2020 Offseason Speculation, free agency, summer trades (keep draft prospect talk in draft thread)

[Desertfox]

That is two games for a rookie backup PG.Can he turn into that PG? Perhaps, but he is not it right now and most likely will not be it next year either.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

That is two games for a rookie backup PG.Can he turn into that PG? Perhaps, but he is not it right now and most likely will not be it next year either.

If you want to go after Trey Burke as an insurance policy, that's fine with me if you can find a landing spot for Carter or Okobo. But I'm not interested in a significant investment in a backup 1 before we address our more obviously open spots at the 4, 5 and 2. Carter has proven situationally useful. Okobo has shown a lot of growth and plays solid defense. We've at least been able to FIELD 1's during almost every minute of play this season, which is something you can't say about our 5, 4 or 2 slot.

Jerome looked terrific at times but sat out much of the year - like a lot of rookies do, actually. Anyone can be injured. It was Ty Jerome this year. Maybe next year it will be Ish Smith or DJ Augustin. Who knows what it will be next year. What I do know is that I can't acquire DJ Augustin by any practical means, or Ish unless I'm willing to sacrifice something to Washington.

[Desertfox]

Well I wasn't talking about a backup 1, I'm saying we still don't have a starter level 1. Rubio is great at what he does, but he is not the PG we need in the starting lineup and that's where JJ failed. Anyone could have gotten any PG, but the GM of a NBA team should be able to get the right one, and he failed to do so.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Well I wasn't talking about a backup 1, I'm saying we still don't have a starter level 1. Rubio is great at what he does, but he is not the PG we need in the starting lineup and that's where JJ failed. Anyone could have gotten any PG, but the GM of a NBA team should be able to get the right one, and he failed to do so.

I too would like a better shooter but I'm not that perfect guy was available. The top 3 things they needed were distribution, shooting, and D. Ricky has the distribution and D. Who was available that checked all three boxes? A Conley trade maybe comes close but he's struggled some this year and would have cost a 1st round pick plus cap space.

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[Saberestar]

Well I wasn't talking about a backup 1, I'm saying we still don't have a starter level 1. Rubio is great at what he does, but he is not the PG we need in the starting lineup and that's where JJ failed. Anyone could have gotten any PG, but the GM of a NBA team should be able to get the right one, and he failed to do so.

I too would like a better shooter but I'm not that perfect guy was available. The top 3 things they needed were distribution, shooting, and D. Ricky has the distribution and D. Who was available that checked all three boxes? A Conley trade maybe comes close but he's struggled some this year and would have cost a 1st round pick plus cap space.

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Malcolm Brogdon.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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[jcsunsfan]

I like Christian Wood. Always thought he was a prospect with potential. Also like Kyle Guy. That kid is cold blooded. He has no self-doubt. He also has skills.

[Kerrsed]

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[bwgood77]

Christian Wood got 17 and 11 with 2 blocks and 2 assists, shooting 3-7 from 3, in his last game against the Knicks. 27 and 12 with 5 assists, shooting 3-6 from 3, in the previous game vs OKC. And of course you know what he did to us when we put Bridges on him.

I don't think there's any problem starting Bridges and Oubre next season, but great 4's can still do a lot of damage in this league. Whether you start him or bring him off the bench, Wood would really help us.

Detroit has even more cap space this summer than we do. If we pounce quickly with a significant offer, though, we might be able to grab him, especially if DET has other priorities in free agency.

Right now I'm just looking for a Plan B for FA priority and I'm not settled on any yet. Kinda hope that we don't end up with one of Gallinari or Millsap.

I liked Wood when we had him and we should have held on to him, but oh well. My point is with screens, any player can get the switch they want. I would rather have a guy who can switch quickly and do a decent job on a player, than have a big who is slower, and can't get out on the perimeter shooters.

I mean, I agree that your bigs need to be able to switch, but you need guys who can switch onto bigs as well (in other words, you still need bigs). I thought Dario played decent defense for us much of the season, but he's not a game changer on that end, and his offense has been downright anemic. Baynes has been... out. Certainly a downgrade from Richaun Holmes, in terms of what he's given us on the court.

