Joel Embiid - The Prophecy is Realized

[Mik317]

Both Biid and Ben are not THAT good of players to build a team around. But between Ben and Biid, Ben needs more help because he has more flaws to his game.

If you neglect Ben, like how we did in the last two seasons, then you’ll end up playing 4v5 on those crucial playoff matches.

While I pray that you can have acceptance that Ben will never shoot. Just think about it.. let’s say we have JJ and Jimmy. Biid is playing well.. Jimmy is the second option. JJ is the third leading scorer. What’s left with Ben? A 6’10 player who’s role is to bring down the ball and go to the corner to shoot corner 3s at below league average?

Right now, the reason why we’re looking like 4v5 is because of Biid. Not because of the roster, but it’s either because of his health or his ego.

The way I see it, in the offseason, we should trade some picks and Josh Rich for a guy to make Biid happy. Someone like CJ McCollum. But who knows.. maybe Burks, Milton or Shayok can play that role.

Why is its okay for Ben to just not shoot ever? Like wtf is that ****? Ben having to have everything based around him to the detriment of everyone else is **** stupid.

This idea that "oh he will never shoot..oh well" is nuts. That is a major issue.

Embiid has to grow up and be better but holy **** the constant babbying of Ben annoys the **** out of me. This dude can only play if he's the PG and if everyone shoots but him and the moment that isn't the case, he just stands there and gets in the way so we must do everything in our power to play to his strengths and his strengths only. How the **** does that work? Dude spent all summer showing off his jumper, then shoots 2 all year and then never again and it is just being shrugged off as fine?

Last night, the whole team was jacking 3s. I was told constantly that would allow Ben to wreck shop...and yet he had 11 points and the second worse +- on the team and was completely neutralized down the stretch and allows Giannis to rest and roam. ANd yet here you are telling us that this is a good thing and all falls on Embiid? You even said Horford's 5-17 was good. Are you trolling or something because the logic just does not add up.

I make sure to constantly state that Embiid has to be better and it is not okay that he is a slug right now, so I let everyone know that I am not playing favorites here but holy **** I feel like I am in the matrix or some **** with the constant and baffling allowance of Ben simply refusing to do the most basic ****. Giannis shot two airballs last night...but kept shooting and eventually that made the defense second guess and attempt at least make Giannis thinl they would contest...that allowed him to get that head of steam and make things happen./..and it damn sure didn't hurt the team.

Am I taking crazy pills or some ****? what is your deal rn?

[Mik317]

and now you are caping for colangelo?

yeah you just like to be the contrarian.

I get it now

[mhunt]

Look how much more explosive he was when he was thinner.

https://youtu.be/0bI_VREi7yQ

That's the Embiid we need. He's not the next Shaq. He needs to slim down & use the athleticism he used to have when he was carrying less weight.

[nrok10307]

Too many times Joel was a black hole on offense against the Bucks. He would cause the defense to collapse and should have passed to the open shooters (Furk, Shake, etc.) - instead he just laid bricks. Frustrating that he still hasn't learned to use his gravity to make the role players better on offense.

[76ciology]

Both Biid and Ben are not THAT good of players to build a team around. But between Ben and Biid, Ben needs more help because he has more flaws to his game.

If you neglect Ben, like how we did in the last two seasons, then you’ll end up playing 4v5 on those crucial playoff matches.

While I pray that you can have acceptance that Ben will never shoot. Just think about it.. let’s say we have JJ and Jimmy. Biid is playing well.. Jimmy is the second option. JJ is the third leading scorer. What’s left with Ben? A 6’10 player who’s role is to bring down the ball and go to the corner to shoot corner 3s at below league average?

Right now, the reason why we’re looking like 4v5 is because of Biid. Not because of the roster, but it’s either because of his health or his ego.

The way I see it, in the offseason, we should trade some picks and Josh Rich for a guy to make Biid happy. Someone like CJ McCollum. But who knows.. maybe Burks, Milton or Shayok can play that role.

Why is its okay for Ben to just not shoot ever? Like wtf is that ****? Ben having to have everything based around him to the detriment of everyone else is **** stupid.

This idea that "oh he will never shoot..oh well" is nuts. That is a major issue.

Embiid has to grow up and be better but holy **** the constant babbying of Ben annoys the **** out of me. This dude can only play if he's the PG and if everyone shoots but him and the moment that isn't the case, he just stands there and gets in the way so we must do everything in our power to play to his strengths and his strengths only. How the **** does that work? Dude spent all summer showing off his jumper, then shoots 2 all year and then never again and it is just being shrugged off as fine?

