Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1)

[Mr B]

I agree, though to mitigate point #3, I would have started Danny Green with THJ and DFS at the 4

I'd like to see this too. DFS or Justin Jackson at the 4.

Houston beat the Lakers earlier with a 6'5 center. And the Lakers were parading Lebron and AD. So with KP at the 5, I think we can at least try certain stretches with those 2 at the 4.

Justin Jackson doesn't even look like an NBA player deserving of minutes and u think he should start? Are you serious?

Not everyone has that same opinion of Justin Jackson. Is he a Luka level player? Absolutely not but he is good off the bench. He’s a good energy guy that is productive when he’s in the game.


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[ImMavsMan61]

I'd like to see this too. DFS or Justin Jackson at the 4.

Houston beat the Lakers earlier with a 6'5 center. And the Lakers were parading Lebron and AD. So with KP at the 5, I think we can at least try certain stretches with those 2 at the 4.

Justin Jackson doesn't even look like an NBA player deserving of minutes and u think he should start? Are you serious?

Not everyone has that same opinion of Justin Jackson. Is he a Luka level player? Absolutely not but he is good off the bench. He’s a good energy guy that is productive when he’s in the game.


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I would have agreed with you at the beginning of the season but the last month I think he has been bad. He is shooting under 40% for the season and barely above 30% from 3pt range. If he can't efficiently score off the bench than I don't know what good he is because he is not a good defender or rebounder. I think he was better early this season but not lately.

[DJ_3_Ball]

The more I've been thinking about it. The more it bothers me the Mavs didn't make a move on Andre Drummond.

The Pistons basically gave him away for a used piece of chewing gum.

I will say I agree with the idea you don't want to mess with team chemistry. Yet, 2 things. #1 - this magical team chemistry hasn't been so magical the past 30 games or so. #2 - that idea kinda went out of the window when Dwight Powell went down & we had to add another big. I don't have any evidence one way or the other about how good of a locker room guy WCS is, but he's helped out on the court. Drummond has a good reputation as a hard-worker, good teammate. He even tweeted at KP with a joke about KP posterizing him after that Mexico City game.

So, I don't believe team chemistry would of been an issue.

There's the GSW 2nd round pick, likely 31st overall, and people say this is not a deep draft. I tend to think that's garbage. Last year was considered a well below average draft and the Warriors found themselves a very nice player at 41st overall in Eric Paschall. No matter the draft quality, you just don't discard a draft pick like it has no value---especially a high 2nd rounder.

But, I'm not sure DET wouldn't of taken a future 2nd from the Mavs. I don't know that GSW pick had to be on the table. They took absolute garbage back from CLE.

I get that adding Drummond makes WCS pretty much redundant, but for the price, I just don't see how you can't get involved. There's always concern over another injury & even with WCS the Mavs are still very suspect down low.

I feel much better with Drummond on this squad going into a 1st round matchup with Utah, Denver, and especially HOU. I bet all that would of been required is the Courtney Lee expiring contract and the Mavs 2021 2nd round pick. That's next to nothing for a player like Drummond who could literally win you a playoff series (or two) this season.

I just don't get it. DET just gave him away. Why the hell weren't the Mavs interested?

[Mr B]

The more I've been thinking about it. The more it bothers me the Mavs didn't make a move on Andre Drummond.

The Pistons basically gave him away for a used piece of chewing gum.

I will say I agree with the idea you don't want to mess with team chemistry. Yet, 2 things. #1 - this magical team chemistry hasn't been so magical the past 30 games or so. #2 - that idea kinda went out of the window when Dwight Powell went down & we had to add another big. I don't have any evidence one way or the other about how good of a locker room guy WCS is, but he's helped out on the court. Drummond has a good reputation as a hard-worker, good teammate. He even tweeted at KP with a joke about KP posterizing him after that Mexico City game.

So, I don't believe team chemistry would of been an issue.

There's the GSW 2nd round pick, likely 31st overall, and people say this is not a deep draft. I tend to think that's garbage. Last year was considered a well below average draft and the Warriors found themselves a very nice player at 41st overall in Eric Paschall. No matter the draft quality, you just don't discard a draft pick like it has no value---especially a high 2nd rounder.

