Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins

[clyde21]

They traded Iggy because that was the agreement when he joined. We obviously wouldn't have traded him and would still have an old team with no scoring and no depth. 2021 pick can be used to improve the team both short and long term depending whether we keep it or trade it. 2024 pick is too far away to help this core compete.

i know, that's not my point. my point is the same asset they used to get Winslow we gave THEM a future first just to take...that's Myers completely not understand the value of Iggy on the market.

You can't compare situations. Myers was trying to free up money fast to sign D-Lo versus Memphis taking time to listen to offers.
Whether this trade works out or not, I'd rather a GM being proactive and taking chances rather than playing it safe and settling.

yes I can, Myers panicked and not only gave away a + asset for nothing but attached a future pick (could be a really high one, too) just so he pay D-Lo 30mil a pop.

again, we essentially traded Iggy and a 24 FRP for Wiggins and a 21 FRP...that's not a good deal...the Wiggins contract on its own is a negative asset that needed a 1st just to unload.

[GrandTheftRondo]

okay that 2024 first is completely unprotected, and Iggy is still a + asset, Memphis just turned him into Winslow, so not only did he give Iggy away in a salary dumb to overpay DLo, he gave away that future first to do it

and Wiggins is a complete net negative player, Minny probably needed to include a 1st just to get out of his contract, let alone trade him and a 1st for DLo.

so no, this is not extracting good value AT ALL.

Yeah if Warriors just let KD go they would have Iggy (possibly Winslow), their 2024 1st and they wouldn't have been hard capped, which means they could have resigned guys last off-season, they could have used their MLE, they could have multiple vet mins right now.

Myers is surely picking Wiseman, not ideal but it's safe.

yup...let's pretend the Dlo trade never happened and we trade Iggy for Winslow

we wouldn't have the 21 pick, but we would still have our 24 pick so those cancel each other out (the 21 pick is top 3 protected too but let's ignore that), and we'd have Winslow @ his contract vs. Wiggins at his on this team right now...

Myers played himself

Winslow has had serious back issues all season. He was probably available now because the Heat had lost patience and wanted someone else. At the start of the season he was still a young player who I’m sure the Heat thought would contribute for them.

[clyde21]

Meh you’d think Justice Winslow was James Worthy by the way some talk about him on here.

no, but he's still a + asset, he's a legit young starter on a very team friendly contract...Wiggins is a net negative on the court who's getting paid max money

you don't see the difference here?

[og15]

Not really. How great is Barnes now that he's not on Warriors? How's his defense. His lateral movement was always slow.

Wiggins is a huge upgrade over HB (and I used to have a man crush on HB lol).

It's in fashion to knock Wiggins as some kind of flop. You can't call a guy that averages 22 a night on an otherwise crappy team a bust.

He's going to be great...and I think the Warriors are going to have a 65 win year next year.

Being a bust is relative to expectations as well as draft position, there's no ppg threshold that makes a player not a bust. Wiggins is certainly a bust for a #1 pick with superstar expectations, doesn't mean some team can't find a role for him that makes him most effective as possible, but we'll see.

Haha so what do we call Bennet? Lmao

Bennet is not simply a bust for a #1 pick, he was a bust as an NBA player altogether. As a #1 pick he was a waste of a pick, he was a super bust.

[zhenyasj]

They traded Iggy because that was the agreement when he joined. We obviously wouldn't have traded him and would still have an old team with no scoring and no depth. 2021 pick can be used to improve the team both short and long term depending whether we keep it or trade it. 2024 pick is too far away to help this core compete.

i know, that's not my point. my point is the same asset they used to get Winslow we gave THEM a future first just to take...that's Myers completely not understand the value of Iggy on the market.

Yup. He treated Iggy like he was a horrible contract that he had to tie a 1st round pick to just to unload. While in reality Iggy was clearly an asset teams were willing to giveup assets for. So the fact that Myers just handed him away for nothing and threw in a 1st is just embarrassingly dumb.

So you'd rather have Iggy and 2024 than Wiggins and 2021? I wouldn't, given that the second scenario at least gives Warriors a chance to improve their core while the championship window is still open.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Warriors stay laughing. People are going to cry next year when they have curry Thompson wiggins green looney paschall + draft picks. Minnesota is still a lottery team they will still be in the lottery next year as well that pick will be juicy for the warriors

Legit made no sense for them to hold onto DLO especially if they could fill a position of need. Flipping a walking KD into a solid wing and draft compensation is a huge win

There's no guarantee that Wolves will be bad next year.

Starters: DLo, Culver, Layman, PF, Towns
Bench: PG, Beasley, Okogie, JJ, Juancho

They have about $22m in capspace in the offseason for a starting PF and not much competition (Millsap, Favors, Ibaka, Gallo)

Then for backup PG they have a $5m MLE, a top 10 draft pick 2020 and pick 15-18 2020 from nets.

That roster looks like the same sort of awful we’ve seen in Minnesota for years.

