Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins

[Quentin]

I think there are people posting here that are misunderstanding Wiggins. His problem is being engaged and interested in the game. When he is, he's amazing. But getting him to maintain that has been the issue. It's not about having a PG, that's laughable. He takes plays, quarters, half's, games, and stretches of games off. Maybe the players on GS will hold him accountable. He's never had that in Minnesota.

[Foye]

I think there are people posting here that are misunderstanding Wiggins. His problem is being engaged and interested in the game. When he is, he's amazing. But getting him to maintain that has been the issue. It's not about having a PG, that's laughable. He takes plays, quarters, half's, games, and stretches of games off. Maybe the players on GS will hold him accountable. He's never had that in Minnesota.

Sure. But if you have a PG that will give you the ball in the right place at the right time - then you don't need to be held "accountable". Because the PG is holding you accountable by making the right play to set you up.

Huge factor why Wiggins regressed when they dealt Rubio and signed Jeff Teague - who is regularly in danger of dribbling out the shot clock instead of holding anyone accountable.

Personally, I think Wiggins production will never meet his ballon contract - but he will be a decent player for GS.
Similar to what Russell will offer for MIN. And the deal will turn out an overpay by MIN.

[Quentin]

I think there are people posting here that are misunderstanding Wiggins. His problem is being engaged and interested in the game. When he is, he's amazing. But getting him to maintain that has been the issue. It's not about having a PG, that's laughable. He takes plays, quarters, half's, games, and stretches of games off. Maybe the players on GS will hold him accountable. He's never had that in Minnesota.

Sure. But if you have a PG that will give you the ball in the right place at the right time - then you don't need to be held "accountable". Because the PG is holding you accountable by making the right play to set you up.

Huge factor why Wiggins regressed when they dealt Rubio and signed Jeff Teague - who is regularly in danger of dribbling out the shot clock instead of holding anyone accountable.

Personally, I think Wiggins production will never meet his ballon contract - but he will be a decent player for GS.
Similar to what Russell will offer for MIN. And the deal will turn out an overpay by MIN.

I think you completely missed what I said.

[jason bourne]

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Wiggins should bring the crowd to their feet . TWolves had both Wiggins and Lavine???!!!???!!!

[gorz]

This was a backwards move by Meyers and golden st front office. For the record I'm one who thinks wiggins is better than some ppl give him credit for but the warriors only chance of salvaging their contention for another title run was with dlo and free flowing offense all they needed was to shore up was a defensive big either draft draft or free agency and they squandered that for Wiggins. Steph curry is no longer the same..we are beginning to see his downhill of his career..wiggins is not a creator of offense or defender arguably a better fit than dlo now that hes going from a pseudo 1st 2nd option to being more of a super role player it should change pols view of him..but his production will not overcome steph curry's decline to propel golden st back to title hopes.

[TheProdigy]

I think there are people posting here that are misunderstanding Wiggins. His problem is being engaged and interested in the game. When he is, he's amazing. But getting him to maintain that has been the issue. It's not about having a PG, that's laughable.

I would also add that in the past, Wiggs has actually become even LESS engaged and interested in the game when he becomes 3rd option on the floor. The Wolves have had the most success with Wiggs when they force the ball through him. I highly doubt the Warriors are going to do that when Steph and Klay come back.

He takes plays, quarters, half's, games, and stretches of games off. Maybe the players on GS will hold him accountable. He's never had that in Minnesota.

This has been one of my biggest issues with the franchise since Wiggs was drafted. He's been coddled since day 1. The first guy to really hold him accountable was Jimmy Butler, and we all know how that ended up.

I think if Wiggs' coaches early in his career had given him some tough love, he might be a vastly improved player today. Instead, he's got his huge max contract now and is likely set in his ways.

[Effigy]

I'm dying to know what happened here. How did they go from signing him 6 months ago to trading him for Andrew Wiggins and a pick?

Curry and Klay and Dray don't care for his style of play.

