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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29

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Post#141 » by TheLogician » Fri Feb 7, 2020 4:58 am

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I agree. I expect him to go #1 anyway.


Only 3 guys i really have interest in and none of them are named Mello.

Haliburton- Good size for a PG, very efficient scorer (50%FG, 41%3PT), very very solid defender, solid play-making ability and passer. Only averages 15 points a game, but does so with great efficiency, the rest of the time he is busy getting his teammates shots (6.6 assists a game). Would love for him to be our PG of the future, but he is likely a top-5 pick.

Toppin- A somewhat undersized PF, Can get you 20 points a night, has range, can hit the 3, but is also a defensive player. Once again, projected to go before our pick (Unless we start losing more games).

Reed- An older PF (HELLO JAMES JONES!), the kid is all about that defense defense defense! Has a limited offensive game, but does hit around one 3 a game at right around 30%. Rebounding machine, but more-so known for his defense. A Siakam-ish kind of player that should be available wherever we end up drafting at.


I like those guys too. Halliburton gets a lot of steals too. Some worry about his athleticism, but he seems to do everything. Toppin looks like a cross between Amare and Marion...maybe a poor mans...or middle class man's Marion/Amare hybrid, though we did draft both of those guys in about the range we like sit in the draft 9 or 10. Reed I think will go later..but I like him.


Agree on all three. How do you feel about Isaac Okoro and Saddiq Bey? I'm probably highest on them but Oubre has to be traded first.
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Post#142 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 6:32 am

TheLogician wrote:
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Only 3 guys i really have interest in and none of them are named Mello.

Haliburton- Good size for a PG, very efficient scorer (50%FG, 41%3PT), very very solid defender, solid play-making ability and passer. Only averages 15 points a game, but does so with great efficiency, the rest of the time he is busy getting his teammates shots (6.6 assists a game). Would love for him to be our PG of the future, but he is likely a top-5 pick.

Toppin- A somewhat undersized PF, Can get you 20 points a night, has range, can hit the 3, but is also a defensive player. Once again, projected to go before our pick (Unless we start losing more games).

Reed- An older PF (HELLO JAMES JONES!), the kid is all about that defense defense defense! Has a limited offensive game, but does hit around one 3 a game at right around 30%. Rebounding machine, but more-so known for his defense. A Siakam-ish kind of player that should be available wherever we end up drafting at.


I like those guys too. Halliburton gets a lot of steals too. Some worry about his athleticism, but he seems to do everything. Toppin looks like a cross between Amare and Marion...maybe a poor mans...or middle class man's Marion/Amare hybrid, though we did draft both of those guys in about the range we like sit in the draft 9 or 10. Reed I think will go later..but I like him.


Agree on all three. How do you feel about Isaac Okoro and Saddiq Bey? I'm probably highest on them but Oubre has to be traded first.


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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#143 » by TheLogician » Fri Feb 7, 2020 8:46 am

Mike Schmitz interviews/breakdowns with prospects. Good stuff.

Nico Mannion


LaMelo Ball


Anthony Edwards


Onyeka Okongwu


Tyrese Maxey


RJ Hampton


Killian Hayes


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Post#144 » by TheLogician » Sat Feb 8, 2020 12:45 am

I'm liking Jalen Smith for our PF target. Looks like he has improved quite a bit from his freshman season. Excellent shooter and rim defender. Exactly why I wanted two FRPs to address PG and PF.

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Post#145 » by ATTL » Sat Feb 8, 2020 1:54 am

There are a few intriguing power forward prospects that should be available for us.
Reed, toppin, Smith, okongwu.
Okongwu probably struggles at the 4 until he learns to shoot but the other guys seem capable from 3 already.
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Post#146 » by TheLogician » Sat Feb 8, 2020 7:13 am

ATTL wrote:There are a few intriguing power forward prospects that should be available for us.
Reed, toppin, Smith, okongwu.
Okongwu probably struggles at the 4 until he learns to shoot but the other guys seem capable from 3 already.


Yep, I like all of them. I'll add Mamadi Diakite to the list. Also Zeke Nnaji but he's in the same boat as Okongwu and not the same level of defender.
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Post#147 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sat Feb 8, 2020 6:20 pm

Take the best player but I kind of feel like PG would be the ideal pick. Have them as a bench guy next season and then hopefully they challenge Rubio year 2 which will be the final year of his deal.

