Nuggets Trades

[Manolito]

KBD is not expiring, he still has another super cheap year, this is an upgrade from Juancho to me

I am happy with the trade even if we don´t get Jrue. In basketball terms, we basically swapped Beasley x Napier (should not be a big difference in play off), and got a FRP which could still be useful asset in Summer.

Unfortunately, as The Rebel pointed out, the "Harris + Beasley + Juancho" package was way more valuable last summer (Beal or Holiday)

[NuggetsWY]

Hi guys! How is Beasley’s, Juancho’s, JV’s defense? Will they be able to help the Wolves immensely? What would be Beasley’s role there?

Beasley is the key to the deal as he will likely be your starting shooting guard. Defense is not his strength but he can man up and has good quickness. Hernangomez is also a spot up shooter and average defender but he could well be a starter at small forward. Vanderbilt is a re-bounder and backup power forward.

What you get in this package is some good outside shooting with Beasley and Hernangomez.

I'd say the same thing but a little differently. Beasley's defense has been improving. He has the athleticism to be a very good man defender but he isn't there yet - probably partly because he just can't get minutes in Denver.

I'd say Hernangomez is a fairly good team defender but not quick enough to be a solid man defender. He plays with his brain as much as his body. Like Beasley, he has trouble getting minutes in Denver but when he got regular minutes last year, his shooting was fairly nice.

I totally agree with TunaFish on Vanderbilt and would just add that for a PF, he has fairly nice handles.

I think you've gotten some solid bench players from Denver and Beasley could start right away and Hernangomez will probably be a bench player that gets some good minutes. Vanderbilt, if he lives up to potential, could be at least as good as Beasley.

[TunaFish]

KBD is not expiring, he still has another super cheap year, this is an upgrade from Juancho to me

I am happy with the trade even if we don´t get Jrue. In basketball terms, we basically swapped Beasley x Napier (should not be a big difference in play off), and got a FRP which could still be useful asset in Summer.

Unfortunately, as The Rebel pointed out, the "Harris + Beasley + Juancho" package was way more valuable last summer (Beal or Holiday)

That is a team option on Diop's contract, so expiring if Denver wants to let him go. However, as you point out, it is "super cheap" so it is likely that he will be retained.

[NuggetsWY]

We trade a SG SF PF for two SFs, one PF, one PG. IMO we lost on the guard slot, by a lot - but improved our SF slot by a lot and just maybe we'll see a lot of Barton at SG (I'd start him as soon as Bates-Diop is ready to start - or play backup to Porter). At PF I think we improved for this year and will have to wait to see if we lost in the long run.

Jokic - Plumlee
Millsap - Grant - Vonleh/Cancar
Bates-Diop/Porter - Craig
Barton - Harris
Murray - Morris - Dozier - Napier

Bates-Diop was highly touted coming out of college. He was Big Ten Player of the Year. He's also a hard worker both on and off the court. But is not a great outside shooter and on offense in Denver, he needs to move. However, when he gets consistent minutes, he can be a very solid shooter, even from three point range (especially from the corner). He's a solid finisher at the hoop IMO. He has a 7'3" wingspan and at 6'8" and his defense runs from solid to much better. In my opinion, this is the best acquisition in this trade.

Green is injured and hasn't played this year. He is unlikely to play until almost playoff time. I like his game on both ends of the court. He's a decent shooter, better than average but not scary great. Being 6'7" with an almost 7' wingspan, his defense is even better. I like him as a wing defender and a team defender. If he's switched on bigs or point guards, he's more capable than most wings IMO. I would hope that Denver can re-sign him for a couple more years.

Vonleh does not appear to be a backup center. Grant seems a better choice with Vonleh at PF. Not a big difference though. He's been on a few teams and seems best when he plays around 4-5 minute stretches. He's not a bad player but for the Nuggets he'll need to be an active player on offense - moving a lot; since he's not much of an outside shooter. His defense seems fair, from what I've seen.

Napier is a 6' PG with an average wingspan in a league that emphasizes height & length more and more every day. Even worse, he's not that good of an outside shooter. He's a more traditional PG than Morris. For him to have any value in Denver's offense, he's going to have to move constantly. I do not remember anything special about his defense - either good or bad.

[Powder Blue]

I am not a fan of this deal. It is another one where it feels like we held onto our guys for too long and buried them to deep in the rotation and ended up getting the short end of the deal. Even worse we gave the Twolves a lot of talent for basically some end of rotation guys on expiring deals and a late 1st. Beasley can start immediately and Juancho is arguably the 2nd best forward the the TWolves have on their roster now. It was likely that we were not bringing back Beasley or Juancho, and Vanderbilt was going to be even further buried with Bol on the roster next year. I get all that, but I am sure we could have gotten more for all of them 3 months ago.

