Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Mitchell Robinson might be worth a first-round pick. However, you might be able to get even more with that pick in the draft.

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Ian & a second round pick for Thompson? Why not?

Everyone freaks out about giving up a second round pick, but we already have 5-6 first and second year players to develop with at least one more coming on board with the 2020 draft. Not to mention Sanon stashed away overseas. Plus there's always a good chance you can buy a second round pick.

I'm tired of teams outrebounding the Zards and getting easy buckets at the rim. Thompson would help address that. I'd make that trade, especially if I thought I could resign Tristan at a reasonable salary.

Zards, this is not about Tristan Thompson; it's about how much do you pay for something. Could be a trade-in for a car. Could be anything.

Thompson is expiring. Cleveland is not interested in retaining him. If they give us Thompson for Mahinmi straight up, they get a benefit ($3m) at no cost to them whatever. OTOH, if we trade for Thompson, giving up an extra asset, with the idea of keeping him, we give ourselves trouble. Either he'll be too expensive, & retaining him will handcuff us for any other moves, or if he draws little competitive interest & we want him... he'll be there to sign in the off season. This is not a player at a level where you make absolutely sure you don't miss on him by giving up more than he's worth so you have him now.

As to rebounding, Thompson gets a big 1.5 more rebounds per 36 minutes than Thomas Bryant. & Bryant has big future value, but Thompson has little or none.

You know how much I hate to trade picks. But, I'd trade our R1 pick this year for Mitchell Robinson. Sooner than give up our R2 pick for Thompson.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Beautiful sarcasm and I totally agree.

Ian & a second round pick for Thompson? Why not?

Everyone freaks out about giving up a second round pick, but we already have 5-6 first and second year players to develop with at least one more coming on board with the 2020 draft. Not to mention Sanon stashed away overseas. Plus there's always a good chance you can buy a second round pick.

I'm tired of teams outrebounding the Zards and getting easy buckets at the rim. Thompson would help address that. I'd make that trade, especially if I thought I could resign Tristan at a reasonable salary.

Zards, this is not about Tristan Thompson; it's about how much do you pay for something. Could be a trade-in for a car. Could be anything.

Thompson is expiring. Cleveland is not interested in retaining him. If they give us Thompson for Mahinmi straight up, they get a benefit ($3m) at no cost to them whatever. OTOH, if we trade for Thompson, giving up an extra asset, with the idea of keeping him, we give ourselves trouble. Either he'll be too expensive, & retaining him will handcuff us for any other moves, or if he draws little competitive interest & we want him... he'll be there to sign in the off season. This is not a player at a level where you make absolutely sure you don't miss on him by giving up more than he's worth so you have him now.

As to rebounding, Thompson gets a big 1.5 more rebounds per 36 minutes than Thomas Bryant. & Bryant has big future value, but Thompson has little or none.

You know how much I hate to trade picks. But, I'd trade our R1 pick this year for Mitchell Robinson. Sooner than give up our R2 pick for Thompson.

But... we might get 1 or even possibly 2 more wins this season if we trade Ian and a pick for Thompson. Hey, that way we could get a lower pick in the 2020 draft! Gotta wonder why that sounds enticing to some folks. Permamediocrity isn't a good thing. Actually, it's not a thing - I just made it up. It doesn't even have a website. It'd be too average.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Tristan Thompson isn't going to win a lot of ball games.

Draft a productive player with a very similar or even superior skill-set to Tristan Thompson's.

All of us are clearly still having flash backs to what EG would do. But it's totally possible we have reasonable interest in TT but the Cavs want something unreasonable and we just walk away .

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[TGW]

Stay away from Tristan Thompson. We already had a Kardashian husband...don't need another.

[queridiculo]

Regarding Beal for Simmons, there is something to be said for somebody that wants to be here.

Beal has made a commitment to stay here and has mentioned time and time again how much loyalty factors for him, why would we give that up for a total variable in Simmons?

I dunno.

He only signed a 1 year extension and he is seemingly pressuring management to make unwise short-term decisions. (Now that's speculation of course. Maybe Beal isn't pressuring at all and is in total agreement with a patient rebuild, but his recent quotes don't give that impression.)

Simmons is under contract for 5 more years, giving us all the time we need to build this thing right. And as I keep saying, Simmons is in a lousy situation with suspect coaching. I really do think he can reach a new plateau here in DC with a properly constructed team around him. Also, our shooting coaches appear to be some of the better ones in the league and will probably improve his outside shot.

The trouble with that line of thinking is that contracts aren't really worth all that much.

Can you count on Simmons wanting to be here for the duration of a rebuilding phase?

Simmons is Hollywood and that Jenner business continues to be acute. Is it far fetched to think that he could make a power move to force a trade to the Lakers just in time to take over Lebron's spot?

Also worth considering what a move for Simmons means for Wall.

There's no way for them to co-exist on the court together so Washington will find themselves in a poor bargaining situation looking to unburden themselves from Wall's contract.