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Post#148 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 9, 2020 7:36 am

Nico Mannion with a very bad game tonight.
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Post#149 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 9, 2020 6:12 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Take the best player but I kind of feel like PG would be the ideal pick. Have them as a bench guy next season and then hopefully they challenge Rubio year 2 which will be the final year of his deal.

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I just wish there were more I liked, though I still like Halliburton, but haven't watched him much. Need to make sure he has enough athleticism for the NBA.

I talked to a draft analyst who said he thought Cole Anthony would be a good fit here, though I can't get behind a 48% TS% and 3.5 apg/3.5 topg. I would like a PG who can pass and shoot. Seems important.

Killian Hayes could be the best fit. 60% TS%, almost a 2/1 ast/to ratio, solid defense, good with steals. A lot of turnovers though.

His ESPN writeup:

Pre-Draft Analysis
Strengths
- Great size for a lead guard. Has the tools to defend either guard spot when fully motivated. Can change speeds and directions with the ball. Fluid athlete who can use his size to overpower smaller guards.
- Comfortable pick-and-roll player with three-level scoring potential. Capable of making shots off the dribble and scoring inside the arc with floaters. Nifty ball handler. Can create space with step-backs. Plays with a lot of confidence for his age.
- Improved floor game. Can whip the ball around with his left hand. Comfortable hitting the roller or the weakside corner when going to his left.

Improvement areas
- Average athletically both in terms of burst and vertical explosion. Tends to struggle with aggressive ball pressure. Doesn't quite have the shiftiness to beat rangy defenders off the dribble. Will have to become a more consistent shooter to combat that.
- Extremely left hand dominant as a driver, passer and finisher. Lack of willingness to use his right-hand limits him all over the floor -- misses live-dribble passes going right, doesn't get all the way to the rim and settles for lefty floaters when put on his right hand.
- Defensive intensity comes and goes. While improved, approach to the game was a question mark in the past. Needs the ball in his hands to have an impact.

--Mike Schmitz


Of course he's from France.

One guy that I know told me he watched and was really impressed with his Deni Advija, who sounds interesting. ESPN has him ranked #5 overall. Size of a PF with skills more like a PG....at least according to Givony. Tankathon has his TS% near 60%, and his 3pt% at 36.6%, though Givony mentions his 3pt% being lower. I think tankathon updates the #s more often.

ESPN's writeup on him:

Pre-Draft Analysis
Strengths
- Big enough to play PF at 6-foot-9 with a good frame, but has the ballhandling, creativity and playmaking skill of a PG. At his best operating out of pick-and-roll, where he displays excellent timing and vision from his unique vantage point, allowing him to make every read and pass in the book. Aggressive offensive player who is in attack mode every time he steps onto the floor. Loves shooting pull-up 3-pointers in transition. Never hesitates to fire away when open. Brings toughness, competitiveness and swagger.
- Learning how to play without the ball this season in a more compact role at the pro level. Elite cutter thanks to his strong feel for the game. Capable of playmaking out of secondary ballhandling situations. Makes the right play more often than not.
- Has made significant strides on the defensive end, one of the main reasons he's been able to get real minutes in the EuroLeague. Covers ground well and plays with real intensity getting over screens, battling on the glass and rotating to protect the rim. Gets in passing lanes, blocks quite a few shots and rebounds very well.

Improvement areas
- Inconsistent shooter who has converted just 32% of his 3-pointers and 58% of his free throws over a huge sample size. Mechanics have been tweaked repeatedly to the point that you rarely see him shooting the same way, sometimes kicking his legs out excessively or looking very stiff with his release.
- Being asked to do very little in terms of creating his own shot in isolation, pushing in the open court or playing pick-and-roll. Some NBA teams might struggle to get past his limited role.
- Struggles to create offense from a standstill. Right-hand-dominant and much more limited when pushed to dribble or finish with his off hand. Reliant on changes of speed and using his body to create space, which might prove more difficult against NBA defenders.

Projected role: Big playmaker


--Jonathan Givony


I asked the guy who mentioned Cole Anthony (the scout) what he thought of Toppin and he also said he would be worried about Obi Toppin's defense here. And it's not the guy that earlier stopped by to mention that...this is a different one, who has actually done some work for an NBA team. So I looked back at Mike Schmitz's writeup. I like that he can defend the rim, block shots, and play small ball 5, but I guess his perimeter defense needs work. However, I'm also not sure if he knows how much Ayton's D has improved.

