Regular Season Game 51: Orlando Magic (22-28) at Boston Celtics (34-15) - 7:30pm ET

[basketballRob]

Vucevic's TS now 525. Wonder if that's the lowest in the league for a starting center?

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[Optimus_Steel]

What execlly Clifford can do with this roster?
This team would under most coaches sit on 14-38 record at best

The way the roster is built there is not much Cliff can do. We have a severe lack of 3pt shooting and scoring ability and that's going to hamper everything else. I just don't understand why WeHam hasn't added more 3pt shooters for the bench during the offseason, its was going to be an issue even with no injuries.

[Optimus_Steel]

I think Vuc is showing signs of old age. His production has been abnormally low, for his stat-padding habits

Vuc has to shoot 3s and stay on perimeter to create some driving lines. That's not how Magic played last year at all.
Injuries of Isaac and DJ destroyed little spacing this team had.

Iwundu in 25 min menaged to shot ball 2 times. Birch as starter averaged 4 ppg.
Fultz made 8 threes in 20 games. For comparison, Patrick Baverly who isn't even great shooter, made 10 threes in last 5 games.

Decision to use MLE on Aminu was flat out bad decision that turned out to bite them in a$$ really,really fast.
Also decision to bring back MCW , Iwundu, Frazier was pretty questionable as well.

And you see 76ers adressing their shooting issues with THREE SECOND ROUND PICKS. Where Magic used their second round picks on Justin Jackson, who they last year cut from G league.

Just piss poor preparation for a season and for modern basketball. Lenght above everything else. So every time we play team that has more talent, it's so damn obvious.

You are going nowhere when you start guys like Iwundu and Birch. If they hold onto 8th spot it will be equvivalent of winning championship with Knicks.
In mean time, Heat had enough with lottery pick Winslow. Iggy in town...

I don't understand why they refuse to add cheap 3pt shooting to the bench during the offseason. There are several teams out there that have 3pt shooters up and down the rosters, even guys that barely play that can shot the 3 and they go out of their way to address it.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

What execlly Clifford can do with this roster?
This team would under most coaches sit on 14-38 record at best

The way the roster is built there is not much Cliff can do. We have a severe lack of 3pt shooting and scoring ability and that's going to hamper everything else. I just don't understand why WeHam hasn't added more 3pt shooters for the bench during the offseason, its was going to be an issue even with no injuries.

If they do nothing today to even address the bench depth then they've failed. There are teams gifting away NBA bench depth who can also shoot for 2nd round picks. This FO should be all over that considering they give away 2nd round picks for 2034 2nd round picks.

Philly needs to get rid of a player for the incoming trade they just did. I would be all over them to get Shake Milton or Mike Scott or Zhaire Smith.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Vucevic's TS now 525. Wonder if that's the lowest in the league for a starting center?

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Filtered by C's who have played 40 games and AVG 20 minutes (starting C's) Vuc is:

4th highest USG%
2nd to last in TS%
3rd to last in EFG%


https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=TS_PCT&dir=-1&CF=GP*GE*40:MIN*GE*20&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

[OrlandoNed]

Vucevic's TS now 525. Wonder if that's the lowest in the league for a starting center?

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Filtered by C's who have played 40 games and AVG 20 minutes (starting C's) Vuc is:

4th highest USG%
2nd to last in TS%
3rd to last in EFG%


https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=TS_PCT&dir=-1&CF=GP*GE*40:MIN*GE*20&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

Yikes.

[jezzerinho]

Vucevic's TS now 525. Wonder if that's the lowest in the league for a starting center?

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Filtered by C's who have played 40 games and AVG 20 minutes (starting C's) Vuc is:

4th highest USG%
2nd to last in TS%
3rd to last in EFG%


https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=TS_PCT&dir=-1&CF=GP*GE*40:MIN*GE*20&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

Should be prohibited to be voted an All Star in a contract year!

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Vucevic's TS now 525. Wonder if that's the lowest in the league for a starting center?

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Filtered by C's who have played 40 games and AVG 20 minutes (starting C's) Vuc is:

4th highest USG%
2nd to last in TS%
3rd to last in EFG%


https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=TS_PCT&dir=-1&CF=GP*GE*40:MIN*GE*20&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

Yikes.

end of the day it's sad because this FO has done NOTHING to help the roster offensively. Vuc and Evan are the best 2 offensive options we have and they struggle to be efficient. You think a FO would see the need for help and try to make some moves even if they're small but this FO seems to just let the dominoes fall and sit back

[zaymon]

I don't understand why they refuse to add cheap 3pt shooting to the bench during the offseason. There are several teams out there that have 3pt shooters up and down the rosters, even guys that barely play that can shot the 3 and they go out of their way to address it.

