Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins

[SecondTake]

I'm just looking for Wiggins to follow a few simple rules.

With Steph and Klay out there on offense, I don't need him isoing and taking contested shots. Those are bad shots when you have Steph or Klay to take them otherwise. Open looks and an occasional end of shot clock need to iso is fine.

But the Warriors run a ball movement system. Hearing lots of talk about the point guard making Anrew accountable. Actually all he has to do is run the break, catch lobs, back door cuts, cuts and drive into the lane with kick outs or finishes, and then of course take the open shots. And or course move the ball. Everyone touches the ball on the Warriors, so there literally no need to feel the weight of the entire offense on his shoulders.

On defense he needs to merely buy into the defensive scheme. This will be the biggest issue. He must learn the rotations or Draymond will light him up. Draymond will help him these next 30 games to know where to be. But next season if Anrew isn't getting it, or being to lazy to rotate properly, then things may sour.

The good thing about the Warriors staff, is that you have Ron Adams, their defensive guru who will be working with him off the court. Also up and coming coach Jarron Collins will help him with next game defensive matchups and assignments. Then you have Kerr, who's a really good communicator, who will hold him accountable. Finally Draymond on the floor.

So don't force on offense, and follow the game plan on defense. Do that with effort and I'm cool.

lol, what are you smoking? You don't give Wiggins the rules, he gives YOU the rules. You sign a superstar to be the face of your franchise and then you gonna tell him what to do? Hell no. Here's what's going to happen. Wiggins is going to do whatever the hell he wants because that's what happens when you sign superstars in their primes. And the team is going to have to figure out how to build around him and install a system that plays to his strengths. The team does that and maybe Wiggins doesn't walk when his contract expires and gives you a couple of rings in return. How about that.

[azwfan]

I don't like the whole... "He didn't do well on that team, but since we're better he'll do better on ours". That said, publicly the Warriors aren't going to say how much he stinks when they just acquired the guy. They obviously want him to do well. Just like they didn't talk about how terrible D'lo's defensive effort was.

[Onus]

I'm just looking for Wiggins to follow a few simple rules.

With Steph and Klay out there on offense, I don't need him isoing and taking contested shots. Those are bad shots when you have Steph or Klay to take them otherwise. Open looks and an occasional end of shot clock need to iso is fine.

But the Warriors run a ball movement system. Hearing lots of talk about the point guard making Anrew accountable. Actually all he has to do is run the break, catch lobs, back door cuts, cuts and drive into the lane with kick outs or finishes, and then of course take the open shots. And or course move the ball. Everyone touches the ball on the Warriors, so there literally no need to feel the weight of the entire offense on his shoulders.

On defense he needs to merely buy into the defensive scheme. This will be the biggest issue. He must learn the rotations or Draymond will light him up. Draymond will help him these next 30 games to know where to be. But next season if Anrew isn't getting it, or being to lazy to rotate properly, then things may sour.

The good thing about the Warriors staff, is that you have Ron Adams, their defensive guru who will be working with him off the court. Also up and coming coach Jarron Collins will help him with next game defensive matchups and assignments. Then you have Kerr, who's a really good communicator, who will hold him accountable. Finally Draymond on the floor.

So don't force on offense, and follow the game plan on defense. Do that with effort and I'm cool.

lol, what are you smoking? You don't give Wiggins the rules, he gives YOU the rules. You sign a superstar to be the face of your franchise and then you gonna tell him what to do? Hell no. Here's what's going to happen. Wiggins is going to do whatever the hell he wants because that's what happens when you sign superstars in their primes. And the team is going to have to figure out how to build around him and install a system that plays to his strengths. The team does that and maybe Wiggins doesn't walk when his contract expires and gives you a couple of rings in return. How about that.

Lmao Wiggins is not the warriors franchise. We barely even announced his arrival.

[510TWSS]

I'm just looking for Wiggins to follow a few simple rules.

