Buyout Thread: If Celtics get a player in buyout market, who would be cut?

[SMTBSI]

Guys, Dragan Bender **** blows. Why are we talking about him?

Because we basically have an open roster spot (via Green), and one of the few viable things we can do with it this season, if no useful buyout veteran becomes available, is take a flyer on a stalled out young guy. A 1+1 with a team option / non-guaranteed 2nd year is a zero risk move.

Obviously doing nothing with it and just hanging onto Green is fine too. But we need things to talk about...

Honestly, what have you seen that has led you to believe he even has more upside than Green? He isnt good at basketball. If he wasnt mistakenly picked in the top 5, you wouldnt be considering this.

That's a fair question, and the answer admittedly is "not much".

The thing is, I basically consider Green a zero-value asset. No real upside. And I like the guy's effort and attitude, I don't want to disparage him personally. But we will have forgotten about him some time in the near future.

So, I guess Bender is more-or-less a stand-in for the kind of longshot I'd rather spend that roster spot on.

Do you have any other names you'd rather get a look at? (Again, assuming we don't find a useful buyout veteran.)

[Curmudgeon]

Well, MKG will be on the street soon. Next case.

[Celts17Pride]

As Canman1971 said, neither Javonte Green or Dragan Bender has any value in the playoffs ahead. If the Celtics need a contribution from either in the playoffs they are done. The question is who has the higher upside and that clearly is 22 years old Dragan Bender

Based on what?

Benders only full year he shot 37% from 3. This year he is shooting 44% from 3. Javonte Green can’t get those numbers if he was the only person in the gym.

[SmartWentCrazy]

As Canman1971 said, neither Javonte Green or Dragan Bender has any value in the playoffs ahead. If the Celtics need a contribution from either in the playoffs they are done. The question is who has the higher upside and that clearly is 22 years old Dragan Bender

Based on what?

Benders only full year he shot 37% from 3. This year he is shooting 44% from 3. Javonte Green can’t get those numbers if he was the only person in the gym.

I mean, he’s 4/9 this year. He had ~300 attempts the year he shot 36.6%; however its too small a sample to draw significance. His career sample of 533 threes is better, and he hit those at a 32.3% clip.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Because we basically have an open roster spot (via Green), and one of the few viable things we can do with it this season, if no useful buyout veteran becomes available, is take a flyer on a stalled out young guy. A 1+1 with a team option / non-guaranteed 2nd year is a zero risk move.

Obviously doing nothing with it and just hanging onto Green is fine too. But we need things to talk about...

Honestly, what have you seen that has led you to believe he even has more upside than Green? He isnt good at basketball. If he wasnt mistakenly picked in the top 5, you wouldnt be considering this.

That's a fair question, and the answer admittedly is "not much".

The thing is, I basically consider Green a zero-value asset. No real upside. And I like the guy's effort and attitude, I don't want to disparage him personally. But we will have forgotten about him some time in the near future.

So, I guess Bender is more-or-less a stand-in for the kind of longshot I'd rather spend that roster spot on.

Do you have any other names you'd rather get a look at? (Again, assuming we don't find a useful buyout veteran.)

Green is a complete zero who will be gone next year. Im open to cutting him for a player who will help us. Thats just not Dragan Bender.

Whomever we cut needs to be able to materially help us— Green has been with the team all year and everyone seems to be friendly with him. There will be a very minor chemistry bump from cutting him. If we sign someone, their expected contribution to the team should be large enough to outweigh the minor hit. We wont get that with Bender.

[SMTBSI]

Honestly, what have you seen that has led you to believe he even has more upside than Green? He isnt good at basketball. If he wasnt mistakenly picked in the top 5, you wouldnt be considering this.

That's a fair question, and the answer admittedly is "not much".

The thing is, I basically consider Green a zero-value asset. No real upside. And I like the guy's effort and attitude, I don't want to disparage him personally. But we will have forgotten about him some time in the near future.

So, I guess Bender is more-or-less a stand-in for the kind of longshot I'd rather spend that roster spot on.

Do you have any other names you'd rather get a look at? (Again, assuming we don't find a useful buyout veteran.)

Green is a complete zero who will be gone next year. Im open to cutting him for a player who will help us. Thats just not Dragan Bender.

Whomever we cut needs to be able to materially help us— Green has been with the team all year and everyone seems to be friendly with him. There will be a very minor chemistry bump from cutting him. If we sign someone, their expected contribution to the team should be large enough to outweigh the minor hit. We wont get that with Bender.

I said in my first post in this thread I prefer holding out for a vet like TT. Bender discussion was completely in the context of failing to get a usable vet.

Honestly just not super worried about the chemistry hit of cutting our 15th man.

Sounds like you think Bender has essentially a 0% chance of ever contributing. That's fine - you probably know more about him than I do.

Do you have any other names in mind?

[SmartWentCrazy]

That's a fair question, and the answer admittedly is "not much".

The thing is, I basically consider Green a zero-value asset. No real upside. And I like the guy's effort and attitude, I don't want to disparage him personally. But we will have forgotten about him some time in the near future.

So, I guess Bender is more-or-less a stand-in for the kind of longshot I'd rather spend that roster spot on.

Do you have any other names you'd rather get a look at? (Again, assuming we don't find a useful buyout veteran.)

Green is a complete zero who will be gone next year. Im open to cutting him for a player who will help us. Thats just not Dragan Bender.

Whomever we cut needs to be able to materially help us— Green has been with the team all year and everyone seems to be friendly with him. There will be a very minor chemistry bump from cutting him. If we sign someone, their expected contribution to the team should be large enough to outweigh the minor hit. We wont get that with Bender.

