Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins

[Throwback24]

I'm dying to know what happened here. How did they go from signing him 6 months ago to trading him for Andrew Wiggins and a pick?

Curry and Klay and Dray don't care for his style of play.

[gorz]

I think this is one of the most interesting trades in years.

Russell is the better player but I also think he’s grossly overrated and has too many negatives to be a high level impact player. But Wiggins arguably had the worst contract in the entire league.

I’m not completely sure if Minnesota overpaid or underpaid for this swap but I’m leaning towards overpaying. I guess it will depend on how they fill out the roster this summer and where that pick ends up landing in 2021 but I rarely think it’s a good idea for bad teams to trade future 1st round picks.

I’m not betting of the Warriors salvaging Wiggins career though, some players just don’t want it badly enough and are too stubborn or lazy to change their fate.

What are his many negatives? I can only think of defense.

He’s a high volume yet inefficient scorer. And that’s been every season. He’s not that great playing without the ball which made him a highly questionable fit on GS next season (and was a huge reason they traded him). Golden State was no better when Russell on the floor this season then without him, it was pretty much neutral, which is pretty damning evidence against his overall impact considering who was playing in his absence. And he’s not just a bad defender, he’s one of the worst defensive players in the entire league.

I’m quite certain that an NBA team can’t contend with Russell as one of their best players. You need your best players to be either highly efficient scorers or 2 way players and he’s neither.

Dlo is more of a playmaker who can score than a pure scorer I dont think a team needs to build around him as a 1 or even a 2nd option to contend if they have the right pieces for it. You can extract those impact numbers with other star players around the league playing with other than their usual regular roster and make the same conclusion. Point being it's hard to win when you're playing with lesser talent and new acquisitions that havent built their on court chemistry together. Curry most certainly could have returned from injury and played this season but he knows it will change fans perception of him if he couldnt carry his team to many wins with his current ensemble.

Those concerns are understandable but I feel like dlo would have been such a versatile asset for them giving them another handler and shooter in their spread offense when curry or klay goes to bench or rolling with a 3 guard lineup. Its a shame we never got to see what they could have looked like all together. Dlo was dealt a bad hand of cards from the jump when he arrived at Oracle w/ klay out curry out looney out.

[Prokorov]

You can tell the people in this thread who have watches Russell play and those who havent. the tired old narratives are the same. most laughably that he is a bad defender.

Russells game has grown a ton each year. He is a top 3 passer. his vision is second to none. he lacks the ability to pass with his right hand super well but overall he sees the floor like few do. on both ends. What he lacks in athletecism he makes up with skill and vision. he is certainly not a bad defender like he once was. he makes everyone better. he ha s aknock for big shots... people call him a chucker but really he is just so savy he can get to his spot whenever he wants and sometimes that leads to bad shot selection or too much volume. dude is a legit top 25 player. he is going to elevate the wolves. im excited for their fans. he is my second favorite net all time, despite just playng a few seasons

[The_Hater]

What are his many negatives? I can only think of defense.

He’s a high volume yet inefficient scorer. And that’s been every season. He’s not that great playing without the ball which made him a highly questionable fit on GS next season (and was a huge reason they traded him). Golden State was no better when Russell on the floor this season then without him, it was pretty much neutral, which is pretty damning evidence against his overall impact considering who was playing in his absence. And he’s not just a bad defender, he’s one of the worst defensive players in the entire league.

I’m quite certain that an NBA team can’t contend with Russell as one of their best players. You need your best players to be either highly efficient scorers or 2 way players and he’s neither.

Dlo is more of a playmaker who can score than a pure scorer I dont think a team needs to build around him as a 1 or even a 2nd option to contend if they have the right pieces for it. You can extract those impact numbers with other star players around the league playing with other than their usual regular roster and make the same conclusion. Point being it's hard to win when you're playing with lesser talent and new acquisitions that havent built their on court chemistry together. Curry most certainly could have returned from injury and played this season but he knows it will change fans perception of him if he couldnt carry his team to many wins with his current ensemble.

