2020 Offseason Speculation, free agency, summer trades (keep draft prospect talk in draft thread)

[RunDogGun]

Final thoughts on JJ. With a new GM the first year is always a purge of guys they don't want from the previous regime. I haven't always agreed with the methods or even some of the players he decided to purge but I get it's part of the process. From here on out it's all his team, the bad money and guys are gone. Hope he finds the right combo going forward or we'll go through this again in a year or two.

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And thats why my new strategy for this offseason is not worrying about needing a PF. The biggest need is getting a player that helps the bench out. If Jones falls into a trap of needing a 4 - he might pass on better talent.

The stats show the current starting 5 is pretty dynamic. Its the bench. Now, I get injuries are a factor - but if the best fit is Bogdonovich and he costs you 15-18m of cap space - so be it. Thats a lot of wing players - but get the talent.

For me, I think we find a solid player who compliments Cam, if we can't find a legit starting PF. Oubre and Bridges work well together. If Saric rebounded better, and could be a very good defender, then that would compliment Cam's spot up shooting. The key we need to understand is defense really comes down to players being able to switch quickly and understand the best position for defense. Having a surplus of wings shouldn't be a problem if you can use them properly and they can switch quickly.

[RunDogGun]

I could see them revisit a Kennard trade depending where their pick lands. A combo guard who can shoot and take some playmaking duties is a must this summer. Ideally a better defender than Kennard but if the perfect guy isn't there I'd conceed on that defensive part.

He wouldn't really help with playmaking but I wouldn't mind taking a look at Furkan Korkmaz. Good shooter and young enough to still have some upside. Not a great defender but he is 6'7 so at least he's big for a guard.

Furkan also had one of the funniest quotes after last season so extra credit for that

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I think Korkmaz would be a great pickup if we can pull it off. That dude can score.

[RunDogGun]

I am all for bringing Bender back to the Suns. It would be moronic for our front office to be worried about admitting a mistake. Bender has a solid skillset and could easily run the PF or center spot. If he really worked on his shot and increased his aggression, he could be a solid rotational player. I just don't see many bigs we can pick up to fill Tyler's spot. We have enough guards, we need another healthy big.

Gleague stats: 20/9 shooting 50/38/80 in 13 games

Side note: isn't waiving Tyler an admission of making a mistake trading for him in the first place?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Final thoughts on JJ. With a new GM the first year is always a purge of guys they don't want from the previous regime. I haven't always agreed with the methods or even some of the players he decided to purge but I get it's part of the process. From here on out it's all his team, the bad money and guys are gone. Hope he finds the right combo going forward or we'll go through this again in a year or two.

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And thats why my new strategy for this offseason is not worrying about needing a PF. The biggest need is getting a player that helps the bench out. If Jones falls into a trap of needing a 4 - he might pass on better talent.

The stats show the current starting 5 is pretty dynamic. Its the bench. Now, I get injuries are a factor - but if the best fit is Bogdonovich and he costs you 15-18m of cap space - so be it. Thats a lot of wing players - but get the talent.

For me, I think we find a solid player who compliments Cam, if we can't find a legit starting PF. Oubre and Bridges work well together. If Saric rebounded better, and could be a very good defender, then that would compliment Cam's spot up shooting. The key we need to understand is defense really comes down to players being able to switch quickly and understand the best position for defense. Having a surplus of wings shouldn't be a problem if you can use them properly and they can switch quickly.

Christian Wood got 17 and 11 with 2 blocks and 2 assists, shooting 3-7 from 3, in his last game against the Knicks. 27 and 12 with 5 assists, shooting 3-6 from 3, in the previous game vs OKC. And of course you know what he did to us when we put Bridges on him.

I don't think there's any problem starting Bridges and Oubre next season, but great 4's can still do a lot of damage in this league. Whether you start him or bring him off the bench, Wood would really help us.

Detroit has even more cap space this summer than we do. If we pounce quickly with a significant offer, though, we might be able to grab him, especially if DET has other priorities in free agency.

Right now I'm just looking for a Plan B for FA priority and I'm not settled on any yet. Kinda hope that we don't end up with one of Gallinari or Millsap.