Not a good way to build a team when you're faced with either eating another bad deal or parting with assets to get rid of one, to set off a rebuild.

I'd much rather Washington spent its energy on trying to maximize the guys that have 100% committed to the cause and do their best to augment their skillset to build for the future.

Washington's last run of sustained success was built around rebounding and sound defense and just breaking down teams in transition.

I'd like them to find a way to get back to that and then just watch where the chips fall.

I hear Drummond is available...

[truwizfan4evr]

please don't get Tristan Thompson! he's a lazy underachieving bum and he's not a rim protector and he has a massive contract. this trade doesn't make any sense for wizards.

[nate33]

The trouble with that line of thinking is that contracts aren't really worth all that much.

Can you count on Simmons wanting to be here for the duration of a rebuilding phase?

Simmons is Hollywood and that Jenner business continues to be acute. Is it far fetched to think that he could make a power move to force a trade to the Lakers just in time to take over Lebron's spot?

People keep making this argument with no historical evidence to back them. When has a player ever forced his way off of a team while signed to a long term contract? They have NO LEVERAGE to do so until perhaps the Trade Deadline 1.3 years before their contract is up (like Davis). Simmons is under contract for 5 full years with no options. He is literally has the longest term deal in the entire league. He has no way to force himself anywhere.

Players can tell teams: "trade me because I refuse to resign". But there would be no toleration of a player telling a team: "trade me or I refuse to play". If the league let a player get away with that, it would basically end the NBA as we know it.

I also don't get this fear that Simmons is somehow uniquely inspired to leave. He's 23 years old and he's coming to join a team with a bunch of guys aged 20-23 and an organization with deep pockets and a very large media market prepared to build around him. The team has a bunch of stretch bigs to fit with Simmons, and a lotto pick coming their way. That's a pretty good situation.

[Ruzious]

Drummond will always... be available.

For all we know, Wall will return as a much better shooter. Let's at least wait till we see him before determining he can't play with Simmons.

[nate33]

Drummond will always... be available.

For all we know, Wall will return as a much better shooter. Let's at least wait till we see him before determining he can't play with Simmons.

Furthermore, we are absolutely not going to win a title with Wall and his $43M a year contract on the payroll. It's impossible unless we land a Luka/Zion caliber guy in the draft (a guy with superstar impact but a rookie scale salary footprint). Like it or not, our window of opportunity is 3 years down the road when Wall is no longer on the team. Maybe he could be moved a year or two early if he looks like he is 95% of his old self.

[truwizfan4evr]

Drummond will always... be available.

For all we know, Wall will return as a much better shooter. Let's at least wait till we see him before determining he can't play with Simmons.

Furthermore, we are absolutely not going to win a title with Wall and his $43M a year contract on the payroll. It's impossible unless we land a Luka/Zion caliber guy in the draft (a guy with superstar impact but a rookie scale salary footprint). Like it or not, our window of opportunity is 3 years down the road when Wall is no longer on the team. Maybe he could be moved a year or two early if he looks like he is 95% of his old self.

i hate that were winning so many games. Now they talking about making the playoffs.

[queridiculo]

People keep making this argument with no historical evidence to back them. When has a player ever forced his way off of a team while signed to a long term contract? They have NO LEVERAGE to do so until perhaps the Trade Deadline 1.3 years before their contract is up (like Davis). Simmons is under contract for 5 full years with no options. He is literally has the longest term deal in the entire league. He has no way to force himself anywhere.

The timeline I mentioned involves Lebron retiring, so Simmons will be roughly three years into his deal by then.

Players have a tremendous amount of leverage with 2 years remaining on their contract, history is littered with evidence.

[queridiculo]

Drummond will always... be available.

For all we know, Wall will return as a much better shooter. Let's at least wait till we see him before determining he can't play with Simmons.

Wall will never be effective playing off the ball, him and Simmons are not compatible.

[nate33]

People keep making this argument with no historical evidence to back them. When has a player ever forced his way off of a team while signed to a long term contract? They have NO LEVERAGE to do so until perhaps the Trade Deadline 1.3 years before their contract is up (like Davis). Simmons is under contract for 5 full years with no options. He is literally has the longest term deal in the entire league. He has no way to force himself anywhere.

The timeline I mentioned involves Lebron retiring, so Simmons will be roughly three years into his deal by then.

Players have a tremendous amount of leverage with 2 years remaining on their contract, history is littered with evidence.

His first moment of leverage will be 4 years from today when he has 1.5 years left on his contract. That's much more certainty than what we have with Beal. And it's not like we would just throw up our hands and give him to the Lakers. Look how much New Orleans got for Anthony Davis.

The worst case scenario is that we'd have Simmons for 5 full years and let him walk, or we'd have him for 3.5-4.5 years and then trade him for a king's ransom. Acting like that scenario should be a primary reason to reevaluate a Beal trade is just silly.