With Steph and Klay out there on offense, I don't need him isoing and taking contested shots. Those are bad shots when you have Steph or Klay to take them otherwise. Open looks and an occasional end of shot clock need to iso is fine.

But the Warriors run a ball movement system. Hearing lots of talk about the point guard making Anrew accountable. Actually all he has to do is run the break, catch lobs, back door cuts, cuts and drive into the lane with kick outs or finishes, and then of course take the open shots. And or course move the ball. Everyone touches the ball on the Warriors, so there literally no need to feel the weight of the entire offense on his shoulders.

On defense he needs to merely buy into the defensive scheme. This will be the biggest issue. He must learn the rotations or Draymond will light him up. Draymond will help him these next 30 games to know where to be. But next season if Anrew isn't getting it, or being to lazy to rotate properly, then things may sour.

The good thing about the Warriors staff, is that you have Ron Adams, their defensive guru who will be working with him off the court. Also up and coming coach Jarron Collins will help him with next game defensive matchups and assignments. Then you have Kerr, who's a really good communicator, who will hold him accountable. Finally Draymond on the floor.

So don't force on offense, and follow the game plan on defense. Do that with effort and I'm cool.

lol, what are you smoking? You don't give Wiggins the rules, he gives YOU the rules. You sign a superstar to be the face of your franchise and then you gonna tell him what to do? Hell no. Here's what's going to happen. Wiggins is going to do whatever the hell he wants because that's what happens when you sign superstars in their primes. And the team is going to have to figure out how to build around him and install a system that plays to his strengths. The team does that and maybe Wiggins doesn't walk when his contract expires and gives you a couple of rings in return. How about that.

Lmao Wiggins is not the warriors franchise. We barely even announced his arrival.

Tbf this poster might be living in an alternate universe considering they think we signed wiggs

[xdrta+]

I'm just looking for Wiggins to follow a few simple rules.

With Steph and Klay out there on offense, I don't need him isoing and taking contested shots. Those are bad shots when you have Steph or Klay to take them otherwise. Open looks and an occasional end of shot clock need to iso is fine.

But the Warriors run a ball movement system. Hearing lots of talk about the point guard making Anrew accountable. Actually all he has to do is run the break, catch lobs, back door cuts, cuts and drive into the lane with kick outs or finishes, and then of course take the open shots. And or course move the ball. Everyone touches the ball on the Warriors, so there literally no need to feel the weight of the entire offense on his shoulders.

On defense he needs to merely buy into the defensive scheme. This will be the biggest issue. He must learn the rotations or Draymond will light him up. Draymond will help him these next 30 games to know where to be. But next season if Anrew isn't getting it, or being to lazy to rotate properly, then things may sour.

The good thing about the Warriors staff, is that you have Ron Adams, their defensive guru who will be working with him off the court. Also up and coming coach Jarron Collins will help him with next game defensive matchups and assignments. Then you have Kerr, who's a really good communicator, who will hold him accountable. Finally Draymond on the floor.

So don't force on offense, and follow the game plan on defense. Do that with effort and I'm cool.

lol, what are you smoking? You don't give Wiggins the rules, he gives YOU the rules. You sign a superstar to be the face of your franchise and then you gonna tell him what to do? Hell no. Here's what's going to happen. Wiggins is going to do whatever the hell he wants because that's what happens when you sign superstars in their primes. And the team is going to have to figure out how to build around him and install a system that plays to his strengths. The team does that and maybe Wiggins doesn't walk when his contract expires and gives you a couple of rings in return. How about that.

You don't really understand the Warriors, do you?

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I'm just looking for Wiggins to follow a few simple rules.

With Steph and Klay out there on offense, I don't need him isoing and taking contested shots. Those are bad shots when you have Steph or Klay to take them otherwise. Open looks and an occasional end of shot clock need to iso is fine.