[RunDogGun]

And thats why my new strategy for this offseason is not worrying about needing a PF. The biggest need is getting a player that helps the bench out. If Jones falls into a trap of needing a 4 - he might pass on better talent.

The stats show the current starting 5 is pretty dynamic. Its the bench. Now, I get injuries are a factor - but if the best fit is Bogdonovich and he costs you 15-18m of cap space - so be it. Thats a lot of wing players - but get the talent.

For me, I think we find a solid player who compliments Cam, if we can't find a legit starting PF. Oubre and Bridges work well together. If Saric rebounded better, and could be a very good defender, then that would compliment Cam's spot up shooting. The key we need to understand is defense really comes down to players being able to switch quickly and understand the best position for defense. Having a surplus of wings shouldn't be a problem if you can use them properly and they can switch quickly.

Christian Wood got 17 and 11 with 2 blocks and 2 assists, shooting 3-7 from 3, in his last game against the Knicks. 27 and 12 with 5 assists, shooting 3-6 from 3, in the previous game vs OKC. And of course you know what he did to us when we put Bridges on him.

I don't think there's any problem starting Bridges and Oubre next season, but great 4's can still do a lot of damage in this league. Whether you start him or bring him off the bench, Wood would really help us.

Detroit has even more cap space this summer than we do. If we pounce quickly with a significant offer, though, we might be able to grab him, especially if DET has other priorities in free agency.

Right now I'm just looking for a Plan B for FA priority and I'm not settled on any yet. Kinda hope that we don't end up with one of Gallinari or Millsap.

I liked Wood when we had him and we should have held on to him, but oh well. My point is with screens, any player can get the switch they want. I would rather have a guy who can switch quickly and do a decent job on a player, than have a big who is slower, and can't get out on the perimeter shooters.

[WeekapaugGroove]

For me, I think we find a solid player who compliments Cam, if we can't find a legit starting PF. Oubre and Bridges work well together. If Saric rebounded better, and could be a very good defender, then that would compliment Cam's spot up shooting. The key we need to understand is defense really comes down to players being able to switch quickly and understand the best position for defense. Having a surplus of wings shouldn't be a problem if you can use them properly and they can switch quickly.

Christian Wood got 17 and 11 with 2 blocks and 2 assists, shooting 3-7 from 3, in his last game against the Knicks. 27 and 12 with 5 assists, shooting 3-6 from 3, in the previous game vs OKC. And of course you know what he did to us when we put Bridges on him.

I don't think there's any problem starting Bridges and Oubre next season, but great 4's can still do a lot of damage in this league. Whether you start him or bring him off the bench, Wood would really help us.

Detroit has even more cap space this summer than we do. If we pounce quickly with a significant offer, though, we might be able to grab him, especially if DET has other priorities in free agency.

Right now I'm just looking for a Plan B for FA priority and I'm not settled on any yet. Kinda hope that we don't end up with one of Gallinari or Millsap.

I liked Wood when we had him and we should have held on to him, but oh well. My point is with screens, any player can get the switch they want. I would rather have a guy who can switch quickly and do a decent job on a player, than have a big who is slower, and can't get out on the perimeter shooters.

The suns had Wood at some point? I've advocated for signing him when the bucks released him last year and again when NO released him this past summer but I don't remember him being on the Suns.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

I am all for bringing Bender back to the Suns. It would be moronic for our front office to be worried about admitting a mistake. Bender has a solid skillset and could easily run the PF or center spot. If he really worked on his shot and increased his aggression, he could be a solid rotational player. I just don't see many bigs we can pick up to fill Tyler's spot. We have enough guards, we need another healthy big.

Gleague stats: 20/9 shooting 50/38/80 in 13 games

I don't think it would be admitting a mistake of they brought Bender back. Not picking up his $7mil option for this season was the right move. Like he's a fun little project on a min contract but he's definitely not worth $7mil.

As far as not resigning him this past summer we really don't know if he had any interest in coming back. Not that he hates the suns or anything but I imagine he was ready for a fresh start. I don't know if he would have any interest now either but worth a call assuming he clears waivers.

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[darmani]

Christian Wood got 17 and 11 with 2 blocks and 2 assists, shooting 3-7 from 3, in his last game against the Knicks. 27 and 12 with 5 assists, shooting 3-6 from 3, in the previous game vs OKC. And of course you know what he did to us when we put Bridges on him.