There has to be another deal in the works with Morris going out, and possibly Dozier, otherwise why are we bringing in another PG? We did not exactly have an issue there.

As for the guys we are getting, I am disappointed that we got significantly worse from the 3 point line, not one of the guys we are getting back is even average from 3. Which considering Craig will likely get the majority of minutes being vacated by trading Beasley and Juancho, is not a good thing. They do make some sense as deep bench guys with Vonleh being an okay 6th big that can play some C and Napier who is a solid backup PG. Bates-Diop seems like he is a good defender and has some talent, but is a downgrade on Vanderbilt.

Year after year we're talking about how the Nuggets held onto player X too long right Rebel? At least they're consistent.

They're probably trying to flip these pieces...but history says they "just miss" the big deal and settle for future assets. No Beasley is going to hurt us down the stretch. I'd have rather kept him for the rest of the season/playoffs, a mid 20's first won't see the floor for 2 years.

[Powder Blue]

We trade a SG SF PF for two SFs, one PF, one PG. IMO we lost on the guard slot, by a lot - but improved our SF slot by a lot and just maybe we'll see a lot of Barton at SG (I'd start him as soon as Bates-Diop is ready to start - or play backup to Porter). At PF I think we improved for this year and will have to wait to see if we lost in the long run.

Jokic - Plumlee
Millsap - Grant - Vonleh/Cancar
Bates-Diop/Porter - Craig
Barton - Harris
Murray - Morris - Dozier - Napier

Bates-Diop was highly touted coming out of college. He was Big Ten Player of the Year. He's also a hard worker both on and off the court. But is not a great outside shooter and on offense in Denver, he needs to move. However, when he gets consistent minutes, he can be a very solid shooter, even from three point range (especially from the corner). He's a solid finisher at the hoop IMO. He has a 7'3" wingspan and at 6'8" and his defense runs from solid to much better. In my opinion, this is the best acquisition in this trade.

Green is injured and hasn't played this year. He is unlikely to play until almost playoff time. I like his game on both ends of the court. He's a decent shooter, better than average but not scary great. Being 6'7" with an almost 7' wingspan, his defense is even better. I like him as a wing defender and a team defender. If he's switched on bigs or point guards, he's more capable than most wings IMO. I would hope that Denver can re-sign him for a couple more years.

Vonleh does not appear to be a backup center. Grant seems a better choice with Vonleh at PF. Not a big difference though. He's been on a few teams and seems best when he plays around 4-5 minute stretches. He's not a bad player but for the Nuggets he'll need to be an active player on offense - moving a lot; since he's not much of an outside shooter. His defense seems fair, from what I've seen.

Napier is a 6' PG with an average wingspan in a league that emphasizes height & length more and more every day. Even worse, he's not that good of an outside shooter. He's a more traditional PG than Morris. For him to have any value in Denver's offense, he's going to have to move constantly. I do not remember anything special about his defense - either good or bad.

What makes you think Malone will move Harris to the bench? He just threw him back in the starting lineup last night

[TunaFish]

Has there been in clarification on the Houston pick coming back? I thought Houston traded their 2021 pick and that the 2020 pick couldn't be traded. How could they trade a 2020 pick?

[Zion Wembanyama]

Does the latest trade mean Denver is out of the Jrue Holiday sweepstakes or did y'all just pick up more assets to include in the deal?

[TunaFish]

Does the latest trade mean Denver is out of the Jrue Holiday sweepstakes or did y'all just pick up more assets to include in the deal?

Denver now has 4 point guards, so you would think another trade is in the mix.

[NuggetsWY]

We trade a SG SF PF for two SFs, one PF, one PG. IMO we lost on the guard slot, by a lot - but improved our SF slot by a lot and just maybe we'll see a lot of Barton at SG (I'd start him as soon as Bates-Diop is ready to start - or play backup to Porter). At PF I think we improved for this year and will have to wait to see if we lost in the long run.

Jokic - Plumlee
Millsap - Grant - Vonleh/Cancar
Bates-Diop/Porter - Craig
Barton - Harris
Murray - Morris - Dozier - Napier

What makes you think Malone will move Harris to the bench? He just threw him back in the starting lineup last night

True - and we all struggle to figure out what Malone is going to do, but our only SG right now is Harris and in my opinion Barton's defense is better than Harris' offense and we need Barton's offense, so maybe ...

Unless we move Murray to backup SG and use a lot more of Morris ...

[NuggetsWY]

Has there been in clarification on the Houston pick coming back? I thought Houston traded their 2021 pick and that the 2020 pick couldn't be traded. How could they trade a 2020 pick?

I'm fairly certain they have two 1sts in 2021.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

[NuggetsWY]

Does the latest trade mean Denver is out of the Jrue Holiday sweepstakes or did y'all just pick up more assets to include in the deal?

