2020 NBA Draft

[Marcus]

So what you're saying is you're with me about Markus Howard being a 1st round pick then...

In all seriousness Im with you on this though. But you're always going to have GMs thinking they have the training staff to take that raw long athlete and turn him into the next Giannis. I wont lie, I agree with you 100% and I still find myself favoring the raw athlete many times. Its that damn "potential" that can be too intriguing sometimes. Even though high end 3pt shooting might be the best kind of potential there is.

most of the time they're business men end of the day and you don't reach that level of success in business without taking gambles. When the payoff is a Giannis type super lotto hit compared to a Brogdon type steady 9-5 you take that shot. That mindset will always exist.

as it should, depending on how high you're picking. if you're picking high a best case scenario of a Malcolm Brogdon doesn't really move the needle for u...the only thing that really moves the needle is getting that star.

that's the key to this whole logic right there. near the top you obviously swing for the fences. the deeper in the draft you get if your situation is still dire at what point do you weigh ready against potential is where the conversation gets interesting.

[doordoor123]

So what you're saying is you're with me about Markus Howard being a 1st round pick then...

In all seriousness Im with you on this though. But you're always going to have GMs thinking they have the training staff to take that raw long athlete and turn him into the next Giannis. I wont lie, I agree with you 100% and I still find myself favoring the raw athlete many times. Its that damn "potential" that can be too intriguing sometimes. Even though high end 3pt shooting might be the best kind of potential there is.

most of the time they're business men end of the day and you don't reach that level of success in business without taking gambles. When the payoff is a Giannis type super lotto hit compared to a Brogdon type steady 9-5 you take that shot. That mindset will always exist.

as it should, depending on how high you're picking. if you're picking high a best case scenario of a Malcolm Brogdon doesn't really move the needle for u...the only thing that really moves the needle is getting that star.

Except no one is taking these guys high anymore. Every year these guys trend lower in the draft. Guys like Nassir Little went way down. Teams don’t want to wait for Malcolm Brogdon to fall.

[clyde21]

most of the time they're business men end of the day and you don't reach that level of success in business without taking gambles. When the payoff is a Giannis type super lotto hit compared to a Brogdon type steady 9-5 you take that shot. That mindset will always exist.

as it should, depending on how high you're picking. if you're picking high a best case scenario of a Malcolm Brogdon doesn't really move the needle for u...the only thing that really moves the needle is getting that star.

Except no one is taking these guys high anymore. Every year these guys trend lower in the draft. Guys like Nassir Little went way down. Teams don’t want to wait for Malcolm Brogdon to fall.

Cam Reddish just went 10th overall despite having a complete crappy year, Cole Anthony is gonna go top10 after posting a whopping 48 TS% in college, Deandre Ayton went #1 overall based a lot on raw potential (dude got wrecked in the tourney), etc. etc.

it all depends on the player, team, and year, there are no universal rules, but if you're picking in the top 5 or 10, usually you should be looking for a star, not a role player.

[Ruzious]

And a role player I like that's gotten mostly ignored on mocks is Xavier Tillman. Not a big scorer, but he fills up the boxscore - including assists - and does the little things like setting bone-crushing picks. There's some Draymond Green to his game (plusses and minuses) and his build - he's a moose.

[azcatz11]

Are you guys higher on Tre Jones as a prospect or were you higher on his bro?

[Stillwater]

What do you guys think about Devin Vassell? I hear about him more and more nowadays?

I really like him as a 3nD prospect he’s somewhere in the lottery for me right now

20 years old with Good size and length (6’7 with a plus wingspan) but a little thin right now (listed at 195)

Has nice fluid mechanics and a nice high release point

Showed some improvement shooting off the dribble and playing on ball this season and is just a generally smart player off ball

On top of that he’s a fantastic defender especially off ball where he’s already making quick high level reads fairly consistently.

If he can continues to shoot well he’s a great piece to a winning team as a 3nD wing.

I like his 2way game but he's not 6'7 dude not a chance

[HeadtopChunes]

What do you guys think about Devin Vassell? I hear about him more and more nowadays?

I really like him as a 3nD prospect he’s somewhere in the lottery for me right now

20 years old with Good size and length (6’7 with a plus wingspan) but a little thin right now (listed at 195)

Has nice fluid mechanics and a nice high release point

Showed some improvement shooting off the dribble and playing on ball this season and is just a generally smart player off ball

On top of that he’s a fantastic defender especially off ball where he’s already making quick high level reads fairly consistently.

If he can continues to shoot well he’s a great piece to a winning team as a 3nD wing.

I like his 2way game but he's not 6'7 dude not a chance

I got that measurement from Tankathon

Seen him listed at 6’6 and 6’7 not sure which the right number

[Stillwater]

I really like him as a 3nD prospect he’s somewhere in the lottery for me right now

20 years old with Good size and length (6’7 with a plus wingspan) but a little thin right now (listed at 195)

Has nice fluid mechanics and a nice high release point

Showed some improvement shooting off the dribble and playing on ball this season and is just a generally smart player off ball

On top of that he’s a fantastic defender especially off ball where he’s already making quick high level reads fairly consistently.