ESPN updated their rankings....here is Obi Toppin's writeup:

Pre-Draft Analysis
Strengths
- Explosive leaper with solid size at 6-9, high shoulders and a reach better than his 6-10.5 wingspan would suggest. Big hands. Runs the floor really well. Lob threat. One of the best finishers in college basketball.
- Versatile offensive skill set. Can pop out to 3 (career 47.6%) with sound mechanics, finish at the rim or score in the post. Takes advantage of switches with jump hooks over either shoulder or quick spins. Comfortable post passer. Likes to facilitate with his left hand.
- Comfortable protecting the rim in a pinch. Can play some minutes at the small-ball 5 spot because of his shot-blocking instincts. Solid positional rebounder on both ends. Has a great energy about him on the floor.

Improvement areas
- Narrow-hipped and thin in his lower body. Really upright as a runner and mover. High-hipped. Short, choppy strides.
- Has his struggles sitting down and sliding with perimeter forwards. How much can he function at the 4 as a perimeter defender? Lacks the strength to bang with more traditional centers in the post. Gets moved on the defensive glass at times. Also moved off his spots trying to establish position in the post. Where does he fit in defensively?
- Not all that comfortable attacking off the bounce quite yet, in part because of his upright nature. Needs time and space to get his 3-ball off. Much better off the catch than the dribble. Has a feel but still maturing as a decision maker.

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Post#150 » by SlovenianDragon » Sun Feb 9, 2020 6:14 pm

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Post#151 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sun Feb 9, 2020 6:19 pm

ATTL wrote:There are a few intriguing power forward prospects that should be available for us.
Reed, toppin, Smith, okongwu.
Okongwu probably struggles at the 4 until he learns to shoot but the other guys seem capable from 3 already.


I think Okongwu has the best chance of becoming a star with his terrific combination of speed, strength, length and skills. He's the only player I'd consider on this list were we to have, say the #4 pick. I agree that he's not a perfect fit next to Ayton, since all he does is dive to the rim every time he gets the ball. OTOH, you draft for talent, not for fit. Amirite?

I'd strongly consider Toppin at the back of the lottery if he fell to us. Dynamic, NBA-ready offensive game that would help us from day 1. Doesn't get you the blocks, steals or rebounds that the rest of these guys get, and may not have as high a ceiling because his age. My biggest concerns are whether he'll prove a useful defender at the NBA level, whether he'll improve his long ball, and whether he'll develop as a facilitator.

I really struggle choosing between Reed and Smith. I love Reed's upside as a potential defensive superstar, but he's been inconsistent and DePaul isn't winning. Jalen Smith, meanwhile, gives you a steady stream of rebounds, blocks and three point shooting for a top college team, at 19. My biggest concern with Smith is that he plays the 5 in college, and I think he'll play the 5 in the NBA as well. Ultimately, I suppose I gotta give the edge to Paul Reed if I'm choosing between them, but I'm not sold on either of these guys as being our best option with a back-of-the-lotto pick.
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Post#152 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sun Feb 9, 2020 6:22 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Nico Mannion with a very bad game tonight.


Nico hasn't shown me enough to want to give him an NBA contract. He's young and needs more success at the NCAA level before I'd be willing to draft him. I wouldn't be surprised if he fell in the draft, were he to declare.
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Post#153 » by SlovenianDragon » Sun Feb 9, 2020 6:30 pm

Oh I see a lot of people have brought up Haliburton well count me in on the bandwagon!

Hes like if you mixed Jerome and Mikal.
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Post#154 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 9, 2020 6:33 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
ATTL wrote:There are a few intriguing power forward prospects that should be available for us.
Reed, toppin, Smith, okongwu.
Okongwu probably struggles at the 4 until he learns to shoot but the other guys seem capable from 3 already.


I think Okongwu has the best chance of becoming a star with his terrific combination of speed, strength, length and skills. He's the only player I'd consider on this list were we to have, say the #4 pick. I agree that he's not a perfect fit next to Ayton, since all he does is dive to the rim every time he gets the ball. OTOH, you draft for talent, not for fit. Amirite?