What would you have in mind?
Denver's almost certainly not trading Jokic, Murray, Porter and some others will be hard to convince them to trade.

[THE J0KER]

Some possible trades after the latest changes:

Barton, Harris, HOU-1st for Jrue Holiday and NOP-2nd

Millsap, HOU-1st for Gallinari, Noel, OKC-2nd
or
Barton, Plumlee, HOU-1st for Gallinari, Noel, OKC-2nd, CHI-2nd

[NuggetsWY]

Some possible trades after the latest changes:

Barton, Harris, HOU-1st for Jrue Holiday and NOP-2nd

Millsap, HOU-1st for Gallinari, Noel, OKC-2nd
or
Barton, Plumlee, HOU-1st for Gallinari, Noel, OKC-2nd, CHI-2nd

I like your suggestion for Holiday. I think Barton + Plumlee works for him too. Even if we add a pick, I think he's worth it, but some won't.

I'm not a big fan of Gallinari and less of a fan of Noel, but Gallinari makes a nice offensive pickup although Millsap's defense is better. Noel makes an acceptable backup center, especially if we keep Plumlee (your second suggested trade above). I know OKC wants picks and youth, so we'd probably have to include the 1st in either one. Bringing back a 2nd is nice but not essential.

[skywalker33]

Does the latest trade mean Denver is out of the Jrue Holiday sweepstakes or did y'all just pick up more assets to include in the deal?

Guess that depends on the asking price for Jrue...does he help NOP now or in the future, which is more important to the Pels ??

[skywalker33]

Some possible trades after the latest changes:

Barton, Harris, HOU-1st for Jrue Holiday and NOP-2nd

Depletes our depth at SG unless you want to play Dozier more, iffy at best IMO

Millsap, HOU-1st for Gallinari, Noel, OKC-2nd

Can't do a 1 for 2 unless you waive Green and acquiring Gallo takes mins away from MPJ while downgrading a draft pick

Barton, Plumlee, HOU-1st for Gallinari, Noel, OKC-2nd, CHI-2nd

Again, takes mins from MPJ and downgrading the draft pick (although TC has done a decent job with the draft). That said, I think that HOU 1st has the chance to get better, they literally have no one at the C position right now (they have Bell, but don't think he'll have the impact Capella did for them) and I could see them dropping to 7th or 8th seed.

[TunaFish]

I have just seen a rumor that Denver plans to package Harris and the Houston first for a guard. It wasn't specifically about Holliday and it seems NO plans to keep him. Could there be another guard out there that interests Denver?

[manchambo]

Some possible trades after the latest changes:

Barton, Harris, HOU-1st for Jrue Holiday and NOP-2nd

Millsap, HOU-1st for Gallinari, Noel, OKC-2nd
or
Barton, Plumlee, HOU-1st for Gallinari, Noel, OKC-2nd, CHI-2nd

Another trade that works: Harris, Morris, Hou 1st for Jrue Holiday.

I don't see the point of taking Napier otherwise--where are the minutes for him and Morris?

[skywalker33]

Some possible trades after the latest changes:

Barton, Harris, HOU-1st for Jrue Holiday and NOP-2nd

Millsap, HOU-1st for Gallinari, Noel, OKC-2nd
or
Barton, Plumlee, HOU-1st for Gallinari, Noel, OKC-2nd, CHI-2nd

Another trade that works: Harris, Morris, Hou 1st for Jrue Holiday.

I don't see the point of taking Napier otherwise--where are the minutes for him and Morris?

I could get on board with this

[Darklight]

I am fine with the trade not great but not too bad. I know people want a follow up since we don't have any use of the Rockets pick but if the asking price for Jrue is too high they should just wait for the offseason and try and get Beal which is what I would much rather prefer. I get it Jrue is a good third option but with Murray currently as our second option it just isn't enough. Besides the guy is taking 17,5 shots per game and is averaging 19,7... that's just terrible he should be atleast averaging 21 points on that many shots, sure he is better then gary currently offensively not that hard lol and probably a all nba first team defender and a very versatile one but don't think that puts us over the top. It should be said that we would have an insane 7 man rotation with murray,jrue,barton,millsap,jokic,grant and MPJ...

I honestly wanted Covington for us for a while since he could have been the solution to our problems at the 3 and could guard the elite 3's in the league. He and Beal is what I wanted us to go for but that would mean no starting spot for MPJ unless u play him at the 4 but I prefer the 3 by far, he is just a mismatch nightmare for teams. I wouldn't get my hopes too much on us making a big move u guys know how our FO is and the asking price while probably be too much and we will hear from TC how we were aggressive..
Still I think something will go down and we have a logjam now at PG with four man rotation ugh