania or such

Ainge and the Celtics never leak anything until after the trade deadline. Never before.

And, I don't think we're all expecting anything. Just hoping, playing, dreaming.

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why?

[MagicBagley18]

i'd be all for tristan as a buyout not if it means giving up assets for a free agent