But, I'm not sure DET wouldn't of taken a future 2nd from the Mavs. I don't know that GSW pick had to be on the table. They took absolute garbage back from CLE.

I get that adding Drummond makes WCS pretty much redundant, but for the price, I just don't see how you can't get involved. There's always concern over another injury & even with WCS the Mavs are still very suspect down low.

I feel much better with Drummond on this squad going into a 1st round matchup with Utah, Denver, and especially HOU. I bet all that would of been required is the Courtney Lee expiring contract and the Mavs 2021 2nd round pick. That's next to nothing for a player like Drummond who could literally win you a playoff series (or two) this season.

I just don't get it. DET just gave him away. Why the hell weren't the Mavs interested?

I wouldn’t expect the Mavs to sign that kind of player anytime soon. Based on what Carlisle has said this season they do not want anyone that would clog the lane. It seems they could have easily traded for Drummond if they wanted to. The fact that they didn’t makes it clear they didn’t want him (at least to me it does).


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[DJ_3_Ball]

I wouldn’t expect the Mavs to sign that kind of player anytime soon. Based on what Carlisle has said this season they do not want anyone that would clog the lane. It seems they could have easily traded for Drummond if they wanted to. The fact that they didn’t makes it clear they didn’t want him (at least to me it does).


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You're right. They obviously didn't have any interest, and there's some points to be made about a big who can't shoot from distance & clogs the lane.

On the other hand, we literally lost the game vs DEN the 106-107 game because Nikola Jokic had a presidential motorcade escort him to the front of the rim for two VERY EASY layins with less than 2 minutes to go in that game, including the game winner where The Joker just backed DFS down like he was his 7 year old nephew & laid the ball in for the game winner.

I feel like the Mavs are too narrow-sighted in their thinking. It's like RC is becoming a D'Antoni disciple.

What you're suppose to be able to do as a coach is take the players you have, take the talent you have, and make the most of it. You can't tell me that RC can't find a role for the NBA's leading rebounder. You gotta figure out a way to make that work.

A reduced role? Ok fine.

We just can't use him at all. WTF?!... So we're going to totally clear out the lane for Luka's 2/9 stepback 3 bonanza & watch midgets like DFS, Brunson, Jackson, Curry & D. Wright get abused in the paint over & over again?

I don't see the sense in that at all. Whatever gains are made by PnR, spacing etc are wiped away when Gobert, Jokic, AD + the Lakers 2-headed monster of McGee/D12, and hell even Montrzel Harrell cooked our dinner last time the Mavs faced the Clippers.

I guess it makes sense, but I don't get it.

[Pinkyring]

The more I've been thinking about it. The more it bothers me the Mavs didn't make a move on Andre Drummond.

The Pistons basically gave him away for a used piece of chewing gum.

I will say I agree with the idea you don't want to mess with team chemistry. Yet, 2 things. #1 - this magical team chemistry hasn't been so magical the past 30 games or so. #2 - that idea kinda went out of the window when Dwight Powell went down & we had to add another big. I don't have any evidence one way or the other about how good of a locker room guy WCS is, but he's helped out on the court. Drummond has a good reputation as a hard-worker, good teammate. He even tweeted at KP with a joke about KP posterizing him after that Mexico City game.

So, I don't believe team chemistry would of been an issue.

There's the GSW 2nd round pick, likely 31st overall, and people say this is not a deep draft. I tend to think that's garbage. Last year was considered a well below average draft and the Warriors found themselves a very nice player at 41st overall in Eric Paschall. No matter the draft quality, you just don't discard a draft pick like it has no value---especially a high 2nd rounder.

But, I'm not sure DET wouldn't of taken a future 2nd from the Mavs. I don't know that GSW pick had to be on the table. They took absolute garbage back from CLE.

I get that adding Drummond makes WCS pretty much redundant, but for the price, I just don't see how you can't get involved. There's always concern over another injury & even with WCS the Mavs are still very suspect down low.

I feel much better with Drummond on this squad going into a 1st round matchup with Utah, Denver, and especially HOU. I bet all that would of been required is the Courtney Lee expiring contract and the Mavs 2021 2nd round pick. That's next to nothing for a player like Drummond who could literally win you a playoff series (or two) this season.

I just don't get it. DET just gave him away. Why the hell weren't the Mavs interested?

