2019-2020 Trade Deadline Thread

[Thunder Up]

bae simmons is 23 years old and in his two playoffs combined he's putting up 15/9/7 on 58% ts on 19.2% usage, 2%+ block and steal percentages. did you freak out when kevin durant was shut down by ron artest against the lakers during one of his first playoffs? what about when russell westbrook put up a sub-.500 ts in 2011 playoffs? this is a stupid argument. simmons has a wart to his game, he can't shoot jump shots, but he's so elite at just about everything else that it really doesn't matter much. he's basically a taller, more versatile jason kidd.

Except Jason Kidd shot the basketball

[getrichordie]

Glad u are back for some discussion/trash talk Bondom...just kidding

It's a frustrating day as a Thunder fan and I get it. I know most casual are happy we stand pat but it's clearly not the best direction for our team. However, I think it's important to take into account that we didn't know what offers were offered for our players and that the market looked really bad with only a couple of teams willing to give up some value (mainly Houston tbh).

That being said, we knew it was going to be a slow processo and we are still doing very well.SGA is living up to the expectations (still unclear what his celling is) and one of Dort/Bazley could become a good player. If CP3 keeps playing like this I don't think we will need to trade multiple assets to trade him, while we may have a chance to trade Schroeder for positive value in the offseason (dude was garbage and a net negative before the season started).

Most of our good unprotected picks are in the 2022-2026 range so I guess they will have more value in 1-2 years.

But yeah, Presti has a lot of work to do in the summer. We can't repeat what we are doing this season (even if we are a fun team to watch).

We will definitely be much more active next year, in my opinion. We can't afford to just stand pat. We have potentially two 1st rounders this year and Adams will be an expiring next year so we have a big decision to make with his contract whether that is trading him for bad contracts + incentive or staying put and asking him to hang around for the rebuild. Dude is gonna be 27 in a few months.

And then there is a decision to be made about Ferguson as he will be entering his 4th season next year but, as of current, doesn't have much to show for it. He just hasn't gotten better.

I can see us keeping Schroder past his current deal. He seems to enjoy it here and I can see Schroder and SGA being a solid foundation for our 1&2 for the next 5 years. My hope is we can re-tool and be competitive again after Paul's contract comes off the books.

[slick_watts]

bae simmons is 23 years old and in his two playoffs combined he's putting up 15/9/7 on 58% ts on 19.2% usage, 2%+ block and steal percentages. did you freak out when kevin durant was shut down by ron artest against the lakers during one of his first playoffs? what about when russell westbrook put up a sub-.500 ts in 2011 playoffs? this is a stupid argument. simmons has a wart to his game, he can't shoot jump shots, but he's so elite at just about everything else that it really doesn't matter much. he's basically a taller, more versatile jason kidd.

Except Jason Kidd shot the basketball

thru age 27 jason kidd's usage was 20%, the same as ben simmons' is to this point. and kidd was far less efficient relative to league average. and this is with three seasons of a short three point line, as well. kidd didn't become a more voluminous shooter until he joined the nets, and even then he was woefully inefficient- especially in the playoffs. he was so great at so many other things though that he was still a super star. the same is true for ben simmons.

[getrichordie]

bae simmons is 23 years old and in his two playoffs combined he's putting up 15/9/7 on 58% ts on 19.2% usage, 2%+ block and steal percentages. did you freak out when kevin durant was shut down by ron artest against the lakers during one of his first playoffs? what about when russell westbrook put up a sub-.500 ts in 2011 playoffs? this is a stupid argument. simmons has a wart to his game, he can't shoot jump shots, but he's so elite at just about everything else that it really doesn't matter much. he's basically a taller, more versatile jason kidd.

Except Jason Kidd shot the basketball

thru age 27 jason kidd's usage was 20%, the same as ben simmons' is to this point. and kidd was far less efficient relative to league average. and this is with three seasons of a short three point line, as well. kidd didn't become a more voluminous shooter until he joined the nets, and even then he was woefully inefficient- especially in the playoffs. he was so great at so many other things though that he was still a super star. the same is true for ben simmons.

Ben Simmons is a star. I wouldn't say he is a super star. There is a difference.

[Thunder Up]

Ben Simmons is not a superstar... I repeat he is **** a superstar.

[slick_watts]

Ben Simmons is not a superstar... I repeat he is **** a superstar.

he absolutely is. he's a top 15-20 player. maybe higher, in the right situation. and he's only 23. if simmons was on this team you would salivate over him and appreciate the things he does that don't pop out on slash lines. his capabilities on defense and in transition (both ways) are unique to him at his position. argue semantics if you want to, but don't pull simmons' name through the mud for b.s. reasons. especially when you were aggressively supportive of westbrook last year, his warts and all.

