Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

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That was a price targeted right at the Celtics, trying to fleece them lol. His true value for sure wasn't two firsts.

[trast66]

The 2018 draft picks on the Wizards roster: #13, #15, #25.

Never understood Jerome Robinson pick at #13. But for $3.7M next year I think a good move by the Wiz, exact type of shots we need to take on potentially undervalued talent.

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Oh... I guess that's it for IT unless some team picks him up to be the 15th guy.

[80sballboy]

Not known as a defender, what else is new? At some point, we'll need to find a wing (other than Bonga) and a 4/5, who can defend.

[nate33]

Don't necessarily get the McRae for Napier swap.

I get it.

With IT gone, it gives us a 2nd PG besides just Ish. That also frees up some time at SG for either Robinson or Mathews.

[nate33]

I think all the doomsayers who believed that Beal's unhappiness will lead to a terrible win-now trade can step off the ledge. The team still is firmly looking 2-3 years down the road. They're prioritizing the development of youth rather than winning an extra game or two with vets like McRae.

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So... we could have cut IT, but instead we throw him in with Sanon in a trade for Jerome Robinson.

We lose Sanon, but we get a discount on Robinson's salary by the amount we'd have paid IT.

In effect, the question about this trade is simple -- which is more valuable, Robinson or the rights to Sanon?

Jerome Robinson, alas, has been awful. Awful last year, awful this year. What's worse is that he was not a good college player. Not in any of his 3 years at Boston College.

"But, but," someone will say, "he's a tremendous 3 pt. shooter. He shot .409 on 3's his last year in college." In 800 NBA minutes, Robinson has taken 6.25 3-pointers per 40 minutes. That's a total 125 3 pt. attempts. He's at 29.8%.

I guess because he can't really put the ball on the floor, he's gotten to the line 1.4 times per 40 minutes. His FT% over those 800 minutes = 60.7%.

I don't like this move. Jerome Robinson is 100% a bust. Has no value. IT has no value. Sanon has the value of a R2 pick. So... it's like we gave a R2 pick for a bust.

Now, if Jerome Robinson develops into an NBA journeyman... I'll be wrong.

[nate33]

So... we could have cut IT, but instead we throw him in with Sanon in a trade for Jerome Robinson.

We lose Sanon, but we get a discount on Robinson's salary by the amount we'd have paid IT.

In effect, the question about this trade is simple -- which is more valuable, Robinson or the rights to Sanon?

Jerome Robinson, alas, has been awful. Awful last year, awful this year. What's worse is that he was not a good college player. Not in any of his 3 years at Boston College.

"But, but," someone will say, "he's a tremendous 3 pt. shooter. He shot .409 on 3's his last year in college." In 800 NBA minutes, Robinson has taken 6.25 3-pointers per 40 minutes. That's a total 125 3 pt. attempts. He's at 29.8%.

I guess because he can't really put the ball on the floor, he's gotten to the line 1.4 times per 40 minutes. His FT% over those 800 minutes = 60.7%.

I don't like this move. Jerome Robinson is 100% a bust. Has no value. IT has no value. Sanon has the value of a R2 pick. So... it's like we gave a R2 pick for a bust.

Now, if Jerome Robinson develops into an NBA journeyman... I'll be wrong.

That's basically my assessment as well. I think it's highly unlikely that Robinson becomes an asset. Of course, I said the same thing about Mo Wagner so WTF do I know?

[80sballboy]

So... we could have cut IT, but instead we throw him in with Sanon in a trade for Jerome Robinson.

We lose Sanon, but we get a discount on Robinson's salary by the amount we'd have paid IT.

In effect, the question about this trade is simple -- which is more valuable, Robinson or the rights to Sanon?

Jerome Robinson, alas, has been awful. Awful last year, awful this year. What's worse is that he was not a good college player. Not in any of his 3 years at Boston College.

"But, but," someone will say, "he's a tremendous 3 pt. shooter. He shot .409 on 3's his last year in college." In 800 NBA minutes, Robinson has taken 6.25 3-pointers per 40 minutes. That's a total 125 3 pt. attempts. He's at 29.8%.