Mavs couldn't have been in on drummond they dont have the contracts to make it work it'd require moving thj and det wasn't going to take him with his extra year

[Pinkyring]

I'd like to see this too. DFS or Justin Jackson at the 4.

Houston beat the Lakers earlier with a 6'5 center. And the Lakers were parading Lebron and AD. So with KP at the 5, I think we can at least try certain stretches with those 2 at the 4.

Justin Jackson doesn't even look like an NBA player deserving of minutes and u think he should start? Are you serious?

Not everyone has that same opinion of Justin Jackson. Is he a Luka level player? Absolutely not but he is good off the bench. He’s a good energy guy that is productive when he’s in the game.


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If productive means grossly inefficient offensively and terrible defensively then yes he is very productive off the bench

[Mr B]

I wouldn’t expect the Mavs to sign that kind of player anytime soon. Based on what Carlisle has said this season they do not want anyone that would clog the lane. It seems they could have easily traded for Drummond if they wanted to. The fact that they didn’t makes it clear they didn’t want him (at least to me it does).


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You're right. They obviously didn't have any interest, and there's some points to be made about a big who can't shoot from distance & clogs the lane.

On the other hand, we literally lost the game vs DEN the 106-107 game because Nikola Jokic had a presidential motorcade escort him to the front of the rim for two VERY EASY layins with less than 2 minutes to go in that game, including the game winner where The Joker just backed DFS down like he was his 7 year old nephew & laid the ball in for the game winner.

I feel like the Mavs are too narrow-sighted in their thinking. It's like RC is becoming a D'Antoni disciple.

What you're suppose to be able to do as a coach is take the players you have, take the talent you have, and make the most of it. You can't tell me that RC can't find a role for the NBA's leading rebounder. You gotta figure out a way to make that work.

A reduced role? Ok fine.

We just can't use him at all. WTF?!... So we're going to totally clear out the lane for Luka's 2/9 stepback 3 bonanza & watch midgets like DFS, Brunson, Jackson, Curry & D. Wright get abused in the paint over & over again?

I don't see the sense in that at all. Whatever gains are made by PnR, spacing etc are wiped away when Gobert, Jokic, AD + the Lakers 2-headed monster of McGee/D12, and hell even Montrzel Harrell cooked our dinner last time the Mavs faced the Clippers.

I guess it makes sense, but I don't get it.

I completely agree. I think they are ok with a defensive minded center. They just don’t want a guy camped out in the paint on offense. That’s why guys like Maxi, Powell, and WCS fit what they’re looking for. They just need a better version of that type of player. Giannis is the absolute best example however I read a blurb about a week ago that said the Mavs would likely target Gobert if they determine Giannis isn’t an option for them.


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[DJ_3_Ball]

Mavs couldn't have been in on drummond they dont have the contracts to make it work it'd require moving thj and det wasn't going to take him with his extra year

You're right. I thought Drummond made $20 mil a year not $27 mil, thought Lee + Jackson would of gotten to 125%

I'd of given THJ + that GSW 2nd round pick.

Maybe you don't get anything in FA this summer, but you take a swing.

Swing & miss, you're not losing much with the loss of THJ. He's basically a spot up shooter for this team & those type of players can be found.


Edit: I don't know that I agree about the DET wouldn't of taken the extra year of THJ. I think this Drummond trade shows they're pretty realistic about who they are. I think they know $20 mil in salary cap space isn't going to fetch them a player better than THJ this offseason. They're not a FA destination. I think they would of focused on the draft pick.

[ejs78]

FYI

Marvin Williams has been bought out

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[arkuo]

FYI

Marvin Williams has been bought out

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Reports are saying he's headed to the Bucks.

[arkuo]

Donnie should keep tabs on the Sixers right now. Elton Brand's job is on the line and nothing is working. Embiid is unhealthy and not 100%. They traded for a bunch of guys that will act like band aids at this point. You got a 6'10 point guard who can't shoot but asked to stay behind in Miami to party after a loss. That team will implode soon and Donnie needs to wait until Brand decides to trade one of Simmons or Embiid.

[arkuo]

Just to be clear, I expect the Mavs to chase a wing this summer.