But the Warriors run a ball movement system. Hearing lots of talk about the point guard making Anrew accountable. Actually all he has to do is run the break, catch lobs, back door cuts, cuts and drive into the lane with kick outs or finishes, and then of course take the open shots. And or course move the ball. Everyone touches the ball on the Warriors, so there literally no need to feel the weight of the entire offense on his shoulders.

On defense he needs to merely buy into the defensive scheme. This will be the biggest issue. He must learn the rotations or Draymond will light him up. Draymond will help him these next 30 games to know where to be. But next season if Anrew isn't getting it, or being to lazy to rotate properly, then things may sour.

The good thing about the Warriors staff, is that you have Ron Adams, their defensive guru who will be working with him off the court. Also up and coming coach Jarron Collins will help him with next game defensive matchups and assignments. Then you have Kerr, who's a really good communicator, who will hold him accountable. Finally Draymond on the floor.

So don't force on offense, and follow the game plan on defense. Do that with effort and I'm cool.

lol, what are you smoking? You don't give Wiggins the rules, he gives YOU the rules. You sign a superstar to be the face of your franchise and then you gonna tell him what to do? Hell no. Here's what's going to happen. Wiggins is going to do whatever the hell he wants because that's what happens when you sign superstars in their primes. And the team is going to have to figure out how to build around him and install a system that plays to his strengths. The team does that and maybe Wiggins doesn't walk when his contract expires and gives you a couple of rings in return. How about that.

This post and this post alone has made me a huge SecondTake fan. I need to give your other work some serious reconsideration.

[packforfreedom]

another problem with Wiggins besides his well known weaknesses (lack of ball handling, court awareness, motor, team defense, shot consistency and selection), is that he doesn't respond well to pressure. Some people increase their effort and focus when they are yelled at, some do the opposite. Wiggins is clearly the latter (so am I btw so I can relate). People think Draymond Green holding Wiggins 'accountable', will be a good thing, well I'd say the opposite is true.

[Zvaart]

I'm just looking for Wiggins to follow a few simple rules.

With Steph and Klay out there on offense, I don't need him isoing and taking contested shots. Those are bad shots when you have Steph or Klay to take them otherwise. Open looks and an occasional end of shot clock need to iso is fine.

But the Warriors run a ball movement system. Hearing lots of talk about the point guard making Anrew accountable. Actually all he has to do is run the break, catch lobs, back door cuts, cuts and drive into the lane with kick outs or finishes, and then of course take the open shots. And or course move the ball. Everyone touches the ball on the Warriors, so there literally no need to feel the weight of the entire offense on his shoulders.

On defense he needs to merely buy into the defensive scheme. This will be the biggest issue. He must learn the rotations or Draymond will light him up. Draymond will help him these next 30 games to know where to be. But next season if Anrew isn't getting it, or being to lazy to rotate properly, then things may sour.

The good thing about the Warriors staff, is that you have Ron Adams, their defensive guru who will be working with him off the court. Also up and coming coach Jarron Collins will help him with next game defensive matchups and assignments. Then you have Kerr, who's a really good communicator, who will hold him accountable. Finally Draymond on the floor.

So don't force on offense, and follow the game plan on defense. Do that with effort and I'm cool.

lol, what are you smoking? You don't give Wiggins the rules, he gives YOU the rules. You sign a superstar to be the face of your franchise and then you gonna tell him what to do? Hell no. Here's what's going to happen. Wiggins is going to do whatever the hell he wants because that's what happens when you sign superstars in their primes. And the team is going to have to figure out how to build around him and install a system that plays to his strengths. The team does that and maybe Wiggins doesn't walk when his contract expires and gives you a couple of rings in return. How about that.

i think that take is dumb.

i mean the second one.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

The confusing thing about wiggins is that obviously those long iso contested twos he takes are completely terrible, yet he still takes them. Either he's stubborn/beligerant or the coaching he's had is awful and they're letting him do what he wants. I think this year he's taken a lot less long twos than in years past.