I don't think there's any problem starting Bridges and Oubre next season, but great 4's can still do a lot of damage in this league. Whether you start him or bring him off the bench, Wood would really help us.

Detroit has even more cap space this summer than we do. If we pounce quickly with a significant offer, though, we might be able to grab him, especially if DET has other priorities in free agency.

Right now I'm just looking for a Plan B for FA priority and I'm not settled on any yet. Kinda hope that we don't end up with one of Gallinari or Millsap.

I liked Wood when we had him and we should have held on to him, but oh well. My point is with screens, any player can get the switch they want. I would rather have a guy who can switch quickly and do a decent job on a player, than have a big who is slower, and can't get out on the perimeter shooters.

The suns had Wood at some point? I've advocated for signing him when the bucks released him last year and again when NO released him this past summer but I don't remember him being on the Suns.

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Wood was on the Suns Summer League team 3 years ago. He was useless.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

For me, I think we find a solid player who compliments Cam, if we can't find a legit starting PF. Oubre and Bridges work well together. If Saric rebounded better, and could be a very good defender, then that would compliment Cam's spot up shooting. The key we need to understand is defense really comes down to players being able to switch quickly and understand the best position for defense. Having a surplus of wings shouldn't be a problem if you can use them properly and they can switch quickly.

Christian Wood got 17 and 11 with 2 blocks and 2 assists, shooting 3-7 from 3, in his last game against the Knicks. 27 and 12 with 5 assists, shooting 3-6 from 3, in the previous game vs OKC. And of course you know what he did to us when we put Bridges on him.

I don't think there's any problem starting Bridges and Oubre next season, but great 4's can still do a lot of damage in this league. Whether you start him or bring him off the bench, Wood would really help us.

Detroit has even more cap space this summer than we do. If we pounce quickly with a significant offer, though, we might be able to grab him, especially if DET has other priorities in free agency.

Right now I'm just looking for a Plan B for FA priority and I'm not settled on any yet. Kinda hope that we don't end up with one of Gallinari or Millsap.

I liked Wood when we had him and we should have held on to him, but oh well. My point is with screens, any player can get the switch they want. I would rather have a guy who can switch quickly and do a decent job on a player, than have a big who is slower, and can't get out on the perimeter shooters.

I mean, I agree that your bigs need to be able to switch, but you need guys who can switch onto bigs as well (in other words, you still need bigs). I thought Dario played decent defense for us much of the season, but he's not a game changer on that end, and his offense has been downright anemic. Baynes has been... out. Certainly a downgrade from Richaun Holmes, in terms of what he's given us on the court.

We clearly need to add another rotation big, and one who could play either the 4 (next to Ayton) or 5 (in his absence) would be ideal. But it's one thing to know what you need, it's another thing to identify practical options who would satisfy your criteria. Last year, several of us ID'd Brandon Clarke as the best option for what our team lacked. This year, we seem to be coalescing around Wood and to a lesser extent, Bender. Two agile bigs who can shoot the 3. I'm not sure we disagree, but I won't be able to tell unless you offer a contrary suggestion.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It's a shame Dario got hurt when he did. I kind of sort of liked him as the backup C and would have liked to see it a little more. He's a tough matchup for some backup Cs and most backup Cs are actually skilled enough to punish him on the other end.

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[RunDogGun]

Christian Wood got 17 and 11 with 2 blocks and 2 assists, shooting 3-7 from 3, in his last game against the Knicks. 27 and 12 with 5 assists, shooting 3-6 from 3, in the previous game vs OKC. And of course you know what he did to us when we put Bridges on him.

I don't think there's any problem starting Bridges and Oubre next season, but great 4's can still do a lot of damage in this league. Whether you start him or bring him off the bench, Wood would really help us.

Detroit has even more cap space this summer than we do. If we pounce quickly with a significant offer, though, we might be able to grab him, especially if DET has other priorities in free agency.

Right now I'm just looking for a Plan B for FA priority and I'm not settled on any yet. Kinda hope that we don't end up with one of Gallinari or Millsap.