Frankly, the fear that an elite player can force his way out to join LA exists for almost any player, including Beal. How do we know Beal will continue to want to stay in DC 2 years from now?

[nate33]

Drummond will always... be available.

For all we know, Wall will return as a much better shooter. Let's at least wait till we see him before determining he can't play with Simmons.

Wall will never be effective playing off the ball, him and Simmons are not compatible.

I tend to agree with this. I think the problems can be mitigated a little by staggering them to the greatest extent possible and having Simmons learn to be a roll man at times, but ultimately, Wall will have to go - even if it's for another bad contract like Wiggins.

[DCZards]

I'd prefer to see what Beal & Wall look like playing together (with this current roster) before trading for Simmons and teaming two players (Wall & Simmons) who most of us agree are not compatible.

By trading for Simmons, the Zards would essentially be exchanging two very good players (Wall & Beal) for a single player (Simmons) who, while may be better than both Wall & Beal, is not a superstar.

Edit to add: And I'm not at all convinced that Simmon's terrible shooting is simply a coaching problem.

[Illmatic12]

Beal has agreed to sign longterm contracts here twice. He’s at least indicated an affinity for playing in DC.

Trading for Simmons means acquiring a player against his will, who has no connection to the city , and has already had issues with questionable effort and work ethic. So we’re gonna just assume this guy will play his heart out for a rebuilding team in DC? Please, let’s stop the ridiculousness

[Illmatic12]

The Hawks just leap frogged the Wizards big time and all it cost them was a first rounder in the 16-18 range.

It's a shame the Wizards couldn't find a way to get involved here, Capela is an impact big that could have been a defensive anchor for this team for years to come.

Capela has a history of missing games, but it's hard to deny that the Hawks just got a whole lot better.

What if I told you there’s an available big man who is significantly more durable than Capela, is only 1 older than Capela, has made multiple All-Star games, and could be had at the deadline for a CHEAPER price than Capela.. yet many on this board insist on outsmarting themselves by saying we shouldn’t go get him?

Wiz have to face freakish athletic bigs like Collins, Capela, Adebayo, J Isaac, Gordon in our division who we’ll see multiple times a season .. but no lets roll with Thomas Bryant and Pasecniks

Tommy Sheppard needs to bring in Andre Drummond within the next 24 hours.. see you guys, I’ll be back tomorrow

[Ruzious]

The Hawks just leap frogged the Wizards big time and all it cost them was a first rounder in the 16-18 range.

It's a shame the Wizards couldn't find a way to get involved here, Capela is an impact big that could have been a defensive anchor for this team for years to come.

Capela has a history of missing games, but it's hard to deny that the Hawks just got a whole lot better.

What if I told you there’s an available big man who is significantly more durable than Capela, is only 1 older than Capela, has made multiple All-Star games, and could be had at the deadline for a CHEAPER price than Capela.. yet many on this board insist on outsmarting themselves by saying we shouldn’t go get him?

Wiz have to face freakish athletic bigs like Collins, Capela, Adebayo, J Isaac, Gordon in our division who we’ll see multiple times a season .. but no lets roll with Thomas Bryant and Pasecniks

Tommy Sheppard needs to bring in Andre Drummond within the next 24 hours.. see you guys, I’ll be back tomorrow

I would reply with 3 words: di NO saur.

[nate33]

The Hawks just leap frogged the Wizards big time and all it cost them was a first rounder in the 16-18 range.

It's a shame the Wizards couldn't find a way to get involved here, Capela is an impact big that could have been a defensive anchor for this team for years to come.

Capela has a history of missing games, but it's hard to deny that the Hawks just got a whole lot better.

What if I told you there’s an available big man who is significantly more durable than Capela, is only 1 older than Capela, has made multiple All-Star games, and could be had at the deadline for a CHEAPER price than Capela.. yet many on this board insist on outsmarting themselves by saying we shouldn’t go get him?

Wiz have to face freakish athletic bigs like Collins, Capela, Adebayo, J Isaac, Gordon in our division who we’ll see multiple times a season .. but no lets roll with Thomas Bryant and Pasecniks

Tommy Sheppard needs to bring in Andre Drummond within the next 24 hours.. see you guys, I’ll be back tomorrow

I would reply with 3 words: di NO saur.

And I would reply $29M versus $17M.

[Ruzious]

What if I told you there’s an available big man who is significantly more durable than Capela, is only 1 older than Capela, has made multiple All-Star games, and could be had at the deadline for a CHEAPER price than Capela.. yet many on this board insist on outsmarting themselves by saying we shouldn’t go get him?

Wiz have to face freakish athletic bigs like Collins, Capela, Adebayo, J Isaac, Gordon in our division who we’ll see multiple times a season .. but no lets roll with Thomas Bryant and Pasecniks

Tommy Sheppard needs to bring in Andre Drummond within the next 24 hours.. see you guys, I’ll be back tomorrow

I would reply with 3 words: di NO saur.

And I would reply $29M versus $17M.

And the potential lux tax implications.