Curry and Klay haven't really even played with him. (Klay not at all, Curry barely)

[Knicks7Tape]

This was a really good read about Wiggins potential fit with the Warriors. Either way it'll be fun AF to watch how this marriage turns out.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/09/andrew-wiggins-golden-state-warriors-first-game-nba-lebron-james-dangelo-russell-steph-curry-klay-thompson-nba-highlights-video-stats-contract-trade/

[zhenyasj]

then don't do the trade, that's part of the negotiation. either they take Iggy, who is an asset all to himself essentially for free, or walk away. the idea that we NEEDED to give Dlo 30mil a pop is nonsensical.

we ended up essentially trading Justise Winslow/2024 FRP for Wiggins/2021 FRP...Myers got his clock cleaned.

That's a ridiculous way of looking at this, unless you knew the future and could predict Steph's injury. It's also short sighted.

When the trade was made last year Steph wasn't hurt, Warriors were thought to be fighting for a playoff spot, and had a thin and aging roster. Myers rightly decided that getting a young asset was an improvement over a washed up Iggy. The roster badly needed an injection of talent while the window to challenge for a title is still open, and 2024 pick doesn't do that. 2021 pick, potentially does, so in terms of helping to compete right now, 2012 FRP in the deepest draft in a while >>>> 2014 FRP.

Also, you're making Winslow out to be a star player. He's an average starter at best who was just traded for 1 year of Iggy, which speaks volumes about his value. Salaries don't matter as the Warriors are capped out in the near future regardless.
Having Wiggins gives Warriors a 3rd scoring option which was lacking in the past couple of seasons, and also gives them a large contract that can be packaged with picks if a right player is available. Just keeping Iggy would have left Warriors with no options other than try to fill the roster with vet min guys.

Ummm..........

Uhhh.......


We kinda sorta maybe have had the third scoring option covered the last couple seasons with Klay Thompson. Or did you forget we had KD and Curry?

Obviously true, until he got hurt and Warriors became a two man team on offense hoping for 15 points from Iggy.

[og15]

I think there are people posting here that are misunderstanding Wiggins. His problem is being engaged and interested in the game. When he is, he's amazing. But getting him to maintain that has been the issue. It's not about having a PG, that's laughable. He takes plays, quarters, half's, games, and stretches of games off. Maybe the players on GS will hold him accountable. He's never had that in Minnesota.

Jimmy Butler? Though it seems like he got tired of that.

[a8bil]

I think there are people posting here that are misunderstanding Wiggins. His problem is being engaged and interested in the game. When he is, he's amazing. But getting him to maintain that has been the issue. It's not about having a PG, that's laughable.

I would also add that in the past, Wiggs has actually become even LESS engaged and interested in the game when he becomes 3rd option on the floor. The Wolves have had the most success with Wiggs when they force the ball through him. I highly doubt the Warriors are going to do that when Steph and Klay come back.

I think AW's role with GSW will be very different than the typical "3rd option" on most teams. The 3rd option in the GSW system has to be alert because the ball always can be coming his way. As an example, Wiggins has averaged a career 16.5 FGAs per game, and a peak 19 FGA. If you call Klay the 3rd option in the Durant years, he had 17.6, 18.0 and 16.2 FGAs over the 3 years KD was there. He'll have similar attempts to what he is used to, but with less attention. At least that's the theory.

[clyde21]

That's a ridiculous way of looking at this, unless you knew the future and could predict Steph's injury. It's also short sighted.

When the trade was made last year Steph wasn't hurt, Warriors were thought to be fighting for a playoff spot, and had a thin and aging roster. Myers rightly decided that getting a young asset was an improvement over a washed up Iggy. The roster badly needed an injection of talent while the window to challenge for a title is still open, and 2024 pick doesn't do that. 2021 pick, potentially does, so in terms of helping to compete right now, 2012 FRP in the deepest draft in a while >>>> 2014 FRP.

Also, you're making Winslow out to be a star player. He's an average starter at best who was just traded for 1 year of Iggy, which speaks volumes about his value. Salaries don't matter as the Warriors are capped out in the near future regardless.
Having Wiggins gives Warriors a 3rd scoring option which was lacking in the past couple of seasons, and also gives them a large contract that can be packaged with picks if a right player is available. Just keeping Iggy would have left Warriors with no options other than try to fill the roster with vet min guys.

Ummm..........

Uhhh.......


We kinda sorta maybe have had the third scoring option covered the last couple seasons with Klay Thompson. Or did you forget we had KD and Curry?

Obviously true, until he got hurt and Warriors became a two man team on offense hoping for 15 points from Iggy.

okay? that happens to everyone that has 1 of their top 3 scorers go down.