I liked Wood when we had him and we should have held on to him, but oh well. My point is with screens, any player can get the switch they want. I would rather have a guy who can switch quickly and do a decent job on a player, than have a big who is slower, and can't get out on the perimeter shooters.

The suns had Wood at some point? I've advocated for signing him when the bucks released him last year and again when NO released him this past summer but I don't remember him being on the Suns.

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Wasn't he on our summer league team a few years ago? Maybe I am wrong about that.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I liked Wood when we had him and we should have held on to him, but oh well. My point is with screens, any player can get the switch they want. I would rather have a guy who can switch quickly and do a decent job on a player, than have a big who is slower, and can't get out on the perimeter shooters.

The suns had Wood at some point? I've advocated for signing him when the bucks released him last year and again when NO released him this past summer but I don't remember him being on the Suns.

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Wasn't he on our summer league team a few years ago?

Seems that way. Completely escaped my memory. I tend to block out summer league the minute it's over

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[RunDogGun]

The suns had Wood at some point? I've advocated for signing him when the bucks released him last year and again when NO released him this past summer but I don't remember him being on the Suns.

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Wasn't he on our summer league team a few years ago?

Seems that way. Completely escaped my memory. I tend to block out summer league the minute it's over

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Just checked, 2017 summer league. Trying to find from stats from him, and found video from his Dleague game from 2017, 45 points, 15 boards, and 8 blocks.

I also remember guys saying to take Chriss out and put in Christian during that summer.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

The suns had Wood at some point? I've advocated for signing him when the bucks released him last year and again when NO released him this past summer but I don't remember him being on the Suns.

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Wasn't he on our summer league team a few years ago?

Seems that way. Completely escaped my memory. I tend to block out summer league the minute it's over

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Most young players take time to develop. Most of them never develop enough to be good NBA players. Wood has improved dramatically in the five years he's bounced around the league.

[Qwigglez]

JJ has made some iffy moves, but overall atleast he seems to have a clear vision that makes sense.

McD was all about collecting assets and then leaving it to the coach to figure things out. That how we ended up with 3 starting point guards, drafted two power forwards in the same year, drafted and signed players that didn't really address any of our needs or fit the rest of the team.

JJ seems to be dedicated to building this team around Booker and Ayton - even if this means a couple of 80 cents on the dollar trades:

• We realistically couldn't keep both Warren and Oubre, so we got rid of one.
• We needed a floor general to allow Booker to play off ball - so we paid premium to get one.
• We needed interior defense and toughness - out goes to bucks pick, in comes Baynes.
• We needed shooters around Booker and Ayton - cam and Jerome are drafted.
• we needed power forwards who can space the floor - in come Kaminski and Saric.

In a vacuum some of his trades look bad, but i like the overall vision and I hope he continues to construct this team with players who will complement the strengths and ameliorate the weaknesses of Booker and Ayton. I also don't mind the 80 cents on the dollar trades, sometimes those are a necessary evil.

100% exactly this.
The vision James Jones had this past off-season made sense, but we just got hampered by injuries, a suspension, and then some players just didn't perform. It's really a case of what could go wrong did go wrong.

I think Tyler Johnson's role to begin the season was to be our 6th man, maybe scoring 10 points off the bench. Easy to see why when he was averaging about 12 points per game the last 3 seasons.
With the Dario Saric acquisition I think the front office felt like he was being underutilized with the T-Wolves, thought maybe he could get back to his 2017-18 form when he was averaging 14.6 points, 6.7 rebounds, 2.7 assist, on 45/39/86 shooting. But no, instead he is shooting almost a career low (second lowest since rookie season) in 3PT%.
Baynes really took us by surprise and averaged 14.5 points, 5.6 rebounds while shooting 44% from 3 in his first 12 games. Got hit with injuries, and after he came back only averaged 9.4 points, 5.8 rebounds shooting 24% from 3.
I didn't initially like the Frank Kaminsky signing but he provided some much needed scoring off the bench, though he was very inconsistent with his 3-ball. He was a focus on the defensive end by opposing coaches though and was attacked relentlessly. He didn't really get a chance to work with DeAndre Ayton, so we might not know how well that pairing could have worked.