I guess because he can't really put the ball on the floor, he's gotten to the line 1.4 times per 40 minutes. His FT% over those 800 minutes = 60.7%.

I don't like this move. Jerome Robinson is 100% a bust. Has no value. IT has no value. Sanon has the value of a R2 pick. So... it's like we gave a R2 pick for a bust.

Now, if Jerome Robinson develops into an NBA journeyman... I'll be wrong.

Tough to judge a player who is playing mainly garbage minutes. Shep liked him. Agree that 13 was a bit high.They brought him in to work out. Really a nothing deal if it doesn't work out unless Sanon turns into something in 2022. But if he liked him, let's see if he is right once he gets some real, legitimate minutes. Wagner looked like hot garbage with the Lakers and in Summer League. He's ok when healthy.
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/video/wizards-might-be-considering-jerome-robinson-15th-overall-pick

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The 2018 draft picks on the Wizards roster: #13, #15, #25.

Good catch!

[nate33]

The 2018 draft picks on the Wizards roster: #13, #15, #25.

Good catch!

What does Kevin Pelton's draft value chart say?

Can we trade the #13 + #15 + #25 pick for the #3 pick in that draft? Or even the #4 pick?

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I hope we don't find out what those offers were. If it turns out that the MEM pick was on the table, I'm going to be annoyed.

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Don't necessarily get the McRae for Napier swap.

I get it.

With IT gone, it gives us a 2nd PG besides just Ish. That also frees up some time at SG for either Robinson or Mathews.

Exactly.

& unlike the trade for Robinson, this was a good one. Napier is having an outstanding season.

[DCZards]

So... we could have cut IT, but instead we throw him in with Sanon in a trade for Jerome Robinson.

We lose Sanon, but we get a discount on Robinson's salary by the amount we'd have paid IT.

In effect, the question about this trade is simple -- which is more valuable, Robinson or the rights to Sanon?

Jerome Robinson, alas, has been awful. Awful last year, awful this year. What's worse is that he was not a good college player. Not in any of his 3 years at Boston College.

"But, but," someone will say, "he's a tremendous 3 pt. shooter. He shot .409 on 3's his last year in college." In 800 NBA minutes, Robinson has taken 6.25 3-pointers per 40 minutes. That's a total 125 3 pt. attempts. He's at 29.8%.

I guess because he can't really put the ball on the floor, he's gotten to the line 1.4 times per 40 minutes. His FT% over those 800 minutes = 60.7%.

I don't like this move. Jerome Robinson is 100% a bust. Has no value. IT has no value. Sanon has the value of a R2 pick. So... it's like we gave a R2 pick for a bust.

Now, if Jerome Robinson develops into an NBA journeyman... I'll be wrong.

That's basically my assessment as well. I think it's highly unlikely that Robinson becomes an asset. Of course, I said the same thing about Mo Wagner so WTF do I know?

...and some people here said the same thing about Bonga.

[nate33]

So... we could have cut IT, but instead we throw him in with Sanon in a trade for Jerome Robinson.

We lose Sanon, but we get a discount on Robinson's salary by the amount we'd have paid IT.

In effect, the question about this trade is simple -- which is more valuable, Robinson or the rights to Sanon?

Jerome Robinson, alas, has been awful. Awful last year, awful this year. What's worse is that he was not a good college player. Not in any of his 3 years at Boston College.

"But, but," someone will say, "he's a tremendous 3 pt. shooter. He shot .409 on 3's his last year in college." In 800 NBA minutes, Robinson has taken 6.25 3-pointers per 40 minutes. That's a total 125 3 pt. attempts. He's at 29.8%.

I guess because he can't really put the ball on the floor, he's gotten to the line 1.4 times per 40 minutes. His FT% over those 800 minutes = 60.7%.

I don't like this move. Jerome Robinson is 100% a bust. Has no value. IT has no value. Sanon has the value of a R2 pick. So... it's like we gave a R2 pick for a bust.