Cuban's relentless pursuit of Danny Green after being turned down twice says he wants DFS to come off the bench (or move to PF) while Green starts at SF.

Donnie must have some names for the free agent small forward market now.

Notable candidates this summer:

Otto Porter Jr - Out of our spending reach
Gordon Hayward - Payer option. Out of our spending reach
Danilo Galinari - Could be had if he accepts the MLE here
Eva Turner - Meh
Michael Kidd Gilchrist - Meh
Solomon Hill - Plays defense, Maybe out of our spending reach
Mo Harkless - Plays defense, Maybe out of our spending reach
Jerami Grant - Plays defense, worth a shot
Davis Bertans - Needs KP to convince him. Shoots the 3 well. Nothing else.
Jae Crowder - Plays defense. Not so good shooting %
Josh Jackson - Typical Donnie reclamation project
Stanley Johnson - Nobody wants him. May cost cheap
Derrick Jones Jr - I actually like his fit with Luka. Depends how much Pat Riley will offer.

[dirkules_41]

Looks like we might get MKG now.

[ImMavsMan61]

Just to be clear, I expect the Mavs to chase a wing this summer.

Cuban's relentless pursuit of Danny Green after being turned down twice says he wants DFS to come off the bench (or move to PF) while Green starts at SF.

Donnie must have some names for the free agent small forward market now.

Notable candidates this summer:

Otto Porter Jr - Out of our spending reach
Gordon Hayward - Payer option. Out of our spending reach
Danilo Galinari - Could be had if he accepts the MLE here
Eva Turner - Meh
Michael Kidd Gilchrist - Meh
Solomon Hill - Plays defense, Maybe out of our spending reach
Mo Harkless - Plays defense, Maybe out of our spending reach
Jerami Grant - Plays defense, worth a shot
Davis Bertans - Needs KP to convince him. Shoots the 3 well. Nothing else.
Jae Crowder - Plays defense. Not so good shooting %
Josh Jackson - Typical Donnie reclamation project
Stanley Johnson - Nobody wants him. May cost cheap
Derrick Jones Jr - I actually like his fit with Luka. Depends how much Pat Riley will offer.

I love Jeremy Grant off this list. Plays defense and shot around 40% from 3 the last two years.

I also think Bertands would really make teams pay for trying to stop Luka. Absolute sniper at career 44% from 3.

Not excited about Kidd Gilcrest who we may very well sign this coming week. Looks like he will be bought out. Mavs rumored to be ready to sign him.

[Teffer10]

Looks like we might get MKG now.

Don't know much about the guy but must be a beast on defense because he is a career 28% 3pt shooter.
How in the world would that guy fit Rick's offense?

[Teffer10]

I'm not sure the Mavs would have traded for Drummond even if Det would have included a pick.
The Mavs are not tying up 80mil of cap space in the frontcourt when our offense is predominantly guard oriented.

[The Sparest]

Just to be clear, I expect the Mavs to chase a wing this summer.

Mo Harkless - Plays defense, Maybe out of our spending reach
Jerami Grant - Plays defense, worth a shot
Jae Crowder - Plays defense. Not so good shooting %
Josh Jackson - Typical Donnie reclamation project

Grant and Harkless would be great fits IMO. Crowder would be a solid addition too if the other 2 are out of our price range.

While I would want one of those three first, I think there is a possibility that Jackson could be had on a min type deal if the Mavs could sell him on us being a good place to build back his value as a reclamation project.

[Michaellam1987]

Some more names to mention as target this summer

Joe Harris - BKN may not be able to keep him, they have committed a lot of $$ already, not sure of his defense ability, very good shooter, can play SG/SF position, only age 28, give constant give you 13pts

Juancho Hernangomez- talented player, still very young, decent size, can play SF/PF position, can shoot as well,

[Michaellam1987]

Donnie should keep tabs on the Sixers right now. Elton Brand's job is on the line and nothing is working. Embiid is unhealthy and not 100%. They traded for a bunch of guys that will act like band aids at this point. You got a 6'10 point guard who can't shoot but asked to stay behind in Miami to party after a loss. That team will implode soon and Donnie needs to wait until Brand decides to trade one of Simmons or Embiid.

I don't think we have any assets that can attract 76ers, unless we are willing to trade Doncic and/or Porzingis