I was checking out his offensive/defensive RPM and his offensive RPM is slightly positive/ pretty neutral, but his defensive RPM (obviously) is pretty awful. If he could sacrifice some of his offensive game to become an average defender he'd grade out much higher in metrics like RPM.

Looked at another way if you refine wiggins offensive game to take slightly fewer bad shots, or improve his defense to become closer to that of an average player, I think you'd get way more benefit from the latter. Though the latter is probably harder to accomplish.

[mplsfonz23]

Unless you league pass the wolves are barely on TV. For those who do have it, I'm sure you are not watching the Wolves. (Even Wolves fans barely watch them.)

So Wiggins in a nut shell, at least during his six years here.
If you push him too hard you shake his confidence, and he shuts down the rest of the game.
He appears to show no interest in playing D.
After his man scores, he hangs his head and appears to be embarrassed and stunts the offense, instead of going after him and making him pay.
He settles for the mid range and doesn't go to the rim hard anymore because he's afraid he'll get fouled, and he has no confidence at the line. AT ALL.
He needs constant ball-washing, not accountability. Holding him accountable shuts him down.
The difference between his D and Towns D is, Towns gives effort, he's just not good at it. Wiggins gives little effort, and he's not good at it.
One thing that always stood out to me is, he never breaks a sweat. If Kerr can get him to "run hard" then maybe.

Overall, we got a sorely needed PG while shedding a guy we didn't want anymore. I think the X factor will be the draft pick we gave you. That could tilt the trade. Plus we made KAT happy. Now he's out of excuses.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Unless you league pass the wolves are barely on TV. For those who do have it, I'm sure you are not watching the Wolves. (Even Wolves fans barely watch them.)

So Wiggins in a nut shell, at least during his six years here.
If you push him too hard you shake his confidence, and he shuts down the rest of the game.
He appears to show no interest in playing D.
After his man scores, he hangs his head and appears to be embarrassed and stunts the offense, instead of going after him and making him pay.
He settles for the mid range and doesn't go to the rim hard anymore because he's afraid he'll get fouled, and he has no confidence at the line. AT ALL.
He needs constant ball-washing, not accountability. Holding him accountable shuts him down.
The difference between his D and Towns D is, Towns gives effort, he's just not good at it. Wiggins gives little effort, and he's not good at it.
One thing that always stood out to me is, he never breaks a sweat. If Kerr can get him to "run hard" then maybe.

Overall, we got a sorely needed PG while shedding a guy we didn't want anymore. I think the X factor will be the draft pick we gave you. That could tilt the trade. Plus we made KAT happy. Now he's out of excuses.

The thing about Wiggins is that he didn't actually kill the Wolves when he was on the floor. He just makes himself an easy target for a lot of the reasons you cite. The Wolves were actually better off when he was on the floor than on the bench. RAPM doesn't hate Wiggins the same way it hates Russell. Not that a one-game sample size means anything at all but last night against the Raptors was relatively representative of the Russell experience; he puts up relatively efficient numbers and passes the eye test as a player who's at least pretty good but somehow the team just gets burned while he's on the floor. It's sort of the opposite of Wiggins who largely doesn't pass that eye test but the results come out differently. I think the Wolves are going to regret this trade, not because Wiggins is amazing, but because Russell isn't amazing, either and they gave up a pick to make a swap that doesn't actually help them.

[RiRuHoops]

Unless you league pass the wolves are barely on TV. For those who do have it, I'm sure you are not watching the Wolves. (Even Wolves fans barely watch them.)