I think this summer we got some tweaking to do, we got enough cap space to make meaningful additions to the roster, and hopefully we are able to find another diamond in the rough type of signing or trade (Baynes/Oubre).

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Potential candidates for our open roster spot. I remember mentioning James Palmer in the Summer League myself as a potential player to be developed as an eventual Warren replacement. His scoring and style of play is just so very similar to TJ Warrens' that with proper development, It'd almost be like we never lost him. Meanwhile, With Oubre and Bridges, He still could be a solid consideration as a 3rd string backup shooting guard/ Small forward.

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Also, some other great prospects to really focus in on for us with our open roster spot would be:

- Kyle Alexander.

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Alexander is averaging 12.5 points, 10.9 rebounds, 2.7 blocks and 1.5 assists in 11 games. He is fourth in total rebounds among all players and fifth in offensive rebounds. Alexander has five double-doubles this season and recently strung together three consecutive such games

Alexander started off the season on a complete tear on defense. He tallied 15 total blocks in his first two games, falling just short of a point-rebound-block triple-double in both contests.

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- Kyle Guy. *** Already have mentioned him. But he'd be a great knockdown shooter and catch and shoot 3 point Sniper for us alongside of Jerome ( who he was teammates with) during their Virginia Title run. His shooting mechanics are so perfect and crisp that he'd basically be a guard version of Cam Johnson for us. Think of a mix of prime Mark Price/ Better shooting TJ McConnell. And could give us at least 3 deadeye shooters close to, Or over 40% from three alongside of Jerome and Cam Johnson.

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The Kings’ two-way rookie has been among the top players in the G League this season. In nine games played, Guy is averaging 26.6 points, 5.6 assists and 4.1 rebounds while he is shooting 36% from 3-point range. He is third among all players in total points and second in 3-pointers.

As previously mentioned, Guy tied a G League season-high with 42 points scored on Nov. 30 against the Iowa Wolves. He shot 11-of-23 from the field, including 8-of-16 from 3-point range to help the Kings to victory in that game.

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Are there any specific G league prospects and/or waiver wire players that we should be targeting to take a chance on?

But aren't those guys under contracts with teams? We can't sign them if they are under contracts with another team, we could have traded for them.

[Desertfox]

100% exactly this.
The vision James Jones had this past off-season made sense, but we just got hampered by injuries, a suspension, and then some players just didn't perform. It's really a case of what could go wrong did go wrong.

I'd argue last season was the same. There was a two week stretch were we beat the Bucks twice and the Warriors, with Bender as the starting PF... Then injuries hit and that was the end of the season.

But I don't know about this JJ "vision", everyone and their grandmothers knew that the Suns had 3 major needs, a PG, a PF, and a ready-to-play draft pick. So I am not giving JJ any credit for doing all three, especially when he missed on the other part of those 3 needs. 1) We needed a PG that could shoot, but got Rubio. 2) We needed a PF that could play defense (weakside shot-blocking), we got Saric and Kaminsky. 3) We needed a draft pick that could contribute right away, we got a 3rd string SF. His best move in the offseason was getting Baynes, which was more the Celtics trying to dump him, than the Suns trying to get him, it also lead to losing Holmes which has had a much better season than Baynes.

The fact is that we are exactly where we were last year, we still need a PG that can shoot, we still need a PF that can defend, except we now have a lot less assets to get them.

[BobbieL]

Final thoughts on JJ. With a new GM the first year is always a purge of guys they don't want from the previous regime. I haven't always agreed with the methods or even some of the players he decided to purge but I get it's part of the process. From here on out it's all his team, the bad money and guys are gone. Hope he finds the right combo going forward or we'll go through this again in a year or two.

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And thats why my new strategy for this offseason is not worrying about needing a PF. The biggest need is getting a player that helps the bench out. If Jones falls into a trap of needing a 4 - he might pass on better talent.

The stats show the current starting 5 is pretty dynamic. Its the bench. Now, I get injuries are a factor - but if the best fit is Bogdonovich and he costs you 15-18m of cap space - so be it. Thats a lot of wing players - but get the talent.

