Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins

[grindtime22]

Yup. He treated Iggy like he was a horrible contract that he had to tie a 1st round pick to just to unload. While in reality Iggy was clearly an asset teams were willing to giveup assets for. So the fact that Myers just handed him away for nothing and threw in a 1st is just embarrassingly dumb.

So you'd rather have Iggy and 2024 than Wiggins and 2021? I wouldn't, given that the second scenario at least gives Warriors a chance to improve their core while the championship window is still open.

I'd rather have Winslow/2024 pick over Wiggins and the 2021 pick.

I assume if GS kept Iggy they'd still be a garbage team this year and a good chance they could've gotten the same kind of return Memphis did for him.

Winslow is injury prone without a doubt, but he is also the far superior impactful player without a doubt when he's on the court. Even if Winslow doesn't fit with the team, his contract is far easier to package and deal if that would be the route the team chose to go. Wiggins deal is beyond garbage.

Memphis also took on 30 million next year to make the deal happen right?

[Duke4life831]

So you'd rather have Iggy and 2024 than Wiggins and 2021? I wouldn't, given that the second scenario at least gives Warriors a chance to improve their core while the championship window is still open.

I'd rather have Winslow/2024 pick over Wiggins and the 2021 pick.

I assume if GS kept Iggy they'd still be a garbage team this year and a good chance they could've gotten the same kind of return Memphis did for him.

Winslow is injury prone without a doubt, but he is also the far superior impactful player without a doubt when he's on the court. Even if Winslow doesn't fit with the team, his contract is far easier to package and deal if that would be the route the team chose to go. Wiggins deal is beyond garbage.

Memphis also took on 30 million next year to make the deal happen right?

GS is taking on 30+ million for the next 3 years with Wiggins. Cap wise they aren't any better off with this route than say the package Memphis got.

[grindtime22]

I'd rather have Winslow/2024 pick over Wiggins and the 2021 pick.

I assume if GS kept Iggy they'd still be a garbage team this year and a good chance they could've gotten the same kind of return Memphis did for him.

Winslow is injury prone without a doubt, but he is also the far superior impactful player without a doubt when he's on the court. Even if Winslow doesn't fit with the team, his contract is far easier to package and deal if that would be the route the team chose to go. Wiggins deal is beyond garbage.

Memphis also took on 30 million next year to make the deal happen right?

GS is taking on 30+ million for the next 3 years with Wiggins. Cap wise they aren't any better off with this route than say the package Memphis got.

Yeah, no doubt...... I just don't think the return that Memphis got for Iggy is nearly as big as I thought.

[Duke4life831]

Memphis also took on 30 million next year to make the deal happen right?

GS is taking on 30+ million for the next 3 years with Wiggins. Cap wise they aren't any better off with this route than say the package Memphis got.

Yeah, no doubt...... I just don't think the return that Memphis got for Iggy is nearly as big as I thought.

Winslow when healthy has shown to be a really solid starter who is extremely versatile, he is also still only 23 (same age as Brandon Clarke). He is also on a very team friendly deal as well. That is a pretty solid return for Iggy who was on an expiring contract and not even playing for them. The other guys were just throw ins but not really big cap issues. Dion is already getting bought out and they flipped James Johnson for Dieng. I think Memphis ended up looking pretty good since for awhile many people laughed at the idea of them asking for a 1st round in return for Iggy.

[tribulations]

Call me crazy but I think Wiggins will do better in the Bay as part of a winning culture (forget this years' aberration ofc) where hes asked to do less.


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[Zvaart]

I'd rather have Winslow/2024 pick over Wiggins and the 2021 pick.

I assume if GS kept Iggy they'd still be a garbage team this year and a good chance they could've gotten the same kind of return Memphis did for him.

Winslow is injury prone without a doubt, but he is also the far superior impactful player without a doubt when he's on the court. Even if Winslow doesn't fit with the team, his contract is far easier to package and deal if that would be the route the team chose to go. Wiggins deal is beyond garbage.

Memphis also took on 30 million next year to make the deal happen right?

GS is taking on 30+ million for the next 3 years with Wiggins. Cap wise they aren't any better off with this route than say the package Memphis got.

i don't specifically like the trade, but i would have liked the one involving Justise even less. he is injury prone, and he started to show something when Miami put the ball in his hands. i read on a regular basis the miami boards, and almost everybody there wanted to get rid of him. so even if there is a question mark about wiggins, i thing there are bigger ones regarding Winslow. and dion, yuck. cancer. james johnson is overpaid as well.

[grindtime22]

GS is taking on 30+ million for the next 3 years with Wiggins. Cap wise they aren't any better off with this route than say the package Memphis got.

