Joel Embiid - The Prophecy is Realized

ankle420breaker · Post #1941 » by **ankle420breaker** » Fri Feb 7, 2020 8:00 pm

I'm assuming he's playing tonight (back-to-back). It'll be interesting to see how he responds to yet another horrific performance and the criticism that was dished out from his peers.

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Mik317 · Post #1942 » by **Mik317** » Fri Feb 7, 2020 8:11 pm

part of me wishes we do trade Embiid so I can see the same people asking for it either suddenly switch their tune or move on to the next target while ignoring the real issues. Same peeps who spent a lot of time killing Fultz have been going "man we shouldn't have traded him yo" right now. Dude was the second pick in last nights draft. Has been an all starter all 3 years. And yet people are in a rush to move him because why?

Again he has to step it up and be better but I will never understand parts of this fanbase's quick urge to just trade everything the moment **** goes bad. Its far easier to figure out the current issues and fix them than hoping a hail mary trade of your best player is the answer.... some of yall would have been on board with trading Harden, because he had a bad finals.....

Again that fluke winning streak years ago was the worst thing to happen to us. Got people thinking we are further ahead than we really are and suddenly rushing everything.

mksp · Post #1943 » by **mksp** » Fri Feb 7, 2020 9:38 pm

What happened to Joel's footwork?

It feels like he has no moves in the post anymore. Even just adding a simple drop step would make his life so much easier instead of forcing up awkward baby hooks.

Feels like there has been a real failure to coach him in the post.

XtremeDunkz · Post #1944 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Fri Feb 7, 2020 9:49 pm

Mik317 wrote:part of me wishes we do trade Embiid so I can see the same people asking for it either suddenly switch their tune or move on to the next target while ignoring the real issues. Same peeps who spent a lot of time killing Fultz have been going "man we shouldn't have traded him yo" right now. Dude was the second pick in last nights draft. Has been an all starter all 3 years. And yet people are in a rush to move him because why?

Again he has to step it up and be better but I will never understand parts of this fanbase's quick urge to just trade everything the moment **** goes bad. Its far easier to figure out the current issues and fix them than hoping a hail mary trade of your best player is the answer.... some of yall would have been on board with trading Harden, because he had a bad finals.....

Again that fluke winning streak years ago was the worst thing to happen to us. Got people thinking we are further ahead than we really are and suddenly rushing everything.

People have become so obsessed with the effect that they are completely turning a blind eye to the cause.

Simmons put up a few good games in a row against cupcakes (which hes done before) and all of a sudden him not shooting is fine, and he has to have space to work in the paint. When in reality, as we saw last night Simmons still shrinks against real competition. 6 total shots in 40 minutes??? Get out of here.

for Embiid to be successful he needs space in the paint. When he is sharing the floor with Ben Simmons and Al Horford he will never have space. Why do you think teams play so much zone and sag off for double teams? They don't respect our shooting. The offense is an embarrassment because of the front office and Ben Simmons. I don't blame Joel one bit for being visibly frustrated. His job has been made 100x harder because of this clueless organization. Period.

Kobblehead · Post #1945 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Feb 7, 2020 9:49 pm

mksp wrote:What happened to Joel's footwork?

It feels like he has no moves in the post anymore. Even just adding a simple drop step would make his life so much easier instead of forcing up awkward baby hooks.

Feels like there has been a real failure to coach him in the post.

Weird how the front office identified Roy Hibbert of all people to coach up bigs.

Hipster Doofus · Post #1946 » by **Hipster Doofus** » Fri Feb 7, 2020 10:09 pm

I don't think it's a question anymore that he needs to tone up and improve his conditioning in the offseason. Junk food ain't gonna cut it. As the saying goes "you are what you eat".

There's no reason why he shouldn't be a lean, quick mofo even for his size. He seems to be about 30 lbs overweight and sooner or later it'll affect his knees, and we all know the story about that.

VDT · Post #1947 » by **VDT** » Fri Feb 7, 2020 10:15 pm

I dont think he is any heavier than two seasons ago or the beginning of last season. He doesn look fat either. He moves slower but this may be because of lack of motivation, because he intentionally doesnt go 100%, because he lacks the stamina or because of his knee.

