Warriors Trade D'Angelo Russell To Wolves For Andrew Wiggins, 2021 Unprotected FRP

[Badbobby]

If Draymond ever gets the fire back then Wiggins better watch out. If KD couldn’t handle it then poor old Andrew is going to crumble.

[alienpick]

KAT gets his buddy in Russ, and the Warriors avoid the repeater tax with a not-so-bad wing in Wiggins who can flourish in Kerr’s system.

pfft, the Warriors just traded trade-bait for trade-bait and a pick. they'll pocket the pick and shop Wiggins. Kerr, Dray, Klay and Steph aren't going to want to work with a lazy bum like Wiggins.

[luss54321]

Don't get why Bob Myer pulled this off, he could have waited till the offseason. It really depends on how the 2021 pick turn out to be. Contract wise Wiggins is just as big a burden for us as DLo, but at least he fills a need at the SF spot and he can score. It looks like we are getting our old Harrison Barnes back with a bit less D and bit more O.

i don't think any waiting is necessary to know that their defense (severely underrated during their chip runs) wld fall off a cliff with D'Lo. the play was always going to be to trade D'Lo @ some pt.Wiggins is actually a nice fit with their core and there's still some untapped potential there imho. the 'only' top 3 protected '21 pick was probably the main impetus for GS to get a deal done.

if they did take a hard pass here - what else do u see out there that packages a rotation level player AND a potentially high 21 FRP? KAT's pretty grumpy right now, so i think there was urgency for the Wolves to get sumn done now. no guarantee this package wld be available in the summer

People have been talking about Wiggins "untapped potential" for 6 years now. At some point you have to accept who a player is.

[dice]

Don't get why Bob Myer pulled this off, he could have waited till the offseason. It really depends on how the 2021 pick turn out to be. Contract wise Wiggins is just as big a burden for us as DLo, but at least he fills a need at the SF spot and he can score. It looks like we are getting our old Harrison Barnes back with a bit less D and bit more O.

i don't think any waiting is necessary to know that their defense (severely underrated during their chip runs) wld fall off a cliff with D'Lo. the play was always going to be to trade D'Lo @ some pt.Wiggins is actually a nice fit with their core and there's still some untapped potential there imho. the 'only' top 3 protected '21 pick was probably the main impetus for GS to get a deal done.

if they did take a hard pass here - what else do u see out there that packages a rotation level player AND a potentially high 21 FRP? KAT's pretty grumpy right now, so i think there was urgency for the Wolves to get sumn done now. no guarantee this package wld be available in the summer

I'm sorry...did you mention Russell's bad defense and leave out wiggins?

this deal for the warriors was all about getting out of the luxury tax and picking up a potentially golden draft pick in the process. the wolves just locked themselves into mediocrity (at best) for the length of russell's contract

[dice]

Why did this take so long? Everyone kept reporting the Wolves were obsessed with DLo and made it seem like the Warriors just wouldn't be reasonable. I heard someone say the Wolves offered two 1st round picks and the Warriors wouldn't do it unless they had Minny's 1st this year unprotected thrown in too.

And now it comes out that they essentially gave DLo away. I mean, congrats to Minnesota. They won that game of hardball. I just don't understand why they didn't make this move earlier in the season when they still had a shot at the playoffs.

The wolves didn't want to part with picks IMO. Now they did but acquired an extra one in Covington deal. I think they didn't want to trade Roco just for picks and were intrigued by Beasley.

Basically is
Wiggins+Roco+2021 Top3 protected first
Beasley+Dlo+2020 Top14 protected fist (nets)

Yeah but that's not what was reported. I remember Zach Lowe saying he heard people around the league saying Minny was lusting after DeAngelo Russell like he was Michael Jordan. I think I remember him saying the Wolves offered GSW three 1st round picks & Golden State said no. It was definitely multiple 1st rounders.

I was absolutely SHOCKED at how little the Warriors got from Minnesota. That's not the package of a team that's lusting over a player. That's the package of a team who says "Meh, yeah ok I guess so". Very underwhelming return for GSW.

may be an underwhelming return, but it's about as good as they could have hoped for. nobody wanted russell's contract. the only reason he was acquired in the first place was because the warriors figured they were over the cap already and might as well take an overpaid asset back for Durant and hope to flip him for a sucker at the deadline. they found that sucker in the timberpups, although I'm sure they hoped for more

if you'd have asked the warriors last summer if they would take on wiggins' contract along with a very lightly protected timberwoves 1st rounder, they probably would have shrugged their shoulders and said, "eh, OK"

[dice]

Why did this take so long? Everyone kept reporting the Wolves were obsessed with DLo and made it seem like the Warriors just wouldn't be reasonable. I heard someone say the Wolves offered two 1st round picks and the Warriors wouldn't do it unless they had Minny's 1st this year unprotected thrown in too.