I'd strongly consider Toppin at the back of the lottery if he fell to us. Dynamic, NBA-ready offensive game that would help us from day 1. Doesn't get you the blocks, steals or rebounds that the rest of these guys get, and may not have as high a ceiling because his age. My biggest concerns are whether he'll prove a useful defender at the NBA level, whether he'll improve his long ball, and whether he'll develop as a facilitator.

I really struggle choosing between Reed and Smith. I love Reed's upside as a potential defensive superstar, but he's been inconsistent and DePaul isn't winning. Jalen Smith, meanwhile, gives you a steady stream of rebounds, blocks and three point shooting for a top college team, at 19. My biggest concern with Smith is that he plays the 5 in college, and I think he'll play the 5 in the NBA as well. Ultimately, I suppose I gotta give the edge to Paul Reed if I'm choosing between them, but I'm not sold on either of these guys as being our best option with a back-of-the-lotto pick.


What makes you so impressed with him? I think he's a C too. You think he's the best player in the draft? I do like he's a good FT shooter, and can block shots, but he can't shoot, which I guess would be fine next to Ayton if you want Ayton shooting 3s and out on the perimeter.

Or do you just buy the guy who runs tankathon's rankings more than Mike Schmitz and Givony? Here are their rankings:

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Post#155 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sun Feb 9, 2020 6:34 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Killian Hayes could be the best fit. 60% TS%, almost a 2/1 ast/to ratio, solid defense, good with steals. A lot of turnovers though.

His ESPN writeup:

Pre-Draft Analysis
Strengths
- Great size for a lead guard. Has the tools to defend either guard spot when fully motivated. Can change speeds and directions with the ball. Fluid athlete who can use his size to overpower smaller guards.
- Comfortable pick-and-roll player with three-level scoring potential. Capable of making shots off the dribble and scoring inside the arc with floaters. Nifty ball handler. Can create space with step-backs. Plays with a lot of confidence for his age.
- Improved floor game. Can whip the ball around with his left hand. Comfortable hitting the roller or the weakside corner when going to his left.

Improvement areas
- Average athletically both in terms of burst and vertical explosion. Tends to struggle with aggressive ball pressure. Doesn't quite have the shiftiness to beat rangy defenders off the dribble. Will have to become a more consistent shooter to combat that.
- Extremely left hand dominant as a driver, passer and finisher. Lack of willingness to use his right-hand limits him all over the floor -- misses live-dribble passes going right, doesn't get all the way to the rim and settles for lefty floaters when put on his right hand.
- Defensive intensity comes and goes. While improved, approach to the game was a question mark in the past. Needs the ball in his hands to have an impact.

--Mike Schmitz


Of course he's from France.

One guy that I know told me he watched and was really impressed with his Deni Advija, who sounds interesting. ESPN has him ranked #5 overall. Size of a PF with skills more like a PG....at least according to Givony. Tankathon has his TS% near 60%, and his 3pt% at 36.6%, though Givony mentions his 3pt% being lower. I think tankathon updates the #s more often.

ESPN's writeup on him:

Pre-Draft Analysis
Strengths
- Big enough to play PF at 6-foot-9 with a good frame, but has the ballhandling, creativity and playmaking skill of a PG. At his best operating out of pick-and-roll, where he displays excellent timing and vision from his unique vantage point, allowing him to make every read and pass in the book. Aggressive offensive player who is in attack mode every time he steps onto the floor. Loves shooting pull-up 3-pointers in transition. Never hesitates to fire away when open. Brings toughness, competitiveness and swagger.
- Learning how to play without the ball this season in a more compact role at the pro level. Elite cutter thanks to his strong feel for the game. Capable of playmaking out of secondary ballhandling situations. Makes the right play more often than not.
- Has made significant strides on the defensive end, one of the main reasons he's been able to get real minutes in the EuroLeague. Covers ground well and plays with real intensity getting over screens, battling on the glass and rotating to protect the rim. Gets in passing lanes, blocks quite a few shots and rebounds very well.

Improvement areas
- Inconsistent shooter who has converted just 32% of his 3-pointers and 58% of his free throws over a huge sample size. Mechanics have been tweaked repeatedly to the point that you rarely see him shooting the same way, sometimes kicking his legs out excessively or looking very stiff with his release.
- Being asked to do very little in terms of creating his own shot in isolation, pushing in the open court or playing pick-and-roll. Some NBA teams might struggle to get past his limited role.
- Struggles to create offense from a standstill. Right-hand-dominant and much more limited when pushed to dribble or finish with his off hand. Reliant on changes of speed and using his body to create space, which might prove more difficult against NBA defenders.