We clearly need to add another rotation big, and one who could play either the 4 (next to Ayton) or 5 (in his absence) would be ideal. But it's one thing to know what you need, it's another thing to identify practical options who would satisfy your criteria. Last year, several of us ID'd Brandon Clarke as the best option for what our team lacked. This year, we seem to be coalescing around Wood and to a lesser extent, Bender. Two agile bigs who can shoot the 3. I'm not sure we disagree, but I won't be able to tell unless you offer a contrary suggestion.

I'm unsure on Wood. This is by far his best year, at least shooting wise. I'm not sure if you can extrapolate his per 36 #s but maybe. He could be a decent guy if you could get him for relatively cheap but unsure about him. Not that there are many options. I'd love to get Millsap and then get a difference maker in the draft (like Brandon Clarke). Maybe Achuiwa or Reed, or one of the other guys I've mentioned in the draft thread in more detail so we'd have a guy on a rookie contract along with Millsap, who is a great defender and shooter, who plays the right way and has a lot of experience. That would help elevate us more next year than someone like Wood.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Well I wasn't talking about a backup 1, I'm saying we still don't have a starter level 1. Rubio is great at what he does, but he is not the PG we need in the starting lineup and that's where JJ failed. Anyone could have gotten any PG, but the GM of a NBA team should be able to get the right one, and he failed to do so.

I too would like a better shooter but I'm not that perfect guy was available. The top 3 things they needed were distribution, shooting, and D. Ricky has the distribution and D. Who was available that checked all three boxes? A Conley trade maybe comes close but he's struggled some this year and would have cost a 1st round pick plus cap space.

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Malcolm Brogdon.

Sure and I was a big fan of Brogdon. Now one slight critique with Malcolm is he's much better defensively guarding 2s and even 3s, when guarding 1s his lack of foot speed shows. After a scorching hot start with Indi he's come back to earth and injuries have hit and that's definitely a concern moving forward.

But all in all I would have loved to grab Brogdon but would have cost them a future 1st.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I liked Wood when we had him and we should have held on to him, but oh well. My point is with screens, any player can get the switch they want. I would rather have a guy who can switch quickly and do a decent job on a player, than have a big who is slower, and can't get out on the perimeter shooters.

I mean, I agree that your bigs need to be able to switch, but you need guys who can switch onto bigs as well (in other words, you still need bigs). I thought Dario played decent defense for us much of the season, but he's not a game changer on that end, and his offense has been downright anemic. Baynes has been... out. Certainly a downgrade from Richaun Holmes, in terms of what he's given us on the court.

We clearly need to add another rotation big, and one who could play either the 4 (next to Ayton) or 5 (in his absence) would be ideal. But it's one thing to know what you need, it's another thing to identify practical options who would satisfy your criteria. Last year, several of us ID'd Brandon Clarke as the best option for what our team lacked. This year, we seem to be coalescing around Wood and to a lesser extent, Bender. Two agile bigs who can shoot the 3. I'm not sure we disagree, but I won't be able to tell unless you offer a contrary suggestion.

I'm unsure on Wood. This is by far his best year, at least shooting wise. I'm not sure if you can extrapolate his per 36 #s but maybe. He could be a decent guy if you could get him for relatively cheap but unsure about him. Not that there are many options. I'd love to get Millsap and then get a difference maker in the draft (like Brandon Clarke). Maybe Achuiwa or Reed, or one of the other guys I've mentioned in the draft thread in more detail so we'd have a guy on a rookie contract along with Millsap, who is a great defender and shooter, who plays the right way and has a lot of experience. That would help elevate us more next year than someone like Wood.

Think Millsap would do a one year for all our cap space? Me neither. I'm sure he wants years, and the starting spot, and I don't think I want to do that. We'll see.

I have a friend who really likes Achiuwa. I'll give him another look at your recommendation.