And now it comes out that they essentially gave DLo away. I mean, congrats to Minnesota. They won that game of hardball. I just don't understand why they didn't make this move earlier in the season when they still had a shot at the playoffs.

pretty simple. they would have had to give up more earlier in the season. the warriors have probably been sending out feelers to teams since the day they signed russell. they just couldn't find much interest and had to settle for what they could get at the deadline. and what they got was frankly more than they had any right to expect. acquiring russell was a small gamble. they hoped to get lucky and flip him and kinda did

[TheCage4]

KAT gets his buddy in Russ, and the Warriors avoid the repeater tax with a not-so-bad wing in Wiggins who can flourish in Kerr’s system.

pfft, the Warriors just traded trade-bait for trade-bait and a pick. they'll pocket the pick and shop Wiggins. Kerr, Dray, Klay and Steph aren't going to want to work with a lazy bum like Wiggins.

They’ll need to include a first to move Wiggins. If you want to look at it from a who won perspective, it was the Wolves.

The Warriors did nothing to improve their team now or next year, and they have an albatross of a contract in that “lazy bum” Wiggins.

[dautjazz]

wow good for wiggins. smaller role. hopefully he can find himself in that role

How quickly people forget... he HAD a smaller role when Jimmy Butler was there and he was still awful.

Wiggins just took a big step forward this year. Wiggins is about to turn 25 this month, he played with Butler between the ages of 21-23, that's very early in one's career, not everyone has the same development curve. I do feel that Curry and Thompson providing tons of spacing, Wiggins should be a little more free to wander in the paint. I think this was a great trade for GS.

[arasu]

KAT gets his buddy in Russ, and the Warriors avoid the repeater tax with a not-so-bad wing in Wiggins who can flourish in Kerr’s system.

pfft, the Warriors just traded trade-bait for trade-bait and a pick. they'll pocket the pick and shop Wiggins. Kerr, Dray, Klay and Steph aren't going to want to work with a lazy bum like Wiggins.

They’ll need to include a first to move Wiggins. If you want to look at it from a who won perspective, it was the Wolves.

The Warriors did nothing to improve their team now or next year, and they have an albatross of a contract in that “lazy bum” Wiggins.

The term "albatross contract" is reserved for players that can't be moved, which is players who can't get playing time, while getting paid near the highest in the league.

[dice]

KAT gets his buddy in Russ, and the Warriors avoid the repeater tax with a not-so-bad wing in Wiggins who can flourish in Kerr’s system.

pfft, the Warriors just traded trade-bait for trade-bait and a pick. they'll pocket the pick and shop Wiggins. Kerr, Dray, Klay and Steph aren't going to want to work with a lazy bum like Wiggins.

They’ll need to include a first to move Wiggins. If you want to look at it from a who won perspective, it was the Wolves.

that's a joke. the only legitimate means of becoming a contending team that the wolves have is to hit on a stud in the draft. and they just pissed away one of those opportunities to acquire a guy that will never make them good

[dice]

pfft, the Warriors just traded trade-bait for trade-bait and a pick. they'll pocket the pick and shop Wiggins. Kerr, Dray, Klay and Steph aren't going to want to work with a lazy bum like Wiggins.

They’ll need to include a first to move Wiggins. If you want to look at it from a who won perspective, it was the Wolves.

The Warriors did nothing to improve their team now or next year, and they have an albatross of a contract in that “lazy bum” Wiggins.

The term "albatross contract" is reserved for players that can't be moved, which is players who can't get playing time, while getting paid near the highest in the league.

that's your own unique definition. one that absolutely nobody ascribes to. wiggins's contract is most definitely an albatross. one of the worst in the league and has been since the day it was signed

[dice]

wow good for wiggins. smaller role. hopefully he can find himself in that role

How quickly people forget... he HAD a smaller role when Jimmy Butler was there and he was still awful.