Yeah, no doubt...... I just don't think the return that Memphis got for Iggy is nearly as big as I thought.

Winslow when healthy has shown to be a really solid starter who is extremely versatile, he is also still only 23 (same age as Brandon Clarke). He is also on a very team friendly deal as well. That is a pretty solid return for Iggy who was on an expiring contract and not even playing for them. The other guys were just throw ins but not really big cap issues. Dion is already getting bought out and they flipped James Johnson for Dieng. I think Memphis ended up looking pretty good since for awhile many people laughed at the idea of them asking for a 1st round in return for Iggy.

I guess in a market where teams aren't going to be clamoring to get space for great free agents it might not be a big deal. I guess what I'm saying is are you really getting much for Iggy after you account for the 30 million in space? In a normal offseason that buys you a couple lottery protected 1st round picks. It was a trade exception, but the ability to take 17 worked out pretty well for them. Maybe that space can't buy you anything this summer.

I'm just thinking of what part of the value is truly being paid for Iggy and what part is being paid because you took 30 million off their books next year?

What would you pay Dieng on a 1 year deal right now? Less than 10 right? So you have a possible opportunity cost of 20 million in cap space once you add Waiters.

What do you think Winslow is worth in purely draft compensation at this point?

[Klomp]

In framing the discussion over the Timberwolves’ acquisition of D’Angelo Russell, I don’t think enough attention is being paid to the reality sitting right in front of Minnesota’s face: That they had massively erred by giving a max contract to such an ordinary player in Wiggins. Yes, he can periodically do a convincing impression of an All-Star, but even now, in his sixth season, his sum total on-court achievements are not hugely discernible from players who make a fraction of the money.

If you don’t believe me, compare the stats of Wiggins and the man he’ll be replacing in Golden State. No, not Russell – I’m talking about Alec Burks, who signed a minimum contract this summer and was traded to Philadelphia on Thursday for a package of second-round picks:

Burks: 26.6 pts, 7.8 reb, 5.2 ast per 100, 55.2 TS%, 16.3 PER.
Wiggins: 30.3 pts, 7.0 reb, 5.0 ast per 100, 53.5 TS%, 16.4 PER.

https://theathletic.com/1590506/2020/02/06/hollinger-the-key-to-the-dangelo-russell-trade-isnt-who-minnesota-received-its-who-they-traded/

[The_Brecht]

I love it.

[HeartBreakKid]

Light years!



Weird people trying to rationalise this. Wiggins sucks and his contract is terrible.

And Russell is good is he?

Russell is much better than Wiggins. A more efficient scorer and a better playmaker and led the Nets to the playoffs last season.

Russell gets way too much credit for that...the Nets were a deep team. Russell for what ever reason is allocated all the credit because he was the most healthy, but you could argue he wasn't the most impactful net, and even if he was it wasn't like he carried them. The Nets would have made the playoffs without D'lo - heck, they're doing it this season without him or Irving.

[spikeslovechild]

Wiggins -2.5 BPM, -1.4 VORP, 52%TS for his career. (442 games)

People want to pretend Wiggins is a good player when you all have eyeballs and receipts. This is a terrible trade for the GSW he was one of the worst players in the NBA by those who actually know basketball.

He doesn't play defense. He doesn't score. He isn't commited to the game or getting better so even though crazy enough he's still only 24 his age doesn't matter. Dlo isn't some messiah either but he is guy who can score on volume while still being efficient. Is he overpaid? Yes but he's still a good player. I have no idea what the GSW are doing they don't even get the Wolves pick THIS year and it's top 3 protected. Wiggins is a huge - asset. Dlo is at worst a neutral asset. So to me the Wolves won this trade hands down now the Covington trade is a major head scratcher especially considering they could have either kept ROCO or moved Towns to PF. They made a major mistake not taking back Capela.

It's always a mixed bag with them

[I_Like_Dirt]

I think people are skewing their perceptions by only looking at things one way with Wiggins and Russell. Wiggins' net +/- has been a plus every year of his career except for his rookie season, often significantly so. Russell has been a - for every year of his career except last season on the Nets, when he was +0.1. Just because Wiggins doesn't get blocks or steals and takes the tougher midrange shots that teams still do need somebody to take doesn't necessarily make him less impactful. And given that every publicly available defensive stat seems to rely heavily on blocks and steals, it's not necessarily a great comparison defensively; not to say that Wiggins is a good defender, but Russell isn't better, that's for sure.