Last night, the whole team was jacking 3s. I was told constantly that would allow Ben to wreck shop...and yet he had 11 points and the second worse +- on the team and was completely neutralized down the stretch and allows Giannis to rest and roam. ANd yet here you are telling us that this is a good thing and all falls on Embiid? You even said Horford's 5-17 was good. Are you trolling or something because the logic just does not add up.

I make sure to constantly state that Embiid has to be better and it is not okay that he is a slug right now, so I let everyone know that I am not playing favorites here but holy **** I feel like I am in the matrix or some **** with the constant and baffling allowance of Ben simply refusing to do the most basic ****. Giannis shot two airballs last night...but kept shooting and eventually that made the defense second guess and attempt at least make Giannis thinl they would contest...that allowed him to get that head of steam and make things happen./..and it damn sure didn't hurt the team.

Am I taking crazy pills or some ****? what is your deal rn?

Ben is not going to shoot because he can’t be a good shooter. He is handicapped with the basic fundamental of shooting with the wrong shooting hand. He will never get the consistency of an NBA caliber shooter.

Not only that, by deferring to this. He will be reduced to a 6’10 player who bring down the ball and spacing the ball for Embiid at the corner.

Thinking at the overall picture, I believe you can have a more potent offense with a guard like Ben driving and kicking out to shooters than Biid posting and kicking out to shooters.

Biid’s style of posting up won’t get you far in today’s game.

There’s just a lot of advantage for the offensive player when he’s facing the rim than backing at the basket. This is why in the last 10 years the best offensive players are more of guys who score facing the basket than back to the basket.

Back to the basket should not be completely taken away but it should not be your primary option.

[MambaJuice]

I'm as disappointed in Embiid as anyone. But I'm still not ready to ship him out (don't think it hasn't crossed my mind). I want to see what another coach can do before we call it quits.

But Embiid needs to get in shape and lock himself in the gym and become a better shooter if he insists on taking this many 3s. Biid becoming a legit stretch 5 and filling the rest of the starting lineup with shooters alongside Ben could be the key to unlocking this offense. We just do what Milwaukee does, just with Giannis-lite and Lopez ++.

[VDT]

Both Biid and Ben are not THAT good of players to build a team around. But between Ben and Biid, Ben needs more help because he has more flaws to his game.

If you neglect Ben, like how we did in the last two seasons, then you’ll end up playing 4v5 on those crucial playoff matches.

While I pray that you can have acceptance that Ben will never shoot. Just think about it.. let’s say we have JJ and Jimmy. Biid is playing well.. Jimmy is the second option. JJ is the third leading scorer. What’s left with Ben? A 6’10 player who’s role is to bring down the ball and go to the corner to shoot corner 3s at below league average?

Right now, the reason why we’re looking like 4v5 is because of Biid. Not because of the roster, but it’s either because of his health or his ego.

The way I see it, in the offseason, we should trade some picks and Josh Rich for a guy to make Biid happy. Someone like CJ McCollum. But who knows.. maybe Burks, Milton or Shayok can play that role.

This doesnt make sense though. If you have one player that doesnt fit (and is not your best player either) and the team almost beat the champions the logical thing to do is to move said player. Not change the whole team to make this player fit. I am not even saying to necesserily trade Simmons but that your logic is flawed. You dont move a better player out of position to help a more flawed player. The team is not playing 4v5 either, i am not sure why you say that. What you see now is just a bad on court fit that has damaged the team confidence and chemistry, and you have players not wanting to play in this system, and it's not just Embiid.

[76ciology]

and now you are caping for colangelo?

Always been. He’s underpraised and overcriticized. But im not going into a lengthy debate for that because people here have irrational admiration for hinkie

[ankle420breaker]

When was the last time Embiid pump faked from deep and took his man off the dribble all the way to rim?

Last time he had a chase down block?

Last time he faked the DHO and drove to the rim for a dunk?

Last time he brought out the euro-step?

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[phifans]

The point is to move your ass on offense and the problem of Joel on offense is every time he gets the ball the whole offense is stagnant. This just doesn't work anymore in modern basketball.

[76ciology]

Both Biid and Ben are not THAT good of players to build a team around. But between Ben and Biid, Ben needs more help because he has more flaws to his game.

If you neglect Ben, like how we did in the last two seasons, then you’ll end up playing 4v5 on those crucial playoff matches.

While I pray that you can have acceptance that Ben will never shoot. Just think about it.. let’s say we have JJ and Jimmy. Biid is playing well.. Jimmy is the second option. JJ is the third leading scorer. What’s left with Ben? A 6’10 player who’s role is to bring down the ball and go to the corner to shoot corner 3s at below league average?