Those concerns are understandable but I feel like dlo would have been such a versatile asset for them giving them another handler and shooter in their spread offense when curry or klay goes to bench or rolling with a 3 guard lineup. Its a shame we never got to see what they could have looked like all together. Dlo was dealt a bad hand of cards from the jump when he arrived at Oracle w/ klay out curry out looney out.

I think DLo is a great passer, that’s his best skill, but he still shoots the ball a ton for an inefficient scorer. It’s probably necessary this current season but that doesn’t explain the rest of his career.

I just think that he’s more style than substance which isn’t my thing but resonates with many.

He shoots those high arching shots, he takes and makes some difficult shots with defenders draped all over him, he makes the highlight reel pass, but he also struggles to create easy shots for himself and is a terrible finisher at the rim. That’s the main reason why his efficiency isn’t very good.

[whatisacenter]

You can tell the people in this thread who have watches Russell play and those who havent. the tired old narratives are the same. most laughably that he is a bad defender.

Russells game has grown a ton each year. He is a top 3 passer. his vision is second to none. he lacks the ability to pass with his right hand super well but overall he sees the floor like few do. on both ends. What he lacks in athletecism he makes up with skill and vision. he is certainly not a bad defender like he once was. he makes everyone better. he ha s aknock for big shots... people call him a chucker but really he is just so savy he can get to his spot whenever he wants and sometimes that leads to bad shot selection or too much volume. dude is a legit top 25 player. he is going to elevate the wolves. im excited for their fans. he is my second favorite net all time, despite just playng a few seasons

It may have be hard to evaluate him on this years GS roster but he was the WORST defender I have ever seen play. Couldn't stay in front of anybody and gave up as soon as his man got by him.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I think people are skewing their perceptions by only looking at things one way with Wiggins and Russell. Wiggins' net +/- has been a plus every year of his career except for his rookie season, often significantly so. Russell has been a - for every year of his career except last season on the Nets, when he was +0.1. Just because Wiggins doesn't get blocks or steals and takes the tougher midrange shots that teams still do need somebody to take doesn't necessarily make him less impactful. And given that every publicly available defensive stat seems to rely heavily on blocks and steals, it's not necessarily a great comparison defensively; not to say that Wiggins is a good defender, but Russell isn't better, that's for sure.

What? Where are you seeing this?

https://www.cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/3211/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/3949/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

[Optms]

The fact that there are still people who believe Wiggins has some 'potential' left is funny. He's going to play a broken mans Harrison Barnes role once the stars get back. The Warriors offense at full strength isn't designed to cater to bad players so they can inflate their stats like the Wolves do.

Trash trade for the Dubs though. I would have rather gone after John Wall and his damaged goods self. A damaged Wall would still probably be better than Trash Wiggins.

[Quentin]

I think people are skewing their perceptions by only looking at things one way with Wiggins and Russell. Wiggins' net +/- has been a plus every year of his career except for his rookie season, often significantly so. Russell has been a - for every year of his career except last season on the Nets, when he was +0.1. Just because Wiggins doesn't get blocks or steals and takes the tougher midrange shots that teams still do need somebody to take doesn't necessarily make him less impactful. And given that every publicly available defensive stat seems to rely heavily on blocks and steals, it's not necessarily a great comparison defensively; not to say that Wiggins is a good defender, but Russell isn't better, that's for sure.

What? Where are you seeing this?

https://www.cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/3211/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/3949/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

Oh, that's a different stat than he said. +/- doesn't show that way on nba.com.

I wonder how much of that has to do with his teammates. KAT is bigger on those areas as a number 1 while Russell had no one.

[jason bourne]

I would say Minny for now (watch streamable below), but Warriors owner Joe Lacob has light years.



DLo reception at airport
https://streamable.com/8rdtl

[MindState]

People really hate Wiggins for some reason. Hes the Warriors 4th best player. Name one other team whos 4th best player is as good as Wiggins.

Ill wait.

[flavio_93]

People really hate Wiggins for some reason. Hes the Warriors 4th best player. Name one other team whos 4th best player is as good as Wiggins.