[Soca]

They traded Iggy because that was the agreement when he joined. We obviously wouldn't have traded him and would still have an old team with no scoring and no depth. 2021 pick can be used to improve the team both short and long term depending whether we keep it or trade it. 2024 pick is too far away to help this core compete.

i know, that's not my point. my point is the same asset they used to get Winslow we gave THEM a future first just to take...that's Myers completely not understand the value of Iggy on the market.

Yup. He treated Iggy like he was a horrible contract that he had to tie a 1st round pick to just to unload. While in reality Iggy was clearly an asset teams were willing to giveup assets for. So the fact that Myers just handed him away for nothing and threw in a 1st is just embarrassingly dumb.

Did you really think a team with Cap Space was going to absorb the entire 17 mil left on Iguodala's deal without an asset attached? Sorry that wasn't happening for a 36 year old Iguodala.

[LKN]

But y tho?

[The_Hater]

I think this is one of the most interesting trades in years.

Russell is the better player but I also think he’s grossly overrated and has too many negatives to be a high level impact player. But Wiggins arguably had the worst contract in the entire league.

I’m not completely sure if Minnesota overpaid or underpaid for this swap but I’m leaning towards overpaying. I guess it will depend on how they fill out the roster this summer and where that pick ends up landing in 2021 but I rarely think it’s a good idea for bad teams to trade future 1st round picks.

I’m not betting of the Warriors salvaging Wiggins career though, some players just don’t want it badly enough and are too stubborn or lazy to change their fate.

[Quentin]

I think people are skewing their perceptions by only looking at things one way with Wiggins and Russell. Wiggins' net +/- has been a plus every year of his career except for his rookie season, often significantly so. Russell has been a - for every year of his career except last season on the Nets, when he was +0.1. Just because Wiggins doesn't get blocks or steals and takes the tougher midrange shots that teams still do need somebody to take doesn't necessarily make him less impactful. And given that every publicly available defensive stat seems to rely heavily on blocks and steals, it's not necessarily a great comparison defensively; not to say that Wiggins is a good defender, but Russell isn't better, that's for sure.

What? Where are you seeing this?

[I_Like_Dirt]

I’m not betting of the Warriors salvaging Wiggins career though, some players just don’t want it badly enough and are too stubborn or lazy to change their fate.

I don't think it's salvaging or anything. I just don't think Wiggins is quite as bad as he's made out to be. He isn't great or anything but I think he's closer to a Demar DeRozan level player than anything. DeRozan himself was and is a polarizing player who's impact has never matched his base numbers but he's still alright. I'm not convinced Russell is necessarily better than him. I think these guys are essentially a toss-up on who's better right now with Russell having less downside but also less upside and the Wolves just paid a pretty steep price for less risk on a player who isn't particularly good.

[gorz]

I think this is one of the most interesting trades in years.

Russell is the better player but I also think he’s grossly overrated and has too many negatives to be a high level impact player. But Wiggins arguably had the worst contract in the entire league.

I’m not completely sure if Minnesota overpaid or underpaid for this swap but I’m leaning towards overpaying. I guess it will depend on how they fill out the roster this summer and where that pick ends up landing in 2021 but I rarely think it’s a good idea for bad teams to trade future 1st round picks.

I’m not betting of the Warriors salvaging Wiggins career though, some players just don’t want it badly enough and are too stubborn or lazy to change their fate.

What are his many negatives? I can only think of defense.

[The_Hater]

I think this is one of the most interesting trades in years.

Russell is the better player but I also think he’s grossly overrated and has too many negatives to be a high level impact player. But Wiggins arguably had the worst contract in the entire league.

I’m not completely sure if Minnesota overpaid or underpaid for this swap but I’m leaning towards overpaying. I guess it will depend on how they fill out the roster this summer and where that pick ends up landing in 2021 but I rarely think it’s a good idea for bad teams to trade future 1st round picks.

I’m not betting of the Warriors salvaging Wiggins career though, some players just don’t want it badly enough and are too stubborn or lazy to change their fate.

What are his many negatives? I can only think of defense.

He’s a high volume yet inefficient scorer. And that’s been every season. He’s not that great playing without the ball which made him a highly questionable fit on GS next season (and was a huge reason they traded him). Golden State was no better when Russell on the floor this season then without him, it was pretty much neutral, which is pretty damning evidence against his overall impact considering who was playing in his absence. And he’s not just a bad defender, he’s one of the worst defensive players in the entire league.

I’m quite certain that an NBA team can’t contend with Russell as one of their best players. You need your best players to be either highly efficient scorers or 2 way players and he’s neither.

[PG24]

One aspect which has gone unnoticed that should be noted as we forever link these two players together moving forward after the trade, consider this date: February 23rd -- Russell [1 yr younger albeit] and Wiggins share the same birth date.