Right now, the reason why we’re looking like 4v5 is because of Biid. Not because of the roster, but it’s either because of his health or his ego.

The way I see it, in the offseason, we should trade some picks and Josh Rich for a guy to make Biid happy. Someone like CJ McCollum. But who knows.. maybe Burks, Milton or Shayok can play that role.

This doesnt make sense though. If you have one player that doesnt fit (and is not your best player either) and the team almost beat the champions the logical thing to do is to move said player. Not change the whole team to make this player fit. I am not even saying to necesserily trade Simmons but that your logic is flawed. You dont move a better player out of position to help a more flawed player. The team is not playing 4v5 either, i am not sure why you say that. What you see now is just a bad on court fit that has damaged the team confidence and chemistry, and you have players not wanting to play in this system, and it's not just Embiid.

The move is not to throw shade on Embiid but is respecting his talent. Recognizing that he is talented enough to not rely on other player’s to be good at offense. And at the same time recognizing that helping Ben be a better player would make the team a lot better.

Just imagine Biid playing at the level he played last year then having Ben play at the level he’s playing right now, and with our supporting cast, that should instantly be a contender.

But Biid is not playing at the level he is playing last year. It’s not because of the roster. It’s because of him personally, due to health or ego.

Don’t tell me Biid needs Jimmy Butler or JJ Reddick to play better defense. When everyone here agrees Biid took a step back on defense

[phifans]

and now you are caping for colangelo?

Always been. He’s underpraised and overcriticized. But im not going into a lengthy debate for that because people here have irrational admiration for hinkie

He was being treated unfairly just because he was the successor of Hinkle.

I wonder if there is anyone here who still prefer Elton Brand over Colangelo ?

[76ciology]

The point is to move your ass on offense and the problem of Joel on offense is every time he gets the ball the whole offense is stagnant. This just doesn't work anymore in modern basketball.

And in my eyes, the team’s offense looks better when Biid is off the floor.

Like I said, the team made NINETEEN 3s on 41%, most of them are off Ben’s drives.

[Mik317]

and now you are caping for colangelo?

Always been. He’s underpraised and overcriticized. But im not going into a lengthy debate for that because people here have irrational admiration for hinkie

Like I said, you love being a contrarian.

Literally none of Collars moves have worked. Not one. You can give him Ben but considering everything thats not even looking too hot.

I don't even think Hinkie was that great either but naw son.

[Kobblehead]

All of our GMs have sucked.

Hinkie got us Embiid, but literally whiffed on every other pick (and he had a ton of significant picks).

Colengelo made the wrong call in 2016 and then swung and missed in 2017 on Fultz (heart was in the right place, though).

Brand tried to make it work with Butler, but circumstances got in the way and then gave out contention-crushing longterm money and killed the Process.

[Negrodamus]

I don't even know if you can give Brand the credit for Butler. That was like less than 2 months after Brand was hired and felt like an owner to owner deal than anything.

While Brand handled trade talks with Minnesota’s front office, namely Layden, Harris discussed the deal with Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor, who got involved to make sure Minnesota got a deal done.

I feel like Hinkie was given a long leash to try out. One of the worst things that happened to him was the botched pre-draft Embiid surgery on his foot. If that went according to plan, he wouldn't have made the protection pick of Okafor. I don't think Hinkie was infallible, but his plan to acquire assets while sucking was 100% the right move and I would have felt confident moving forward with him, especially knowing that he's not afraid to spend assets on a ball dominant force like James Harden.

[VDT]

Both Biid and Ben are not THAT good of players to build a team around. But between Ben and Biid, Ben needs more help because he has more flaws to his game.

If you neglect Ben, like how we did in the last two seasons, then you’ll end up playing 4v5 on those crucial playoff matches.

While I pray that you can have acceptance that Ben will never shoot. Just think about it.. let’s say we have JJ and Jimmy. Biid is playing well.. Jimmy is the second option. JJ is the third leading scorer. What’s left with Ben? A 6’10 player who’s role is to bring down the ball and go to the corner to shoot corner 3s at below league average?

Right now, the reason why we’re looking like 4v5 is because of Biid. Not because of the roster, but it’s either because of his health or his ego.

The way I see it, in the offseason, we should trade some picks and Josh Rich for a guy to make Biid happy. Someone like CJ McCollum. But who knows.. maybe Burks, Milton or Shayok can play that role.