Where’s the defence? Where is the big improvement coming from to achieve things in the tough West?

Unless they struck gold in the draft, Culver grows very quickly or they miraculously sign a difference maker in free agency that roster is going to be mediocre once again.

[gorz]

Light years.

lmao

[life_saver]

It's kinda hilarious seeing some people on twitter being suddenly optimistic about Wiggins becoming a star now that he has left Minnesota..apparently Warriors culture and playing alongside Steph, Klay & Draymond is gonna make him better Wiggins is at his worst when he has to play more off-ball. He isn't even a good shooter to play the role of spot up shooter well.

[CS707]

i know, that's not my point. my point is the same asset they used to get Winslow we gave THEM a future first just to take...that's Myers completely not understand the value of Iggy on the market.

You can't compare situations. Myers was trying to free up money fast to sign D-Lo versus Memphis taking time to listen to offers.
Whether this trade works out or not, I'd rather a GM being proactive and taking chances rather than playing it safe and settling.

yes I can, Myers panicked and not only gave away a + asset for nothing but attached a future pick (could be a really high one, too) just so he pay D-Lo 30mil a pop.

again, we essentially traded Iggy and a 24 FRP for Wiggins and a 21 FRP...that's not a good deal...the Wiggins contract on its own is a negative asset that needed a 1st just to unload.

Don’t we technically have the TPE for Andre as well?

[rtiff68]

Yes...why is that a bad thing? cut your losses, I don't want bad contract Wiggins just so "i don't lose Durant for nothing".

Unless you’re footing the bill for crappy Wiggins’ salary, I’m not sure why you would have this take.

Nothing for Durant vs. Wiggins’ salary and a potentially VERY valuable lottery pick? I’ll take the latter, especially because it’s not like we could spend the money on Wiggins’ salary elsewhere...

because it's bad contract and a negative asset on our team that's gonna make it harder for us to actually win games long term? what does this have to do with me footing the bill or not?

So the DiLo contract minus the forthcoming FRP was a worse asset? I’m especially perplexed when looking at this take long term.

[Duke4life831]

i know, that's not my point. my point is the same asset they used to get Winslow we gave THEM a future first just to take...that's Myers completely not understand the value of Iggy on the market.

Yup. He treated Iggy like he was a horrible contract that he had to tie a 1st round pick to just to unload. While in reality Iggy was clearly an asset teams were willing to giveup assets for. So the fact that Myers just handed him away for nothing and threw in a 1st is just embarrassingly dumb.

So you'd rather have Iggy and 2024 than Wiggins and 2021? I wouldn't, given that the second scenario at least gives Warriors a chance to improve their core while the championship window is still open.

I'd rather have Winslow/2024 pick over Wiggins and the 2021 pick.

I assume if GS kept Iggy they'd still be a garbage team this year and a good chance they could've gotten the same kind of return Memphis did for him.

Winslow is injury prone without a doubt, but he is also the far superior impactful player without a doubt when he's on the court. Even if Winslow doesn't fit with the team, his contract is far easier to package and deal if that would be the route the team chose to go. Wiggins deal is beyond garbage.

[Marvin Martian]

And Russell is good is he?

Russell is much better than Wiggins. A more efficient scorer and a better playmaker and led the Nets to the playoffs last season.

Both are similar efficiency wise. You’d want to hope Russell is a better playmaker seeing as he came into the league as a point guard.

If your argument for Russell being good is well he isn’t Wiggins then that says a lot about Russell’s ability as a player.

Making the playoffs once in the East as the seventh seed isn’t exactly some amazing achievement. He was also trash in that series.

I’m not arguing for Wiggins but how do people think Russell had any use for the Warriors next season? He’s awful defensively and would force Klay to play the 3, a position he is too small for. At least with Wiggins he’s bigger and allows Klay to play his natural position.

Warriors were stuck with a mediocre player either way.

GS would have no 3rd scorer or a secondary ballhandler going into next season. With Green's offense disappearing and Klay coming off a major injury, this core is not the same one that won 73 games. Russell has much more utility than Wiggins who can neither defend or help take pressure from Curry and Klay.

[zhenyasj]

Yup. He treated Iggy like he was a horrible contract that he had to tie a 1st round pick to just to unload. While in reality Iggy was clearly an asset teams were willing to giveup assets for. So the fact that Myers just handed him away for nothing and threw in a 1st is just embarrassingly dumb.

So you'd rather have Iggy and 2024 than Wiggins and 2021? I wouldn't, given that the second scenario at least gives Warriors a chance to improve their core while the championship window is still open.

I'd rather have Winslow/2024 pick over Wiggins and the 2021 pick.

I assume if GS kept Iggy they'd still be a garbage team this year and a good chance they could've gotten the same kind of return Memphis did for him.