For me, I think we find a solid player who compliments Cam, if we can't find a legit starting PF. Oubre and Bridges work well together. If Saric rebounded better, and could be a very good defender, then that would compliment Cam's spot up shooting. The key we need to understand is defense really comes down to players being able to switch quickly and understand the best position for defense. Having a surplus of wings shouldn't be a problem if you can use them properly and they can switch quickly.

This is where Jones and crew really need to do their work. Look at two years ago, Bjelica signed for 40% of what Ariza got; Ryan blew his cap space at 901pm.

Now if the right guy is willing to sign at 901pm - fine. But do you damn work - be patient. Find the right players for the system . If that means 1 guy at 18-20 and a couple cheaper guys. So be it. If that means he looks for bargains like Bjelica and can get a 4 plus a SG - thats fine too. But its going to take some damn work between Jones and Monty

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

100% exactly this.
The vision James Jones had this past off-season made sense, but we just got hampered by injuries, a suspension, and then some players just didn't perform. It's really a case of what could go wrong did go wrong.

I'd argue last season was the same. There was a two week stretch were we beat the Bucks twice and the Warriors, with Bender as the starting PF... Then injuries hit and that was the end of the season.

But I don't know about this JJ "vision", everyone and their grandmothers knew that the Suns had 3 major needs, a PG, a PF, and a ready-to-play draft pick. So I am not giving JJ any credit for doing all three, especially when he missed on the other part of those 3 needs. 1) We needed a PG that could shoot, but got Rubio. 2) We needed a PF that could play defense (weakside shot-blocking), we got Saric and Kaminsky. 3) We needed a draft pick that could contribute right away, we got a 3rd string SF. His best move in the offseason was getting Baynes, which was more the Celtics trying to dump him, than the Suns trying to get him, it also lead to losing Holmes which has had a much better season than Baynes.

The fact is that we are exactly where we were last year, we still need a PG that can shoot, we still need a PF that can defend, except we now have a lot less assets to get them.

I don't know if you were able to catch Ty Jerome's recent stretch, but he looked awful good against the Mavs and Thunder, in particular. I've seen a couple comments in this thread that more or less seem to ignore his existence, and I get that he's had real injury problems this year, but I don't understand why he shouldn't be part of our equation going forward.

He's clearly a PG, and clearly, he can shoot.

[Saberestar]

And thats why my new strategy for this offseason is not worrying about needing a PF. The biggest need is getting a player that helps the bench out. If Jones falls into a trap of needing a 4 - he might pass on better talent.

The stats show the current starting 5 is pretty dynamic. Its the bench. Now, I get injuries are a factor - but if the best fit is Bogdonovich and he costs you 15-18m of cap space - so be it. Thats a lot of wing players - but get the talent.

For me, I think we find a solid player who compliments Cam, if we can't find a legit starting PF. Oubre and Bridges work well together. If Saric rebounded better, and could be a very good defender, then that would compliment Cam's spot up shooting. The key we need to understand is defense really comes down to players being able to switch quickly and understand the best position for defense. Having a surplus of wings shouldn't be a problem if you can use them properly and they can switch quickly.

This is where Jones and crew really need to do their work. Look at two years ago, Bjelica signed for 40% of what Ariza got; Ryan blew his cap space at 901pm.

Now if the right guy is willing to sign at 901pm - fine. But do you damn work - be patient. Find the right players for the system . If that means 1 guy at 18-20 and a couple cheaper guys. So be it. If that means he looks for bargains like Bjelica and can get a 4 plus a SG - thats fine too. But its going to take some damn work between Jones and Monty

I don't know what's so impressive about Bjelica. The guy is exactly like Saric and Kaminsky, who are already on our team...but injured. And the Kings are a meh team like we are, so he is not contributing to wins.

He is shooting better than them this season, but that can change pretty quickly. He has never in his career scored over 10 points per game. He is having the year of his life (12 points and 6 rebounds per game) and even with that he is not an upgrade over Saric and Kaminsky just because of him declining pretty soon. Defensively he is strictly bad, slightly better than Kaminsky and slightly worse than Saric. Right in the middle.

And Saric and Kaminsky are 5 or 6 years younger than Bjelica.

And the worse thing is that he is under contract next year, so we would need to trade for him. No needed when we can have Kaminsky on the roster for $5M if we want a PF like him.