If he can continues to shoot well he’s a great piece to a winning team as a 3nD wing.

I like his 2way game but he's not 6'7 dude not a chance

I got that measurement from Tankathon

Seen him listed at 6’6 and 6’7 not sure which the right number

6'5 max imo with shoes

[HeadtopChunes]

I like his 2way game but he's not 6'7 dude not a chance

I got that measurement from Tankathon

Seen him listed at 6’6 and 6’7 not sure which the right number

6'5 max imo with shoes

i think thats lowballing it a little

6'6 seems about right

well def know at the combine though

[Stillwater]

I bet he's 6'3.5 wo shoes but I guess he might still be growing since last season

[King Ken]

Are you guys higher on Tre Jones as a prospect or were you higher on his bro?

As a freshman, Tyus.
Now, Tre and by a mile. Tyus shouldn't have been a 1st rounder

[King Ken]

as it should, depending on how high you're picking. if you're picking high a best case scenario of a Malcolm Brogdon doesn't really move the needle for u...the only thing that really moves the needle is getting that star.

Except no one is taking these guys high anymore. Every year these guys trend lower in the draft. Guys like Nassir Little went way down. Teams don’t want to wait for Malcolm Brogdon to fall.

Cam Reddish just went 10th overall despite having a complete crappy year, Cole Anthony is gonna go top10 after posting a whopping 48 TS% in college, Deandre Ayton went #1 overall based a lot on raw potential (dude got wrecked in the tourney), etc. etc.

it all depends on the player, team, and year, there are no universal rules, but if you're picking in the top 5 or 10, usually you should be looking for a star, not a role player.

Cam Reddish was miscast at Duke.
Cole Anthony suffered the same faith but worse. He choose the wrong school.
I would say Ben Simmons was miscast and choose the wrong school too

[clyde21]

how high would Wiseman/LaMelo/Edwards go in last year's draft?

not asking where u guys would rank them more so where do you think they would get drafted...after Zion/Ja?

[EMG518]

What is the consensus on Tyrese Haliburton?, he looks like he has all star potential if his shooting translates.

[jpatrick]

What is the consensus on Tyrese Haliburton?, he looks like he has all star potential if his shooting translates.

I’ve seen a couple of his games. What terrifies me more than his shot form, which may or may not translate is his lack of free show attempts. In nearly 70% of his games he has gone to the line 2 or less times and in 1/3 of the games he has gone zero times. How is that even possible for someone that has the ball in his hands so much of the game?

[Duke4life831]

Are you guys higher on Tre Jones as a prospect or were you higher on his bro?

Tyus. Tyus was far ahead on the offensive end and while Tre is far ahead on the defensive end at the same stage, I think with Tre's lack of size limits his defensive impact. Love them both, but ya liked Tyus better coming out of Duke and I would still take Tyus over Tre at this moment. I think its going to take awhile for Tre to get any kind of consistent minutes at the NBA level with the distance of the NBA 3.

[Duke4life831]

how high would Wiseman/LaMelo/Edwards go in last year's draft?

not asking where u guys would rank them more so where do you think they would get drafted...after Zion/Ja?

I honestly think the first real question is LaMelo vs RJ for NY. Not sure if the media push of LaMelo in NY would be enough for him to go before RJ. But my guess for the top 5 would be something along the lines of

1. Zion
2. Ja
3. RJ
4. Wiseman (ATL gets their big they were looking for)
5. LaMelo (I think the LaMelo hype is big enough that CLE takes him over Garland or Edwards)

[HeadtopChunes]

What is the consensus on Tyrese Haliburton?, he looks like he has all star potential if his shooting translates.

the consensus is while he does a lot of things well his game doesn't really have an element of high usage that star guards need.

a high-end starter is probably what you're looking for when drafting him. Like a George Hill level

[TB]

how high would Wiseman/LaMelo/Edwards go in last year's draft?

not asking where u guys would rank them more so where do you think they would get drafted...after Zion/Ja?

I think all 3 would have been in the mix with RJ for the 3rd pick. In fact i think all 4 of those players would go next, before Hunter, Garland, Culver, White, Hayes, etc.

For all the hate on this upcoming draft, its likely better overall than last year... just without 2 superstars like Zion/Ja.

[clyde21]

What is the consensus on Tyrese Haliburton?, he looks like he has all star potential if his shooting translates.

the consensus is while he does a lot of things well his game doesn't really have an element of high usage that star guards need.

a high-end starter is probably what you're looking for when drafting him. Like a George Hill level

the fact that he can contribute both ways as a low usage guy is why he's so intriguing, it caps his ceiling, but it also makes him a very valuable piece.