I said in my first post in this thread I prefer holding out for a vet like TT. Bender discussion was completely in the context of failing to get a usable vet.

Honestly just not super worried about the chemistry hit of cutting our 15th man.

Sounds like you think Bender has essentially a 0% chance of ever contributing. That's fine - you probably know more about him than I do.

Do you have any other names in mind?

I’d prefer a wing like Harkless. A big like Biyombo. TT obviously. Would monitor Reggie Jackson.

Hell, I’d even prefer ET to Bender.

[SMTBSI]

Green is a complete zero who will be gone next year. Im open to cutting him for a player who will help us. Thats just not Dragan Bender.

Whomever we cut needs to be able to materially help us— Green has been with the team all year and everyone seems to be friendly with him. There will be a very minor chemistry bump from cutting him. If we sign someone, their expected contribution to the team should be large enough to outweigh the minor hit. We wont get that with Bender.

I said in my first post in this thread I prefer holding out for a vet like TT. Bender discussion was completely in the context of failing to get a usable vet.

Honestly just not super worried about the chemistry hit of cutting our 15th man.

Sounds like you think Bender has essentially a 0% chance of ever contributing. That's fine - you probably know more about him than I do.

Do you have any other names in mind?

I’d prefer a wing like Harkless. A big like Biyombo. TT obviously. Would monitor Reggie Jackson.

Hell, I’d even prefer ET to Bender.

All of those are vets, who I would also prefer to Bender.

[Green89]

Bench outscored 34-16 tonight. We need(ed) a bench scorer.

[31to6]

Bench outscored 34-16 tonight. We need(ed) a bench scorer.

Has it occurred to you yet that we usually have one, often two of Tatum, Brown, Kemba, and Hayward on the court at all times?

[Green89]

Bench outscored 34-16 tonight. We need(ed) a bench scorer.

Has it occurred to you yet that we usually have one, often two of Tatum, Brown, Kemba, and Hayward on the court at all times?

Not last game against the Hawks. We had none of them on the floor in Q2. Lineup was like Semi, Romeo, Grant, Kanter, and Wannamaker. We were up 24-10 and Atlanta went on like a 32 point run.

[CelticsPride18]

Green is a complete zero who will be gone next year. Im open to cutting him for a player who will help us. Thats just not Dragan Bender.

Whomever we cut needs to be able to materially help us— Green has been with the team all year and everyone seems to be friendly with him. There will be a very minor chemistry bump from cutting him. If we sign someone, their expected contribution to the team should be large enough to outweigh the minor hit. We wont get that with Bender.

I said in my first post in this thread I prefer holding out for a vet like TT. Bender discussion was completely in the context of failing to get a usable vet.

Honestly just not super worried about the chemistry hit of cutting our 15th man.

Sounds like you think Bender has essentially a 0% chance of ever contributing. That's fine - you probably know more about him than I do.

Do you have any other names in mind?

I’d prefer a wing like Harkless. A big like Biyombo. TT obviously. Would monitor Reggie Jackson.

Hell, I’d even prefer ET to Bender.

No to Jackson I despise his game. I would monitor MKG he was a defensive playmaker a few year ago. Another body to throw at wings in the playoffs

[jirrit]

I think Green would be more valuable in the playoffs than Bender. There might be times when that tough Tony Allen-like defensive pressure would be needed.

This is a good point, and almost convinced me. But honestly, one of the main things I want to see in the 2nd half of the season is Langford get slowly integrated more and more. He's no slouch on defense either. And if both Langford and Green are logging real minutes in the playoffs, we've got a serious problem. And if only one of them is, and it's Green instead of Langford, that's bad too.

I see more defense in Langford than in Green.

At Green's position we could have one of these guys, some are a bit far fetched bit still: Smart, Wannamaker, Hayward, Brown, Tatum, Grant, Langford & Semi. That's enough back-up IMO, so he's the first one out, then Poirier but he has a contract of two years so if we have to cut him it would have to be for a significant impact player. I think Turner has a big chance of replacing Green, he knows the system, can play with the ball in his hands and create his own shot. I'm pretty sure Ainge & Stevens will see him as an upgrade over Green and I can follow that thinking.

Don't know if there's gonna be someone else significant on the market for us.

[MagicBagley18]

Guys, Dragan Bender **** blows. Why are we talking about him?

Scream from the top of the mountains .....he suckkkks

[MagicBagley18]

Gummies are legal in Boston and on waiters island let’s go Dion haha

[CelticsPride18]

Gummies are legal in Boston and on waiters island let’s go Dion haha

He would be scary Terry 2.0

[31to6]

Bench outscored 34-16 tonight. We need(ed) a bench scorer.

Has it occurred to you yet that we usually have one, often two of Tatum, Brown, Kemba, and Hayward on the court at all times?

Not last game against the Hawks. We had none of them on the floor in Q2. Lineup was like Semi, Romeo, Grant, Kanter, and Wannamaker. We were up 24-10 and Atlanta went on like a 32 point run.

Right and you could have joined me in having zero concern that we were going to lose that game, in which Romeo scored 16 points, which would be a pretty good night for IT (should I mention the three blocks?) and a “here’s the game ball old timer” night for Marvin Williams.

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[Green89]

Thomas just waived by the Clippers

Let's get him. We need scoring and a veteran voice for the bench

Love IT, but if Reggie Jackson gets bought out, he'd be the better option.

[zoyathedestroya]

If we're going after a guard, I prefer Tyler Johnson over IT, Reggie, etc. But I think Wanamaker has shown enough to merit PT in the playoffs. Hayward, Kemba, and Smart can all handle too. Just don't let Tatum bring down the ball smh.