[Saberestar]

I liked Wood when we had him and we should have held on to him, but oh well. My point is with screens, any player can get the switch they want. I would rather have a guy who can switch quickly and do a decent job on a player, than have a big who is slower, and can't get out on the perimeter shooters.

I mean, I agree that your bigs need to be able to switch, but you need guys who can switch onto bigs as well (in other words, you still need bigs). I thought Dario played decent defense for us much of the season, but he's not a game changer on that end, and his offense has been downright anemic. Baynes has been... out. Certainly a downgrade from Richaun Holmes, in terms of what he's given us on the court.

We clearly need to add another rotation big, and one who could play either the 4 (next to Ayton) or 5 (in his absence) would be ideal. But it's one thing to know what you need, it's another thing to identify practical options who would satisfy your criteria. Last year, several of us ID'd Brandon Clarke as the best option for what our team lacked. This year, we seem to be coalescing around Wood and to a lesser extent, Bender. Two agile bigs who can shoot the 3. I'm not sure we disagree, but I won't be able to tell unless you offer a contrary suggestion.

I'm unsure on Wood. This is by far his best year, at least shooting wise. I'm not sure if you can extrapolate his per 36 #s but maybe. He could be a decent guy if you could get him for relatively cheap but unsure about him. Not that there are many options. I'd love to get Millsap and then get a difference maker in the draft (like Brandon Clarke). Maybe Achuiwa or Reed, or one of the other guys I've mentioned in the draft thread in more detail so we'd have a guy on a rookie contract along with Millsap, who is a great defender and shooter, who plays the right way and has a lot of experience. That would help elevate us more next year than someone like Wood.

Millsap is gonna sign with a contender. He is 35 and probably next year is his last year in the league, usually these veterans play for a ring.

[Saberestar]

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He said something interesting? I am too lazy to hear the full interview.

[BobbieL]

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He said something interesting? I am too lazy to hear the full interview.

I saw a bit of it
Doug is an idiot
thats all I got from the interview

Doug thinks that because Tyler was an expiring he should have been traded because … well . because he was expiring there had to be value in Tyler Effing Johnson...

[Fo-Real]

Wasn't he on our summer league team a few years ago?

Seems that way. Completely escaped my memory. I tend to block out summer league the minute it's over

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Just checked, 2017 summer league. Trying to find from stats from him, and found video from his Dleague game from 2017, 45 points, 15 boards, and 8 blocks.

I also remember guys saying to take Chriss out and put in Christian during that summer.

At the time our organization was terrible at developing young talent!!

[bwgood77]

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Only about halfway through, but I found it interesting that he would say "As much as we love Kelly, other teams love him more."

[bwgood77]

I mean, I agree that your bigs need to be able to switch, but you need guys who can switch onto bigs as well (in other words, you still need bigs). I thought Dario played decent defense for us much of the season, but he's not a game changer on that end, and his offense has been downright anemic. Baynes has been... out. Certainly a downgrade from Richaun Holmes, in terms of what he's given us on the court.

We clearly need to add another rotation big, and one who could play either the 4 (next to Ayton) or 5 (in his absence) would be ideal. But it's one thing to know what you need, it's another thing to identify practical options who would satisfy your criteria. Last year, several of us ID'd Brandon Clarke as the best option for what our team lacked. This year, we seem to be coalescing around Wood and to a lesser extent, Bender. Two agile bigs who can shoot the 3. I'm not sure we disagree, but I won't be able to tell unless you offer a contrary suggestion.

I'm unsure on Wood. This is by far his best year, at least shooting wise. I'm not sure if you can extrapolate his per 36 #s but maybe. He could be a decent guy if you could get him for relatively cheap but unsure about him. Not that there are many options. I'd love to get Millsap and then get a difference maker in the draft (like Brandon Clarke). Maybe Achuiwa or Reed, or one of the other guys I've mentioned in the draft thread in more detail so we'd have a guy on a rookie contract along with Millsap, who is a great defender and shooter, who plays the right way and has a lot of experience. That would help elevate us more next year than someone like Wood.