[mplsfonz23]

I think there are people posting here that are misunderstanding Wiggins. His problem is being engaged and interested in the game. When he is, he's amazing. But getting him to maintain that has been the issue. It's not about having a PG, that's laughable. He takes plays, quarters, half's, games, and stretches of games off. Maybe the players on GS will hold him accountable. He's never had that in Minnesota.

He's had people hold him accountable for 5 plus years.
Not just Butler, Rose, Gibson, Teague, Tolliver, Covington, Deng, Crawford, Thibs and several others.

Wiggins is just plain lazy. He needs to be yelled at EVERY game, or he reverts back to garbage D and coasting thru games.
He needs to hold HIMSELF accountable. Max contract guys shouldn't need to be motivated by vets, but by paychecks. He had a good game, and it appears like he had focus, and he did because everyone was waiting to see what he would do. Give him time, he will soon be playing like his old unmotivated self.
Problem is, Drew is a mentally weak person. You can yell all you want and soon he will just shut down.
Pretty sure they will be trying to ship him in less than a year.

[Quentin]

I think there are people posting here that are misunderstanding Wiggins. His problem is being engaged and interested in the game. When he is, he's amazing. But getting him to maintain that has been the issue. It's not about having a PG, that's laughable. He takes plays, quarters, half's, games, and stretches of games off. Maybe the players on GS will hold him accountable. He's never had that in Minnesota.

He's had people hold him accountable for 5 plus years.
Not just Butler, Rose, Gibson, Teague, Tolliver, Covington, Deng, Crawford, Thibs and several others.

Wiggins is just plain lazy. He needs to be yelled at EVERY game, or he reverts back to garbage D and coasting thru games.
He needs to hold HIMSELF accountable. Max contract guys shouldn't need to be motivated by vets, but by paychecks. He had a good game, and it appears like he had focus, and he did because everyone was waiting to see what he would do. Give him time, he will soon be playing like his old unmotivated self.
Problem is, Drew is a mentally weak person. You can yell all you want and soon he will just shut down.
Pretty sure they will be trying to ship him in less than a year.

I can see Butler holding him accountable. But how has anyone else? Examples? Maybe I missed something along the way.

I agree with you on the rest.

[Tim Reynolds]

That's a ridiculous way of looking at this, unless you knew the future and could predict Steph's injury. It's also short sighted.

When the trade was made last year Steph wasn't hurt, Warriors were thought to be fighting for a playoff spot, and had a thin and aging roster. Myers rightly decided that getting a young asset was an improvement over a washed up Iggy. The roster badly needed an injection of talent while the window to challenge for a title is still open, and 2024 pick doesn't do that. 2021 pick, potentially does, so in terms of helping to compete right now, 2012 FRP in the deepest draft in a while >>>> 2014 FRP.

Also, you're making Winslow out to be a star player. He's an average starter at best who was just traded for 1 year of Iggy, which speaks volumes about his value. Salaries don't matter as the Warriors are capped out in the near future regardless.
Having Wiggins gives Warriors a 3rd scoring option which was lacking in the past couple of seasons, and also gives them a large contract that can be packaged with picks if a right player is available. Just keeping Iggy would have left Warriors with no options other than try to fill the roster with vet min guys.

Ummm..........

Uhhh.......


We kinda sorta maybe have had the third scoring option covered the last couple seasons with Klay Thompson. Or did you forget we had KD and Curry?

Obviously true, until he got hurt and Warriors became a two man team on offense hoping for 15 points from Iggy.

You said that the Warriors lacked a third options the last couple seasons, not a playoff series or two.(Guessing that's what your referencing)

This is a pretty bad attempt to make your statement seem like it actually made sense. I agree with a lot of what else you said, just that statement stood out because it stood in such stark contrast to reality.

[mplsfonz23]

I think there are people posting here that are misunderstanding Wiggins. His problem is being engaged and interested in the game. When he is, he's amazing. But getting him to maintain that has been the issue. It's not about having a PG, that's laughable. He takes plays, quarters, half's, games, and stretches of games off. Maybe the players on GS will hold him accountable. He's never had that in Minnesota.

He's had people hold him accountable for 5 plus years.
Not just Butler, Rose, Gibson, Teague, Tolliver, Covington, Deng, Crawford, Thibs and several others.