So Wiggins in a nut shell, at least during his six years here.
If you push him too hard you shake his confidence, and he shuts down the rest of the game.
He appears to show no interest in playing D.
After his man scores, he hangs his head and appears to be embarrassed and stunts the offense, instead of going after him and making him pay.
He settles for the mid range and doesn't go to the rim hard anymore because he's afraid he'll get fouled, and he has no confidence at the line. AT ALL.
He needs constant ball-washing, not accountability. Holding him accountable shuts him down.
The difference between his D and Towns D is, Towns gives effort, he's just not good at it. Wiggins gives little effort, and he's not good at it.
One thing that always stood out to me is, he never breaks a sweat. If Kerr can get him to "run hard" then maybe.

Overall, we got a sorely needed PG while shedding a guy we didn't want anymore. I think the X factor will be the draft pick we gave you. That could tilt the trade. Plus we made KAT happy. Now he's out of excuses.

The thing about Wiggins is that he didn't actually kill the Wolves when he was on the floor. He just makes himself an easy target for a lot of the reasons you cite. The Wolves were actually better off when he was on the floor than on the bench. RAPM doesn't hate Wiggins the same way it hates Russell. Not that a one-game sample size means anything at all but last night against the Raptors was relatively representative of the Russell experience; he puts up relatively efficient numbers and passes the eye test as a player who's at least pretty good but somehow the team just gets burned while he's on the floor. It's sort of the opposite of Wiggins who largely doesn't pass that eye test but the results come out differently. I think the Wolves are going to regret this trade, not because Wiggins is amazing, but because Russell isn't amazing, either and they gave up a pick to make a swap that doesn't actually help them.

That's pretty much sums up my opinion as well.

[mplsfonz23]

Unless you league pass the wolves are barely on TV. For those who do have it, I'm sure you are not watching the Wolves. (Even Wolves fans barely watch them.)

So Wiggins in a nut shell, at least during his six years here.
If you push him too hard you shake his confidence, and he shuts down the rest of the game.
He appears to show no interest in playing D.
After his man scores, he hangs his head and appears to be embarrassed and stunts the offense, instead of going after him and making him pay.
He settles for the mid range and doesn't go to the rim hard anymore because he's afraid he'll get fouled, and he has no confidence at the line. AT ALL.
He needs constant ball-washing, not accountability. Holding him accountable shuts him down.
The difference between his D and Towns D is, Towns gives effort, he's just not good at it. Wiggins gives little effort, and he's not good at it.
One thing that always stood out to me is, he never breaks a sweat. If Kerr can get him to "run hard" then maybe.

Overall, we got a sorely needed PG while shedding a guy we didn't want anymore. I think the X factor will be the draft pick we gave you. That could tilt the trade. Plus we made KAT happy. Now he's out of excuses.

The thing about Wiggins is that he didn't actually kill the Wolves when he was on the floor. He just makes himself an easy target for a lot of the reasons you cite. The Wolves were actually better off when he was on the floor than on the bench. RAPM doesn't hate Wiggins the same way it hates Russell. Not that a one-game sample size means anything at all but last night against the Raptors was relatively representative of the Russell experience; he puts up relatively efficient numbers and passes the eye test as a player who's at least pretty good but somehow the team just gets burned while he's on the floor. It's sort of the opposite of Wiggins who largely doesn't pass that eye test but the results come out differently. I think the Wolves are going to regret this trade, not because Wiggins is amazing, but because Russell isn't amazing, either and they gave up a pick to make a swap that doesn't actually help them.

Yeah the pick tilted the trade IMO.

However, the stats may say one thing, but it doesn't show the effort level. Wiggins puts up numbers, but is not efficient doing so.
He basically does the same thing over and over. Gets the ball at the top of the key, finds the rim, pound the air out of the ball looking for an opening, starts to attach the rim, spin move, strip, then hangs his head trying to play catchup on D.

I hope GS fans are happy with the pick, because if Kerr can't unlock the Wiggins we all know he "could" be, you have a very expensive 4th option. And good luck trying to trade him.

[dhsilv2]

I'm just looking for Wiggins to follow a few simple rules.