Think Millsap would do a one year for all our cap space? Me neither. I'm sure he wants years, and the starting spot, and I don't think I want to do that. We'll see.

I have a friend who really likes Achiuwa. I'll give him another look at your recommendation.

I don't know what he will do, but I know what type of guys our FO likes, guys that can play and have experience and leadership.

[bwgood77]

I mean, I agree that your bigs need to be able to switch, but you need guys who can switch onto bigs as well (in other words, you still need bigs). I thought Dario played decent defense for us much of the season, but he's not a game changer on that end, and his offense has been downright anemic. Baynes has been... out. Certainly a downgrade from Richaun Holmes, in terms of what he's given us on the court.

We clearly need to add another rotation big, and one who could play either the 4 (next to Ayton) or 5 (in his absence) would be ideal. But it's one thing to know what you need, it's another thing to identify practical options who would satisfy your criteria. Last year, several of us ID'd Brandon Clarke as the best option for what our team lacked. This year, we seem to be coalescing around Wood and to a lesser extent, Bender. Two agile bigs who can shoot the 3. I'm not sure we disagree, but I won't be able to tell unless you offer a contrary suggestion.

I'm unsure on Wood. This is by far his best year, at least shooting wise. I'm not sure if you can extrapolate his per 36 #s but maybe. He could be a decent guy if you could get him for relatively cheap but unsure about him. Not that there are many options. I'd love to get Millsap and then get a difference maker in the draft (like Brandon Clarke). Maybe Achuiwa or Reed, or one of the other guys I've mentioned in the draft thread in more detail so we'd have a guy on a rookie contract along with Millsap, who is a great defender and shooter, who plays the right way and has a lot of experience. That would help elevate us more next year than someone like Wood.

Millsap is gonna sign with a contender. He is 35 and probably next year is his last year in the league, usually these veterans play for a ring.

Perhaps, but none of them have cap space. They could do a S&T maybe with Denver, but they'd have to send salary back to Denver, and probably wouldn't want to send a very useful player. Millsap may just want money at the end of his career, however, he has made a lot of it. But unless I'm forgetting someone, I think he's by far the best FA available without a player option...Gallinari may be as valuable or more, depending on your need (he is a better shooter but far worse defender)...however, Gallinari has definitely already stated he wants to play for a contender.

[BobbieL]

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Only about halfway through, but I found it interesting that he would say "As much as we love Kelly, other teams love him more."

That is an interesting comment. Maybe he wants to rephrase that if he had a second chance.

But they didn't move him last week so they obviously have a value for his skill set. But that would also seem like they will be listening this summer with the thought they may not want to pay 90+/4 for Oubre

[Saberestar]

I'm unsure on Wood. This is by far his best year, at least shooting wise. I'm not sure if you can extrapolate his per 36 #s but maybe. He could be a decent guy if you could get him for relatively cheap but unsure about him. Not that there are many options. I'd love to get Millsap and then get a difference maker in the draft (like Brandon Clarke). Maybe Achuiwa or Reed, or one of the other guys I've mentioned in the draft thread in more detail so we'd have a guy on a rookie contract along with Millsap, who is a great defender and shooter, who plays the right way and has a lot of experience. That would help elevate us more next year than someone like Wood.

Millsap is gonna sign with a contender. He is 35 and probably next year is his last year in the league, usually these veterans play for a ring.

Perhaps, but none of them have cap space. They could do a S&T maybe with Denver, but they'd have to send salary back to Denver, and probably wouldn't want to send a very useful player. Millsap may just want money at the end of his career, however, he has made a lot of it. But unless I'm forgetting someone, I think he's by far the best FA available without a player option...Gallinari may be as valuable or more, depending on your need (he is a better shooter but far worse defender)...however, Gallinari has definitely already stated he wants to play for a contender.

Millsap is not getting more than the Mid-level exception (around $10M) next season. So I think a good amount of playoff teams can offer him that.

He is a backup now and I can't imagine any team trusting him to be the full time starter being 36 years old during next season. This season he is playing just 24.7 minutes per game, no way he plays more than that in the future.