Now, if Jerome Robinson develops into an NBA journeyman... I'll be wrong.

That's basically my assessment as well. I think it's highly unlikely that Robinson becomes an asset. Of course, I said the same thing about Mo Wagner so WTF do I know?

...and some people here said the same thing about Bonga.

My issue with Bonga is that I don't think he will really become a rotation-caliber player until he is off his rookie deal. Basically, he'll never be cheaper than his production. It'll be sort of like Kelly Oubre. You spend the time developing him, but then, when he's finally ready to be productive, you have to pay him a market rate.

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I hope we don't find out what those offers were. If it turns out that the MEM pick was on the table, I'm going to be annoyed.

Agreed. If we follow it up by signing Davis for $15m/year it'll be worse yet.

Boston has 3 picks in R1 -- the Memphis pick which you mention (would be #17 today), their own pick (#25), & Milwaukee's pick (#30). If we were asking the first two, I would have been shocked if Boston had accepted. Ditto if it was the first & third.

Most likely it was the last 2, & Boston turned us down anyway -- which they were right to do. I'd have been thrilled to get any 2 R1 picks for Bertans. & happy to get any 1. I'd have asked for the Memphis pick, retreated to the Celtics' own pick, & bent to the #30 if it was the best I could do.

Oh well...

[DCZards]

That's basically my assessment as well. I think it's highly unlikely that Robinson becomes an asset. Of course, I said the same thing about Mo Wagner so WTF do I know?

...and some people here said the same thing about Bonga.

My issue with Bonga is that I don't think he will really become a rotation-caliber player until he is off his rookie deal. Basically, he'll never be cheaper than his production. It'll be sort of like Kelly Oubre. You spend the time developing him, but then, when he's finally ready to be productive, you have to pay him a market rate.

Isn't that going to be true of most 19 or 20 year olds drafted late in the first round like Bonga? It will probably be even moreseo when they start drafting kids straight out of high school again in the next couple of years.

It's just something that ALL teams, and not just the Zards, will have to learn to deal with.

BTW, his D alone has already made Bonga a rotation-caliber player, imo.

[trast66]

It seems like smart teams are valuing centers like running backs in the NFL, a cheap fungible commodity. You can pick one up on the scrap heap and be just fine. Everyone wants wings and more wings who hit threes and can switch on D. Individual rebounding stats at this level are irrelevant (Ben Taylor Thinking Basketball podcast on this is good). Non lottery draft first round picks also seem to be devalued and "player development" is stressed. Raptors have had no lottery picks and have a lot of young talent for example.

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So... we could have cut IT, but instead we throw him in with Sanon in a trade for Jerome Robinson.

We lose Sanon, but we get a discount on Robinson's salary by the amount we'd have paid IT.

In effect, the question about this trade is simple -- which is more valuable, Robinson or the rights to Sanon?

Jerome Robinson, alas, has been awful. Awful last year, awful this year. What's worse is that he was not a good college player. Not in any of his 3 years at Boston College.

"But, but," someone will say, "he's a tremendous 3 pt. shooter. He shot .409 on 3's his last year in college." In 800 NBA minutes, Robinson has taken 6.25 3-pointers per 40 minutes. That's a total 125 3 pt. attempts. He's at 29.8%.

I guess because he can't really put the ball on the floor, he's gotten to the line 1.4 times per 40 minutes. His FT% over those 800 minutes = 60.7%.

I don't like this move. Jerome Robinson is 100% a bust. Has no value. IT has no value. Sanon has the value of a R2 pick. So... it's like we gave a R2 pick for a bust.

Now, if Jerome Robinson develops into an NBA journeyman... I'll be wrong.

That's basically my assessment as well. I think it's highly unlikely that Robinson becomes an asset. Of course, I said the same thing about Mo Wagner so WTF do I know?

I'll be thrilled if M becomes a plus player -- I don't think he has yet. Yet... even without that, his play has been a positive surprise given where he was in SL. Maybe that means he has significant development in him?