[Thunder Up]

Ben Simmons is not a superstar... I repeat he is **** a superstar.

he absolutely is. he's a top 15-20 player. maybe higher, in the right situation. and he's only 23. if simmons was on this team you would salivate over him and appreciate the things he does that don't pop out on slash lines. his capabilities on defense and in transition (both ways) are unique to him at his position. argue semantics if you want to, but don't pull simmons' name through the mud for b.s. reasons. especially when you were aggressively supportive of westbrook last year, his warts and all.

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[spearsy23]

Simmons is legitimately great. His wart is one that prevents him from being the number 1 option on a great team scoring wise, but be can definitely bethe best player on a contender.

[spearsy23]

Spoiler:

Ben Simmons is not a superstar... I repeat he is absolutely-f*cking-NOT a superstar.

he absolutely is. he's a top 15-20 player. maybe higher, in the right situation. and he's only 23. if simmons was on this team you would salivate over him and appreciate the things he does that don't pop out on slash lines. his capabilities on defense and in transition (both ways) are unique to him at his position. argue semantics if you want to, but don't pull simmons' name through the mud for b.s. reasons. especially when you were aggressively supportive of westbrook last year, his warts and all.

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Is Russell Westbrook a superstar?

[Thunder Up]

slick, if Ben Simmons is a superstar (he is not a f*cking superstar you are a crackhead) then there are about 30 superstars in the NBA, which there are not. There are about 5.

[Thunder Up]

Spoiler:

he absolutely is. he's a top 15-20 player. maybe higher, in the right situation. and he's only 23. if simmons was on this team you would salivate over him and appreciate the things he does that don't pop out on slash lines. his capabilities on defense and in transition (both ways) are unique to him at his position. argue semantics if you want to, but don't pull simmons' name through the mud for b.s. reasons. especially when you were aggressively supportive of westbrook last year, his warts and all.

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Is Russell Westbrook a superstar?

borderline, he's been playing like it for the past month

[slick_watts]

slick, if Ben Simmons is a superstar (he is not a f*cking superstar you are a crackhead) then there are about 30 superstars in the NBA, which there are not. There are about 5.

i'm done arguing whether he is a super star. that's a nebulous term. the definition i use is a potential best player on a championship team. i don't think it's controversial to suggest that simmons is that right now, and he's 23 so he's going to get better. he's a top 15-20 player in my book in his current situation which is not optimal for him with the changes the sixers have made the last year or so.

please calm down. being wrong isn't something to get angry about. happens to us all.

[Thunder Up]

slick, if Ben Simmons is a superstar (he is not a **** superstar you are a crackhead) then there are about 30 superstars in the NBA, which there are not. There are about 5.

i'm done arguing whether he is a super star. that's a nebulous term. the definition i use is a potential best player on a championship team. i don't think it's controversial to suggest that simmons is that right now, and he's 23 so he's going to get better. he's a top 15-20 player in my book in his current situation which is not optimal for him with the changes the sixers have made the last year or so.

please calm down. being wrong isn't something to get angry about. happens to us all.

problem is I'm not wrong.
superstar is a term for Giannis, and if Ben stopped playing like a pussy on offense he could be that good. but he doesn't have "it" as much as you want to believe he does.

[slick_watts]

slick, if Ben Simmons is a superstar (he is not a **** superstar you are a crackhead) then there are about 30 superstars in the NBA, which there are not. There are about 5.

i'm done arguing whether he is a super star. that's a nebulous term. the definition i use is a potential best player on a championship team. i don't think it's controversial to suggest that simmons is that right now, and he's 23 so he's going to get better. he's a top 15-20 player in my book in his current situation which is not optimal for him with the changes the sixers have made the last year or so.

please calm down. being wrong isn't something to get angry about. happens to us all.

problem is I'm not wrong.
superstar is a term for Giannis, and if Ben stopped playing like a pussy on offense he could be that good. but he doesn't have "it" as much as you want to believe he does.

the rest of the world is not obligated to adhere to your made up nomenclature. i respect that you have a different definition of the term 'superstar', a definition that that is so indistinct and nebulous that you say it applies to 'about 5' players. and current russell westbrook is apparently on the cusp of being in this select group- according to you. i mean, it's your definition though so you're free to make up whatever you want. that's the beauty of evaluating players based on arbitrary concepts like whether or not they have "it".

i'm done though. i'm still too hyped on the afterglow of the super bowl (even though the niners lost) that i can't reduce myself to this dumb squabbling! check back in if you want to chat about what ben simmons actually does on the court instead of what fantasy labels you want to put on him.