We were very tight with our cap space. Players worth using mle like Jeremy Lamb signed for more. More over players who cant play small forward doesnt have much value for us with Fournier and Ross. Weltman propably thought that versatile forward defender like Aminu will be worth more in the future than one-way gunner. It is pain in the ass this year, but it will give us more flexibility going forward. Weltman also didnt want to expend any significant assets for this season becouse it was all about Fultz and Okeke recovery. This season is a sacrifice from the beginning.

[pepe1991]

Vucevic's TS now 525. Wonder if that's the lowest in the league for a starting center?

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Filtered by C's who have played 40 games and AVG 20 minutes (starting C's) Vuc is:

4th highest USG%
2nd to last in TS%
3rd to last in EFG%


https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=TS_PCT&dir=-1&CF=GP*GE*40:MIN*GE*20&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

Yikes.

Wanna hear sad part? With worst TS of his career he still shares 5th spot with Ross on a team ,and guys above him are at most 2% above him ( except Evan, who is like Superman among them on 59%)

Fultz 51%
Gordon 50%
Iwundu 50%
Birch 52%
MCW 51,9%

Building roster all around that can't shoot shrinked floor for everybody.

To this date, Evan Fournier is ONLY Magic player with Ts% over league's average.

IT's simply impossible to have good offense with so many players incapable of shooting or scoring in general ( or in most cases both ).

I just don't understand Weltman and Hammond. Can Frazier really be THAT bad that Iwundu keeps him behind for 2 years ? I highly doubt it. How about G league shooters?
HOw i possible that MCW, guy who has been cut from 5 teams, is Magic 25 mpg player now?

[jezzerinho]

Wanna hear sad part? With worst TS of his career he still shares 5th spot with Ross on a team ,and guys above him are at most 2% above him ( except Evan, who is like Superman among them on 59%)

Fultz 51%
Gordon 50%
Iwundu 50%
Birch 52%
MCW 51,9%

Wanna hear the sadder part? The combined salary of those 5 guys is only $7.7m over Vooch's paycheque. Vooch is paid to play better and to lead this team and he is coasting like a bum. He doesn't even look in prime physical shape, which should be no surprise to him or anyone else as he has been bullied by a decent chunk of bigs in the league for years. What's his response? Hit the gym in the offseason and come out a more muscular, robust post player? Show the team their faith in him and the money they paid him was well earned by leading by example?

Or run and hide behind mediocre numbers, playing soft and letting the team be the definition of average....

[pepe1991]

Wanna hear sad part? With worst TS of his career he still shares 5th spot with Ross on a team ,and guys above him are at most 2% above him ( except Evan, who is like Superman among them on 59%)

Fultz 51%
Gordon 50%
Iwundu 50%
Birch 52%
MCW 51,9%

Wanna hear the sadder part? The combined salary of those 5 guys is only $7.7m over Vooch's paycheque. Vooch is paid to play better and to lead this team and he is coasting like a bum. He doesn't even look in prime physical shape, which should be no surprise to him or anyone else as he has been bullied by a decent chunk of bigs in the league for years. What's his response? Hit the gym in the offseason and come out a more muscular, robust post player? Show the team their faith in him and the money they paid him was well earned by leading by example?

Or run and hide behind mediocre numbers, playing soft and letting the team be the definition of average....

Vuc takes $28 M of Magic's $130 M commited this year.
Let's not act like anybody else is setting world on fire and is playing for free.

Fultz will be highest payed rookie scale contract next year, Gordon sits on his sweet $20M a year, Aminu's MLE is cute $ 9,2 M for 18 games he played whole season, Ross has $12,5M to come off bench and take 15 bad shots. Birch and Bamba combine for $8,7M and give production of one funcional backup, Evan last year played like crap, still got his $17M.

Vučević shut down new allstar Bam Adebayo and made him his b*** few days back ( 1-8 FG, worst game of a season for him) but nobody wants to talk about it , ofc.

Soft $hit is best argument to use when there is valid ones to make.



What's next ? "xy player doesn't have heart" or" he is great because he runs hard" . Those are personal, biased, confirmation- from opinion seeking that fans make up to validate their personal agenda or opinion. Worst argument against somebody like Wiggins is " he doesn't play hard". That's flat out false and can't be validated EVEN if he actually does not ( and that's not true because you can't become NBA player without playing hard to being wih ). Problem with Wiggins in particular is that he is simply dumb player that does not how to position himself so he looks like he is lazy because he puts himself in situations where he can't recover from.