Ill wait.

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[life_saver]

[b]I think people are skewing their perceptions by only looking at things one way with Wiggins and Russell. Wiggins' net +/- has been a plus every year of his career except for his rookie season, often significantly so[/b]. Russell has been a - for every year of his career except last season on the Nets, when he was +0.1. Just because Wiggins doesn't get blocks or steals and takes the tougher midrange shots that teams still do need somebody to take doesn't necessarily make him less impactful. And given that every publicly available defensive stat seems to rely heavily on blocks and steals, it's not necessarily a great comparison defensively; not to say that Wiggins is a good defender, but Russell isn't better, that's for sure.

what? what are you referring to here?

[iamworthy]

People really hate Wiggins for some reason. Hes the Warriors 4th best player. Name one other team whos 4th best player is as good as Wiggins.

Ill wait.

Well that’s hard to do considering the players that would be named are actually the first or second best players on their respective teams . You're trying to prove your point in a very strange way.

[MindState]

People really hate Wiggins for some reason. Hes the Warriors 4th best player. Name one other team whos 4th best player is as good as Wiggins.

Ill wait.

76ers


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Not so sure. Al Horford is getting paid 106 million over 4 years and is only averaging 12 points and 6 rebounds a game.

[thinktank]

People really hate Wiggins for some reason. Hes the Warriors 4th best player. Name one other team whos 4th best player is as good as Wiggins.

Ill wait.

Well that’s hard to do considering the players that would be named are actually the first or second best players on their respective teams . You're trying to prove your point in a very strange way.

What you’re saying makes zero sense.

Someone said 6ers. Perhaps.

Name another team whose 4th best player is better than Wiggins.

Not saying there aren’t any, but how many are there?

[MindState]

People really hate Wiggins for some reason. Hes the Warriors 4th best player. Name one other team whos 4th best player is as good as Wiggins.

Ill wait.

Well that’s hard to do considering the players that would be named are actually the first or second best players on their respective teams . You're trying to prove your point in a very strange way.

I get it, Wiggins sucks, but I dont see how swapping him for D'Lo makes the warriors worse.

He will be a much better version of Harrison Barnes at worst. Which is a major addition to the warriors current lineup.

[Alatan]

Warriors traded a mediocre player on a bad contract for a bad player on a bad contract.

Wiggins is not a player that excels in a smaller role. We saw that when Butler was on the Wolves. Someone said that Warriors rely on ball movement, well tough luck since Wiggins comes with some blinders attached.

And for those saying Warriors didnt like Dlo, well i cant wait to see Greens reaction when Wiggins misses a rotation because he was too busy sleeping on defense. Such a dumb trade...

[Alatan]

People really hate Wiggins for some reason. Hes the Warriors 4th best player. Name one other team whos 4th best player is as good as Wiggins.

Ill wait.

Well that’s hard to do considering the players that would be named are actually the first or second best players on their respective teams . You're trying to prove your point in a very strange way.

I get it, Wiggins sucks, but I dont see how swapping him for D'Lo makes the warriors worse.

He will be a much better version of Harrison Barnes at worst. Which is a major addition to the warriors current lineup.

So why wasnt he a better version of Barnes when he was playing with Butler?

[Killboard]

People really hate Wiggins for some reason. Hes the Warriors 4th best player. Name one other team whos 4th best player is as good as Wiggins.

Ill wait.

It's not just who the best 4th player is (Im sure there are teams that can beat that) but how much money you are commiting to him because that will take money from helping from every other rotation player.

[MindState]

Well that’s hard to do considering the players that would be named are actually the first or second best players on their respective teams . You're trying to prove your point in a very strange way.

I get it, Wiggins sucks, but I dont see how swapping him for D'Lo makes the warriors worse.

He will be a much better version of Harrison Barnes at worst. Which is a major addition to the warriors current lineup.

So why wasnt he a better version of Barnes when he was playing with Butler?

Because playing with Butler is not the same as playing with Curry, Draymond, Klay, and coached by Kerr?

I mean comeon now, that much is obvious.