76ciology · Post #1948 » by **76ciology** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 6:33 am

Read on Twitter

Post #1949 » by **Stanford** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 12:45 pm

Read on Twitter

Jo liked this tweet lol

ankle420breaker · Post #1950 » by **ankle420breaker** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 1:10 pm

I thought he looked much better yesterday. Active defensively and really hit the glass. He took his man off the dribble after pump faking from the top of the key (encouraging considering it's the first time he's done that in eons).

Hopefully he sustains this energy.

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Ferry Avenue · Post #1951 » by **Ferry Avenue** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 3:16 pm

76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

I was just wondering about that yesterday in fact, as an index of overall intensity and explosiveness on the court.

Kobblehead · Post #1952 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 3:23 pm

Honestly, Embiid deserves to get booed at home so he gets the message. He needs to stop moping around and displaying that garbage body language. That stuff is unbecoming. You want to act like Kyrie, you're going to get treated like Kyrie.

Ferry Avenue · Post #1953 » by **Ferry Avenue** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 3:25 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Honestly, Embiid deserves to get booed at home so he gets the message. He needs to stop moping around and displaying that garbage body language. That stuff is unbecoming. You want to act like Kyrie, you're going to get treated like Kyrie.

It's the opposite of leadership.

Kobblehead · Post #1954 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 3:27 pm

We get why he's angry. He is 100% justified in being angry. The way he's channeling it is wrong, though. Channel that anger into playing with force.

youngcrev · Post #1955 » by **youngcrev** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 3:44 pm

76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

Gobert was at 7.4 and 7 his first 2 years in the league. He's at 4.7 percent this year. While Embiid has certainly been far less active in years past defensively, I don't think these context-less stats are that meaningful.
Particularly if you are trying to use it to compare Jah to Embiid. Increases in minutes and becoming a deterrent from attacking the rim are factors

Kobblehead · Post #1956 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 3:50 pm

I don't think block percentage is a true testament to defensive impact. Any big person with long arms can tally up block percentage. The true test of a bigman's defense is steal percentage. Which is why my guy Andre Drummond is the DPoTY and best defensive talent at the C position in the world right now.

76ciology · Post #1957 » by **76ciology** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 4:28 pm

youngcrev wrote:
76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

Gobert was at 7.4 and 7 his first 2 years in the league. He's at 4.7 percent this year. While Embiid has certainly been far less active in years past defensively, I don't think these context-less stats are that meaningful.
Particularly if you are trying to use it to compare Jah to Embiid. Increases in minutes and becoming a deterrent from attacking the rim are factors

How about this..

Dfg% on shots below 6ft.

2016-2017 -17%
2017-2018 -12%
2018-2019 -9%
2019-2020 -2%

youngcrev · Post #1958 » by **youngcrev** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 4:58 pm

76ciology wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

Gobert was at 7.4 and 7 his first 2 years in the league. He's at 4.7 percent this year. While Embiid has certainly been far less active in years past defensively, I don't think these context-less stats are that meaningful.
Particularly if you are trying to use it to compare Jah to Embiid. Increases in minutes and becoming a deterrent from attacking the rim are factors

How about this..

Dfg% on shots below 6ft.

2016-2017 -17%
2017-2018 -12%
2018-2019 -9%
2019-2020 -2%

Yes, that's a much better indicator of his decline in efficacy as a rim protector.

Mik317 · Post #1959 » by **Mik317** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 4:59 pm

Writings on the wall. They will trade Embiid this offseason and build around Ben. ESPN spent all last night pushing that narrative and not talking about Furk at all. Ignoring the reality that the team is better without two big men on the floor and just going well it must be Embiid. They hated the process and Embiid is the last remnants of it and with him gone they can finally say it was a failure. This FO truly listens to that kind of outside noise so I fully expect Embiid to be elsewhere next season.

Kobblehead · Post #1960 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 5:05 pm

Mik317 wrote:Writings on the wall. They will trade Embiid this offseason and build around Ben. ESPN spent all last night pushing that narrative and not talking about Furk at all. Ignoring the reality that the team is better without two big men on the floor and just going well it must be Embiid. They hated the process and Embiid is the last remnants of it and with him gone they can finally say it was a failure. This FO truly listens to that kind of outside noise so I fully expect Embiid to be elsewhere next season.

Colangelo hated Embiid and he's still shadow running this organization (literally his entire staff is still in place, including Elton). He's definitely gone. It sucks that we will have wasted his phenom window by not surrounding him with ball handlers from 2015-until now, but he's also likely to Amare or Blake himself out of the league within the next 5 years. So it would be a bitter sweet departure.