Winslow is injury prone without a doubt, but he is also the far superior impactful player without a doubt when he's on the court. Even if Winslow doesn't fit with the team, his contract is far easier to package and deal if that would be the route the team chose to go. Wiggins deal is beyond garbage.

Given that Myers can't tell the future, he didn't expect Steph to get hurt and for the season to turn out the way it did. Given what we knew at that point in time, Iggy was not a a positive asset and what Memphis got for him now is irrelevant.

[justme400e]

IMO it's difficult to grade a deal completely until either the draft choices are made or the picks are used in trade to acquire other players. This will be a great thread to revisit when the picks are used.

[whatisacenter]

Yup. He treated Iggy like he was a horrible contract that he had to tie a 1st round pick to just to unload. While in reality Iggy was clearly an asset teams were willing to giveup assets for. So the fact that Myers just handed him away for nothing and threw in a 1st is just embarrassingly dumb.

So you'd rather have Iggy and 2024 than Wiggins and 2021? I wouldn't, given that the second scenario at least gives Warriors a chance to improve their core while the championship window is still open.

I'd rather have Winslow/2024 pick over Wiggins and the 2021 pick.

I assume if GS kept Iggy they'd still be a garbage team this year and a good chance they could've gotten the same kind of return Memphis did for him.

Winslow is injury prone without a doubt, but he is also the far superior impactful player without a doubt when he's on the court. Even if Winslow doesn't fit with the team, his contract is far easier to package and deal if that would be the route the team chose to go. Wiggins deal is beyond garbage.

The reason GSW made the deal for DLo was to keep an extra max salary on the roster moving forward. If they had let Durant walk for nothing they would not be able to have that ability moving forward. I'm willing to see what Wiggins can do playing with the Warriors before jumping off the Golden Gate.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Russell is much better than Wiggins. A more efficient scorer and a better playmaker and led the Nets to the playoffs last season.

Both are similar efficiency wise. You’d want to hope Russell is a better playmaker seeing as he came into the league as a point guard.

If your argument for Russell being good is well he isn’t Wiggins then that says a lot about Russell’s ability as a player.

Making the playoffs once in the East as the seventh seed isn’t exactly some amazing achievement. He was also trash in that series.

I’m not arguing for Wiggins but how do people think Russell had any use for the Warriors next season? He’s awful defensively and would force Klay to play the 3, a position he is too small for. At least with Wiggins he’s bigger and allows Klay to play his natural position.

Warriors were stuck with a mediocre player either way.

GS would have no 3rd scorer or a secondary ballhandler going into next season. With Green's offense disappearing and Klay coming off a major injury, this core is not the same one that won 73 games. Russell has much more utility than Wiggins who can neither defend or help take pressure from Curry and Klay.

So Wiggins doesn’t count as a scorer because?

Also not sure how long you’ve been watching the Warriors for but Draymond has always been their secondary ball handler. Having anyone after that isn’t really a big deal. Their offence revolves around ball movement not guys pounding the rock.

[510TWSS]

Meh you’d think Justice Winslow was James Worthy by the way some talk about him on here.

no, but he's still a + asset, he's a legit young starter on a very team friendly contract...Wiggins is a net negative on the court who's getting paid max money

you don't see the difference here?

ofc I see the differences, I'm just not as upset over the outcome. 2021 1st > 2024 1st plus I'm not over the moon about wiggins, but coming the Dubs - there is upside he could be better than his Minnesota version. Would I bet on it, probably not but it's a possibility.

I'm more willing to accept the dubs just didn't think Iggy was going to fetch as much as he got. I'm not gonna bemoan 'missing' out on Winslow. Yeah Wiggins contract sucks, but there's upside there in terms of fit with Steph and Klay - plus Minnesota's pick? I'm Gucci.

[Dupp]

I thought warriors getting dlo was a good move as he was seen as a decent asset at the time and just assumed they’d always get roco.

That really turned to **** though.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

It's kinda hilarious seeing some people on twitter being suddenly optimistic about Wiggins becoming a star now that he has left Minnesota..apparently Warriors culture and playing alongside Steph, Klay & Draymond is gonna make him better Wiggins is at his worst when he has to play more off-ball. He isn't even a good shooter to play the role of spot up shooter well.

Its insane.

If Wiggins gave any sort of a s*it about bball, this would be a match made, but he's a lazy player. Brilliant looking sometimes and he can glide through the air with the best of them...but for every brilliant move, theres a 3 or 4 terrible 2s from 18 feet that is bricked

I'll admit, he's cut back a lot on the 2s this year. but ive seen enough of Wiggins to ever get caught in the hope train with him again. Anyone on here who says he can be a star, just gotta roll your eyes and move on..theyre wasting their time

[flavio_93]

Amazed that people think D'angelo Russell is a positive asset - he literally had a minus 48 rating yesterday. Isn't he the equivalent of Marco Bellineli on defense?

At least Wiggins could play D - and hasn't been terrible on D this year - although, I don't know the whole story here.

Which team has Wiggins led to the playoffs?


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