Wiggins just took a big step forward this year.

a big step forward to about where he was 3 years ago

Wiggins is about to turn 25 this month, he played with Butler between the ages of 21-23, that's very early in one's career, not everyone has the same development curve. I do feel that Curry and Thompson providing tons of spacing, Wiggins should be a little more free to wander in the paint. I think this was a great trade for GS.

make no mistake about it: the warriors downgraded on talent in exchange for a valuable draft pick and tax relief. if wiggins can be a poor man's harrison barnes for them, bonus

[arasu]

They’ll need to include a first to move Wiggins. If you want to look at it from a who won perspective, it was the Wolves.

The Warriors did nothing to improve their team now or next year, and they have an albatross of a contract in that “lazy bum” Wiggins.

The term "albatross contract" is reserved for players that can't be moved, which is players who can't get playing time, while getting paid near the highest in the league.

that's your own unique definition. one that absolutely nobody ascribes to. wiggins's contract is most definitely an albatross. one of the worst in the league and has been since the day it was signed

You're just wrong. It has gradually been twisted into a term referring to a contract that some people think is excessive. These days I see folks griping about most fairly large contracts, and throwing around "albatross". I'm sure there are plenty of people who see Russell's contract as an "albatross". It's general negative definition is as a "curse" or a "burden", and it was originally used in this sense on NBA contracts specifically for the immovable ones, not just some contract that some guy thinks is a bit overpaid. By diluting it's meaning to just "overpaid" it loses any real difference from the word "overpaid". It's like when people call everything "awesome", they dilute the actual meaning of the word. You can follow the less strict meaning of such words, but I'll correct you just the same.

[dice]

The term "albatross contract" is reserved for players that can't be moved, which is players who can't get playing time, while getting paid near the highest in the league.

that's your own unique definition. one that absolutely nobody ascribes to. wiggins's contract is most definitely an albatross. one of the worst in the league and has been since the day it was signed

You're just wrong.

nobody agrees with you. wiggins's contract is AWFUL. an albatross by any reasonable definition, including the actual definition

By diluting it's meaning to just "overpaid"...

that's not what's going on here. you're making **** up to suit your argument. few think that wiggins is merely "overpaid." he is GROSSLY overpaid. there's a reason the wolves had to give up a very valuable pick to dump his ass. in exchange for another bad contract!

you could reasonably argue that russell is merely overpaid and not an albatross. there is NO sane case to make for wiggins's deal not being an albatross

put a poll on the general board if you don't believe me. "is wiggins's contract: A) decent, B) bad, C) horrendous; an albatross" and most people will choose C. as in not merely overpaid. it's pretty much common sense to anyone who is familiar w/ his game that he's grossly overpaid. it was a laughable, foolish decision on the part of the wolves to sign him to that extension when he had done absolutely nothing to deserve it

[TheCage4]

pfft, the Warriors just traded trade-bait for trade-bait and a pick. they'll pocket the pick and shop Wiggins. Kerr, Dray, Klay and Steph aren't going to want to work with a lazy bum like Wiggins.

They’ll need to include a first to move Wiggins. If you want to look at it from a who won perspective, it was the Wolves.

that's a joke. the only legitimate means of becoming a contending team that the wolves have is to hit on a stud in the draft. and they just pissed away one of those opportunities to acquire a guy that will never make them good

Ugggh. I'm looking over my posts and I am trying to find where I called the Wolves a contending team. Hmmm, no, no I didn't at all. I simply stated that KAT and Russ are friends and that the Warriors received a not-so-bad wing in Wiggins that will work in Kerr's system. I then went on say Russell > Wiggins, and that cannot be argued logically.

The Warriors are champions. Curry, Klay and Green didn't need Durant to win a title, and they most likely wouldn't of needed Russell to win another one either. But to think that Wiggins is going to net the Warriors any type of value in a future deal beyond when he is an expiring contract is highly questionable (and yes, it is because of his contract/production). You should hope that he can fill that Harrison Barnes type role and help the team overall, which I believe he will.

[Dr Huge Pecs]

Why the Ws won[vine][/vine]
Wiggins will thrive as a 4/5 option... no pressure (minnesota squanders talent ...remember the good old days of jimmy butler...klove...rubio...even garnett every one found more success elsewhere) wiggins isnt any one of those guys but he is a talent. The Ws can make use of him. Hes far too athletic not to be a harrison barnes type contributor... a good coach can make you D up.

Dlo... iso showman, the end. Spencer dinwiddie is a far better player just doesnt have the draft status dlo came in with.

Change of scenery for wiggins could help him turn it around. Dlo, what you see is what you get, wont lead to many wins though.