Vučević isn't athletic or agile to move around like Giannis or Gobert. Been that way for years. Wanna know the feeling? Try play with somebody who is way athletic than you, ofc you will come off looking like somebody who is too lazy to run around. In reality, guy is simply better athlete than you.
As for leading by example. At age of 28 he learned how to shoot 3s. Matter of fact nobody but Evan Fournier IN WHOLE TEAM has better 3 ball percentage .
So why don't other follow?
Maybe they are lazy and look out of shape ?
Or some of them are too busy smoking weed before TNT interviews to the point where Shaq and Wade mock him in front of millions of fans ?

[basketballRob]

Wanna hear sad part? With worst TS of his career he still shares 5th spot with Ross on a team ,and guys above him are at most 2% above him ( except Evan, who is like Superman among them on 59%)

Fultz 51%
Gordon 50%
Iwundu 50%
Birch 52%
MCW 51,9%

Wanna hear the sadder part? The combined salary of those 5 guys is only $7.7m over Vooch's paycheque. Vooch is paid to play better and to lead this team and he is coasting like a bum. He doesn't even look in prime physical shape, which should be no surprise to him or anyone else as he has been bullied by a decent chunk of bigs in the league for years. What's his response? Hit the gym in the offseason and come out a more muscular, robust post player? Show the team their faith in him and the money they paid him was well earned by leading by example?

Or run and hide behind mediocre numbers, playing soft and letting the team be the definition of average....

Amen

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[jezzerinho]

Vuc takes $28 M of Magic's $130 M commited this year.
Let's not act like anybody else is setting world on fire and is playing for free.

Fultz will be highest payed rookie scale contract next year, Gordon sits on his sweet $20M a year, Aminu's MLE is cute $ 9,2 M for 18 games he played whole season, Ross has $12,5M to come off bench and take 15 bad shots. Birch and Bamba combine for $8,7M and give production of one funcional backup, Evan last year played like crap, still got his $17M.

So your defence of Vooch's terribel production, depspite being the highest paid player on the team by some distance is "well, it's not like the other players are great either"??? Hey, fine, you can have that one no problem!!! Don't see how it excuses our "STAR" player and "Contract-Year-All-Star", but have at it.

Soft $hit is best argument to use when there is valid ones to make.



What's next ? "xy player doesn't have heart" or" he is great because he runs hard" . Those are personal, biased, confirmation- from opinion seeking that fans make up to validate their personal agenda or opinion. Worst argument against somebody like Wiggins is " he doesn't play hard". That's flat out false and can't be validated EVEN if he actually does not ( and that's not true because you can't become NBA player without playing hard to being wih ). Problem with Wiggins in particular is that he is simply dumb player that does not how to position himself so he looks like he is lazy because he puts himself in situations where he can't recover from.

I must have missed the Woj Bomb where Wiggins got traded to the Magic for Vooch.

isn't athletic or agile to move around like Giannis or Gobert. Been that way for years. Wanna know the feeling? Try play with somebody who is way athletic than you, ofc you will come off looking like somebody who is too lazy to run around. In reality, guy is simply better athlete than you.

Marc Gasol is a better athlete than Vooch? Vooch is incapable of improving his physique? Only a fool would expect him to become a Giannis or Gobert type. You're deflecting.

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[Xatticus]

Vučević shut down new allstar Bam Adebayo and made him his b*** few days back ( 1-8 FG, worst game of a season for him) but nobody wants to talk about it , ofc.

Vucevic was on Leonard. Birch was on Adebayo.

I'm sure Vucevic was on Adebayo at some point throughout the game? That certainly wasn't how we lined up to start though.

And yeah... Leonard went off because of Vucevic's reluctance to wade out beyond the 3-point line to defend him.

[407Junkie]

Clifford is exactly what Hornets fans said he is and warned us about but most fans here were too busy building a shrine and temple of Thanos already than to listen what Hornets fans had to say.

Hornets who Clifford run circles around ? Every coach with half a ball would bench Monk like Clifford did. Clifford is not perfect but for me he is top half of the coaches for sure

You’re smoking crack.

[pepe1991]

Vučević shut down new allstar Bam Adebayo and made him his b*** few days back ( 1-8 FG, worst game of a season for him) but nobody wants to talk about it , ofc.

Vucevic was on Leonard. Birch was on Adebayo.

I'm sure Vucevic was on Adebayo at some point throughout the game? That certainly wasn't how we lined up to start though.

And yeah... Leonard went off because of Vucevic's reluctance to wade out beyond the 3-point line to defend him.

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So yea, as i said, Bam could call Vuc his daddy after that one.

You are right about start of the game, Vuc was on Myles Leonard ( who scored 2 points in first quater) , but later for vast majority of the time, it was Bam on Vuc and Magic tried to rotate on Leonard. tbh, just like that one game were some other white- big man player went bananas from 3 ( can't remember whitch game or name of a player, nothing racist , that's just how i remember him lol) i assume Magic didn't really game plan much for Leonard's 3 ball.