This doesnt make sense though. If you have one player that doesnt fit (and is not your best player either) and the team almost beat the champions the logical thing to do is to move said player. Not change the whole team to make this player fit. I am not even saying to necesserily trade Simmons but that your logic is flawed. You dont move a better player out of position to help a more flawed player. The team is not playing 4v5 either, i am not sure why you say that. What you see now is just a bad on court fit that has damaged the team confidence and chemistry, and you have players not wanting to play in this system, and it's not just Embiid.

The move is not to throw shade on Embiid but is respecting his talent. Recognizing that he is talented enough to not rely on other player’s to be good at offense. And at the same time recognizing that helping Ben be a better player would make the team a lot better.

Just imagine Biid playing at the level he played last year then having Ben play at the level he’s playing right now, and with our supporting cast, that should instantly be a contender.

But Biid is not playing at the level he is playing last year. It’s not because of the roster. It’s because of him personally, due to health or ego.

Don’t tell me Biid needs Jimmy Butler or JJ Reddick to play better defense. When everyone here agrees Biid took a step back on defense

What level is Ben playing right now? He just had 11 points only shooting 5 times. If you want to build the team around someone with no shot he has to be at least like Giannis. Simmons mostly scores opportunistically.

Embiid's per 36 are not that different from his previous years and he is playing out of position. Again you cant just move players around and give them a role they are not comfortable with. Not only Embiid, but Horford and Harris also. Each player has certain skills and a certain style and role he wants to play. Neither of the three wants to be used as a spacer (which is a roleplayer job) nor have they they skills for that. They are not slaves and team is never going to have any chemistry or success like that. And no team has ever won with the way you are proposing, building around not their best player but a lesser one who is also quite flawed.

What is true is that Embiid looks more sluggish both offensively and defensively. We will see how he looks in the next months, but obviously him having a chronic, prehaps degenerative issue, is the worst case scenario.

[stormi]

You can complain about fit all you want but Embiid's physical stature says a million words. He looks like Boston Shaq. He can barely move out there anymore and his rim protection has fallen off a cliff. He's not mature enough yet (or maybe he's dealing with things internally, who knows he's a human). I bet he's upset about this team's composition and the sacrifices that have to be made especially now due to the construction of this roster, but he has to deal with it now. Be a leader, be uplifting, drag your team through the good but especially through the bad. He's pouting and flailing for calls and frankly looking like playing basketball is the last thing on earth he wants to do.

That's why I respect someone like Lowry and how long it took him to win and how he stuck through it all after being laughed at for so many years for his playoff performances and shooting percentages. Look at Gasol who beat us last year and how many losses he endured before he finally won. Jojo shouldn't think it's going to be easy, because we'll never win with him having that mentality.

He needs to focus on what he can control. You can't be the coach, you can't be the gm, but look at your body and your effort on the court... You can control that.

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Look at how fluid and nimble he used to be and how slender his face was, now he's hunched over 24/7 writhing up and down the court while Giannis bullies him like a Greek stallion who'd been training his whole life for this moment.

[agiaco]

You can complain about fit all you want but Embiid's physical stature says a million words. He looks like Boston Shaq. He can barely move out there anymore and his rim protection has fallen off a cliff. He's not mature enough yet (or maybe he's dealing with things internally, who knows he's a human). I bet he's upset about this team's composition and the sacrifices that have to be made especially now due to the construction of this roster, but he has to deal with it now. Be a leader, be uplifting, drag your team through the good but especially through the bad. He's pouting and flailing for calls and frankly looking like playing basketball is the last thing on earth he wants to do.

That's why I respect someone like Lowry and how long it took him to win and how he stuck through it all after being laughed at for so many years for his playoff performances and shooting percentages. Look at Gasol who beat us last year and how many losses he endured before he finally won. Jojo shouldn't think it's going to be easy, because we'll never win with him having that mentality.

He needs to focus on what he can control. You can't be the coach, you can't be the gm, but look at your body and your effort on the court... You can control that.

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Look at how fluid and nimble he used to be and how slender his face was, now he's hunched over 24/7 skipping up and down the court while Giannis bullies him like a greek stallion who'd been training his whole life for this moment.

That's the game I always think back on when Embiid was unstoppable. Man, you're right about his face. He just looks so slow and plodding lately. Like he's trying to get the easy way out scoring now. I have to imagine his injured finger is affecting him, but he definitely looks/is out of shape and not moving fluidly.

[Ferry Avenue]

That's the game I always think back on when Embiid was unstoppable. Man, you're right about his face. He just looks so slow and plodding lately. Like he's trying to get the easy way out scoring now. I have to imagine his injured finger is affecting him, but he definitely looks/is out of shape and not moving fluidly.

His injured finger is nothing. He's been playing this way since he came back from his hiatus at the end of the regular season last year. Nothing has changed since then.