Projected role: Big playmaker


--Jonathan Givony



Advija's highlights look great. Seems like a top lotto prospect for sure. He's got NBA speed and athleticism and plays with intensity. I'd take him over Toppin, no doubt.

And you know I like Killian Hayes. I don't expect either of these guys to be on the board when we pick.
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Post#156 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 9, 2020 6:38 pm

SlovenianDragon wrote:Oh I see a lot of people have brought up Haliburton well count me in on the bandwagon!

Hes like if you mixed Jerome and Mikal.


I don't think we can get him unless we jump. However, a lot of teams have PGs, and a lot of them who draft guards will want the big name 1 and done guys like Edwards, Anthony, and maybe Mannion...so he could slide.

Just depends on how committed they are to Jerome, and of course Saric.

If Halliburton is gone, or maybe even if not, I probably draft best 3pt shooting defensive PF, and sign Millsap for a year so the rook can watch him and learn, and hopefully be ready the following year. Millsap ranked 2nd in DRPM among PFs and shooting over 41% from 3. He obviously hasn't fallen off much, if any, yet.
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Post#157 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sun Feb 9, 2020 6:55 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
ATTL wrote:There are a few intriguing power forward prospects that should be available for us.
Reed, toppin, Smith, okongwu.
Okongwu probably struggles at the 4 until he learns to shoot but the other guys seem capable from 3 already.


I think Okongwu has the best chance of becoming a star with his terrific combination of speed, strength, length and skills. He's the only player I'd consider on this list were we to have, say the #4 pick. I agree that he's not a perfect fit next to Ayton, since all he does is dive to the rim every time he gets the ball. OTOH, you draft for talent, not for fit. Amirite?

I'd strongly consider Toppin at the back of the lottery if he fell to us. Dynamic, NBA-ready offensive game that would help us from day 1. Doesn't get you the blocks, steals or rebounds that the rest of these guys get, and may not have as high a ceiling because his age. My biggest concerns are whether he'll prove a useful defender at the NBA level, whether he'll improve his long ball, and whether he'll develop as a facilitator.

I really struggle choosing between Reed and Smith. I love Reed's upside as a potential defensive superstar, but he's been inconsistent and DePaul isn't winning. Jalen Smith, meanwhile, gives you a steady stream of rebounds, blocks and three point shooting for a top college team, at 19. My biggest concern with Smith is that he plays the 5 in college, and I think he'll play the 5 in the NBA as well. Ultimately, I suppose I gotta give the edge to Paul Reed if I'm choosing between them, but I'm not sold on either of these guys as being our best option with a back-of-the-lotto pick.


What makes you so impressed with him? I think he's a C too. You think he's the best player in the draft? I do like he's a good FT shooter, and can block shots, but he can't shoot, which I guess would be fine next to Ayton if you want Ayton shooting 3s and out on the perimeter.

Or do you just buy the guy who runs tankathon's rankings more than Mike Schmitz and Givony? Here are their rankings:

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IDK why Schmitz has him so low. I agree that he's not a good fit next to Ayton and projects as an NBA 5. I'm just saying he's the most gifted of the bunch and the only one I see who has top-of-the-lotto talent. I too am impressed by his FT% and wonder if he might be able to put range on his shot. But I digress, because no, I would not select him #1, because I wouldn't draft a guy #1 if I intended to bring off the bench. But I have no idea who I'd take in that scenario. I'd strongly consider moving down.
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Post#158 » by SlovenianDragon » Sun Feb 9, 2020 7:53 pm

Wow Lamelo is ass. Finally decided to check out his stats and a few videos. Dude shouldn't even be in the NBA let alone a lottery pick wtf.

His personal suckage aside his team is 5-21 for the worst record in Australia.

Not only does he suck his team sucks.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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Post#159 » by thamadkant » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:30 am

I think Brandon Clarke is perfect next to Ayton, would Grizzlies trade him for a pick between 12 and 15?
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Post#160 » by DirtyDez » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:02 am

thamadkant wrote:I think Brandon Clarke is perfect next to Ayton, would Grizzlies trade him for a pick between 12 and 15?


He’d be so perfect it hurts and I wasn’t a big fan of him. Looking past the “dashboard” stats his metrics are impressive too. He’s 2nd in BPM and VORP.

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