Wiggins is just plain lazy. He needs to be yelled at EVERY game, or he reverts back to garbage D and coasting thru games.
He needs to hold HIMSELF accountable. Max contract guys shouldn't need to be motivated by vets, but by paychecks. He had a good game, and it appears like he had focus, and he did because everyone was waiting to see what he would do. Give him time, he will soon be playing like his old unmotivated self.
Problem is, Drew is a mentally weak person. You can yell all you want and soon he will just shut down.
Pretty sure they will be trying to ship him in less than a year.

I can see Butler holding him accountable. But how has anyone else? Examples? Maybe I missed something along the way.

I agree with you on the rest.

I remember Rose and Tolliver were always on him. And Gibson was always gushing about him in practice, saying he needs to bring it to the floor. RoCo this past year even tried. Either way, not sure how much you have seen of him, but you can tell his body language is just poor. He never hustles back, and generally looks disinterested in the game. Even with the ball in his hands.
But even still, after being in the league for 6 years, you should be able to hold yourself accountable.
Example, how many times has KAT said something like "this lose is on me" or "I need to play better, harder."
I NEVER heard Standrew say that.

[Domejandro]

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Wiggins should bring the crowd to their feet . TWolves had both Wiggins and Lavine???!!!???!!!

He hasn’t had many impressive dunks in like three or four seasons. That is the weirdest regression I’ve seen out of him.

[low]

I think there are people posting here that are misunderstanding Wiggins. His problem is being engaged and interested in the game. When he is, he's amazing. But getting him to maintain that has been the issue. It's not about having a PG, that's laughable. He takes plays, quarters, half's, games, and stretches of games off. Maybe the players on GS will hold him accountable. He's never had that in Minnesota.

He's had people hold him accountable for 5 plus years.
Not just Butler, Rose, Gibson, Teague, Tolliver, Covington, Deng, Crawford, Thibs and several others.

Wiggins is just plain lazy. He needs to be yelled at EVERY game, or he reverts back to garbage D and coasting thru games.
He needs to hold HIMSELF accountable. Max contract guys shouldn't need to be motivated by vets, but by paychecks. He had a good game, and it appears like he had focus, and he did because everyone was waiting to see what he would do. Give him time, he will soon be playing like his old unmotivated self.
Problem is, Drew is a mentally weak person. You can yell all you want and soon he will just shut down.
Pretty sure they will be trying to ship him in less than a year.

I can see Butler holding him accountable. But how has anyone else? Examples? Maybe I missed something along the way.

I agree with you on the rest.

No doubt, the Warriors will be better on the accountability front. But you kind of miss points about AW. All the Bulter stuff did was intimidate Wiggins. He is a soft player. Part of the defensive plan by teams is to play Wiggins very physical. Wiggins wont match this style of play. The other problem is his basketball handles are poor. Teams poke at the ball and frequently strip him of it. When this happens Wiggins is reduced to spot up jump shots, which he really isnt very good at.


Just wait till the Warriors are down by 10 points or so and its time to really focus and Wiggins has a huge smile on his face. Thats Andrew Wiggins.

There were reports out of the locker room when Butler was here of laughter in the locker room after losses, and this annoyed Butler to no end.

[whatisacenter]

The Warriors are betting on themselves to get the best out of Wiggins and they have a pretty good track record of doing so. This season Chriss is remaking himself, GR3 and Burks were having their best seasons. In the past they took JaVale who was a punchline and won titles with him. Now on the other hand, they couldn’t get through to Nick Young in the past and couldn’t get DLo to care about defense this year. Wiggins has to want it for himself but he will never have a better chance to change the league’s impression of him.

[tmorgan]

That's why I LIKE this deal for Golden State. It's risky. They need to take some risks to try and squeeze another title out of their core.

It's pretty clear Draymond is past his peak. Hopefully Steph is not, but it won't be long. Klay seems fine, but he's always been a fit-in kind of guy and his game should age pretty well. Those three, in their current states, are likely no longer good enough to win a title without help.

So what do you do? Take a risk on Wiggins being a fit AND stockpile a good pick -- seriously, what are the odds that isn't a lottery selection? You hedge a little with the pick, and you also go hard for a ring next year.

I like it. A lot. Although I do think there's a pretty good chance Wiggins will be a disaster.