[Killboard]

The wolves didn't want to part with picks IMO. Now they did but acquired an extra one in Covington deal. I think they didn't want to trade Roco just for picks and were intrigued by Beasley.

Basically is
Wiggins+Roco+2021 Top3 protected first
Beasley+Dlo+2020 Top14 protected fist (nets)

Yeah but that's not what was reported. I remember Zach Lowe saying he heard people around the league saying Minny was lusting after DeAngelo Russell like he was Michael Jordan. I think I remember him saying the Wolves offered GSW three 1st round picks & Golden State said no. It was definitely multiple 1st rounders.

I was absolutely SHOCKED at how little the Warriors got from Minnesota. That's not the package of a team that's lusting over a player. That's the package of a team who says "Meh, yeah ok I guess so". Very underwhelming return for GSW.

may be an underwhelming return, but it's about as good as they could have hoped for. nobody wanted russell's contract. the only reason he was acquired in the first place was because the warriors figured they were over the cap already and might as well take an overpaid asset back for Durant and hope to flip him for a sucker at the deadline. they found that sucker in the timberpups, although I'm sure they hoped for more

if you'd have asked the warriors last summer if they would take on wiggins' contract along with a very lightly protected timberwoves 1st rounder, they probably would have shrugged their shoulders and said, "eh, OK"

It was not a good deal when you consider they could have had Roco locked for 2 more season after this one for half money Wiggins make.

[dice]

They’ll need to include a first to move Wiggins. If you want to look at it from a who won perspective, it was the Wolves.

that's a joke. the only legitimate means of becoming a contending team that the wolves have is to hit on a stud in the draft. and they just pissed away one of those opportunities to acquire a guy that will never make them good

Ugggh. I'm looking over my posts and I am trying to find where I called the Wolves a contending team. Hmmm, no, no I didn't at all.

ugggh. i'm looking over my posts and i am trying to find where i said that you called the wolves a contending team. hmmm, no, no i didn't at all. because they're NOT a contending team. that would be a goddamn moronic claim

what i was ACTUALLY doing was operating under the common sense assumption that teams make moves with the future goal of being a contender. and the wolves hurt themselves in that regard by dealing for a bad contract and dumping a viable means of strongly improving in the process

i'll say it one more time: the wolves will be mediocre at best for the length of russell's contract

[TheCage4]

that's a joke. the only legitimate means of becoming a contending team that the wolves have is to hit on a stud in the draft. and they just pissed away one of those opportunities to acquire a guy that will never make them good

Ugggh. I'm looking over my posts and I am trying to find where I called the Wolves a contending team. Hmmm, no, no I didn't at all.

ugggh. i'm looking over my posts and i am trying to find where i said that you called the wolves a contending team. hmmm, no, no i didn't at all. because they're NOT a contending team. that would be a goddamn moronic claim

what i was ACTUALLY doing was operating under the common sense assumption that teams make moves with the future goal of being a contender. and the wolves hurt themselves in that regard by dealing for a bad contract and dumping a viable means of strongly improving in the process

i'll say it one more time: the wolves will be mediocre at best for the length of russell's contract

You know what they say about assuming, don’t you?

The Wolves didn’t hurt themselves by any means. They acquired an All-Star caliber PG and their franchise players best friend. It’s a step in the right direction no matter how much you try and discredit the move.

[dice]

Ugggh. I'm looking over my posts and I am trying to find where I called the Wolves a contending team. Hmmm, no, no I didn't at all.

ugggh. i'm looking over my posts and i am trying to find where i said that you called the wolves a contending team. hmmm, no, no i didn't at all. because they're NOT a contending team. that would be a goddamn moronic claim

what i was ACTUALLY doing was operating under the common sense assumption that teams make moves with the future goal of being a contender. and the wolves hurt themselves in that regard by dealing for a bad contract and dumping a viable means of strongly improving in the process

i'll say it one more time: the wolves will be mediocre at best for the length of russell's contract

You know what they say about assuming, don’t you?

you're right. it's entirely possible that the wolves do not operate their franchise with the primary goal of being a championship contender. which would explain this trade

The Wolves didn’t hurt themselves by any means. They acquired an All-Star caliber PG and their franchise players best friend. It’s a step in the right direction no matter how much you try and discredit the move.

watch and learn

if it takes playing with his overpaid, ball-dominant best friend to maximize KAT's potential, there are even bigger problems than i thought in minnesota