[Thunder Up]

i'm done arguing whether he is a super star. that's a nebulous term. the definition i use is a potential best player on a championship team. i don't think it's controversial to suggest that simmons is that right now, and he's 23 so he's going to get better. he's a top 15-20 player in my book in his current situation which is not optimal for him with the changes the sixers have made the last year or so.

please calm down. being wrong isn't something to get angry about. happens to us all.

problem is I'm not wrong.
superstar is a term for Giannis, and if Ben stopped playing like a pussy on offense he could be that good. but he doesn't have "it" as much as you want to believe he does.

the rest of the world is not obligated to adhere to your made up nomenclature. i respect that you have a different definition of the term 'superstar', a definition that that is so indistinct and nebulous that you say it applies to 'about 5' players. and current russell westbrook is apparently on the cusp of being in this select group- according to you. i mean, it's your definition though so you're free to make up whatever you want. that's the beauty of evaluating players based on arbitrary concepts like whether or not they have "it".

32-8-8-2 on 52% from the field is a superstar level performance there, little buddy.

[Thunder Up]

i'm done arguing whether he is a super star. that's a nebulous term. the definition i use is a potential best player on a championship team. i don't think it's controversial to suggest that simmons is that right now, and he's 23 so he's going to get better. he's a top 15-20 player in my book in his current situation which is not optimal for him with the changes the sixers have made the last year or so.

please calm down. being wrong isn't something to get angry about. happens to us all.

problem is I'm not wrong.
superstar is a term for Giannis, and if Ben stopped playing like a pussy on offense he could be that good. but he doesn't have "it" as much as you want to believe he does.

the rest of the world is not obligated to adhere to your made up nomenclature. i respect that you have a different definition of the term 'superstar', a definition that that is so indistinct and nebulous that you say it applies to 'about 5' players. and current russell westbrook is apparently on the cusp of being in this select group- according to you. i mean, it's your definition though so you're free to make up whatever you want. that's the beauty of evaluating players based on arbitrary concepts like whether or not they have "it".

i'm done though. i'm still too hyped on the afterglow of the super bowl (even though the niners lost) that i can't reduce myself to this dumb squabbling! check back in if you want to chat about what ben simmons actually does on the court instead of what fantasy labels you want to put on him.

The rest of the world does not think Ben Simmons is a superstar.
People like you throw the term "superstar" around like people throw the word "love" around.
Attemping 5 shots as a 6'10" freak of nature athlete playing PG is some bull. Having zero jump shot after 4 professional seasons is some bull.

Ben Simmons will never be a superstar, nor live up to his enormous potential by being passive on the offensive end and never learning how to shoot the basketball (or at least even attempting to let it fly)

[Old Man Game]

How did this devolve into a discussion of Ben Simmons?

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[slick_watts]

People like you throw the term "superstar" around like people throw the word "love" around.

[slick_watts]

How did this devolve into a discussion of Ben Simmons?

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i dunno but i'm done with it. this thread has run its course anyway, right?

[Sea2003]

problem is I'm not wrong.
superstar is a term for Giannis, and if Ben stopped playing like a pussy on offense he could be that good. but he doesn't have "it" as much as you want to believe he does.

the rest of the world is not obligated to adhere to your made up nomenclature. i respect that you have a different definition of the term 'superstar', a definition that that is so indistinct and nebulous that you say it applies to 'about 5' players. and current russell westbrook is apparently on the cusp of being in this select group- according to you. i mean, it's your definition though so you're free to make up whatever you want. that's the beauty of evaluating players based on arbitrary concepts like whether or not they have "it".

i'm done though. i'm still too hyped on the afterglow of the super bowl (even though the niners lost) that i can't reduce myself to this dumb squabbling! check back in if you want to chat about what ben simmons actually does on the court instead of what fantasy labels you want to put on him.

The rest of the world does not think Ben Simmons is a superstar.
People like you throw the term "superstar" around like people throw the word "love" around.
Attemping 5 shots as a 6'10" freak of nature athlete playing PG is some bull. Having zero jump shot after 4 professional seasons is some bull.

Ben Simmons will never be a superstar, nor live up to his enormous potential by being passive on the offensive end and never learning how to shoot the basketball (or at least even attempting to let it fly)

I don't think Simmons would have as much of an impact in a team with shooters like Giannis but, i do think he has superstar potential. It all depends on him developing a jumper.