With Steph and Klay out there on offense, I don't need him isoing and taking contested shots. Those are bad shots when you have Steph or Klay to take them otherwise. Open looks and an occasional end of shot clock need to iso is fine.

But the Warriors run a ball movement system. Hearing lots of talk about the point guard making Anrew accountable. Actually all he has to do is run the break, catch lobs, back door cuts, cuts and drive into the lane with kick outs or finishes, and then of course take the open shots. And or course move the ball. Everyone touches the ball on the Warriors, so there literally no need to feel the weight of the entire offense on his shoulders.

On defense he needs to merely buy into the defensive scheme. This will be the biggest issue. He must learn the rotations or Draymond will light him up. Draymond will help him these next 30 games to know where to be. But next season if Anrew isn't getting it, or being to lazy to rotate properly, then things may sour.

The good thing about the Warriors staff, is that you have Ron Adams, their defensive guru who will be working with him off the court. Also up and coming coach Jarron Collins will help him with next game defensive matchups and assignments. Then you have Kerr, who's a really good communicator, who will hold him accountable. Finally Draymond on the floor.

So don't force on offense, and follow the game plan on defense. Do that with effort and I'm cool.

lol, what are you smoking? You don't give Wiggins the rules, he gives YOU the rules. You sign a superstar to be the face of your franchise and then you gonna tell him what to do? Hell no. Here's what's going to happen. Wiggins is going to do whatever the hell he wants because that's what happens when you sign superstars in their primes. And the team is going to have to figure out how to build around him and install a system that plays to his strengths. The team does that and maybe Wiggins doesn't walk when his contract expires and gives you a couple of rings in return. How about that.

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SecondTake

Ah...ok joke account. OK, now I get it.

[dhsilv2]

Not trying to spark any hate towards Minnesota, but let's be honest.....5 coaches in 6 years. Very little team identity throughout. Thibs gave the team a toughness and grit. But Thibs is also the type of coach who doesn't give his teams freedom. Some players like that, some don't. The constant yelling had to wear on certain guys.

The Warriors have an identity and system. It will allow Wiggins to be a piece and not the weight of being the Franchise savior.

That's fine until you look at his contract. That's a lot of dough for a guy who's a 4th wheel. Can't pay that in Minnesota, but if the Warriors can afford it then have fun. You can get a guy like Wiggins for much cheaper.

Actually the salary slot at 30 million is very important if a big time player becomes available. You need to have that to be in the discussion for big name players.

So that salary, plus draft picks and young players is key.

What team would want to take on a guy who isn't a top 200 player at that salary level? And with at this point, if he doesn't blow up on the warriors, he'll be seen as a guy with not no upside, but negative upside.

[GopherIt!]

Unless you league pass the wolves are barely on TV. For those who do have it, I'm sure you are not watching the Wolves. (Even Wolves fans barely watch them.)

So Wiggins in a nut shell, at least during his six years here.
If you push him too hard you shake his confidence, and he shuts down the rest of the game.
He appears to show no interest in playing D.
After his man scores, he hangs his head and appears to be embarrassed and stunts the offense, instead of going after him and making him pay.
He settles for the mid range and doesn't go to the rim hard anymore because he's afraid he'll get fouled, and he has no confidence at the line. AT ALL.
He needs constant ball-washing, not accountability. Holding him accountable shuts him down.
The difference between his D and Towns D is, Towns gives effort, he's just not good at it. Wiggins gives little effort, and he's not good at it.
One thing that always stood out to me is, he never breaks a sweat. If Kerr can get him to "run hard" then maybe.

Overall, we got a sorely needed PG while shedding a guy we didn't want anymore. I think the X factor will be the draft pick we gave you. That could tilt the trade. Plus we made KAT happy. Now he's out of excuses.

The thing about Wiggins is that he didn't actually kill the Wolves when he was on the floor. He just makes himself an easy target for a lot of the reasons you cite. The Wolves were actually better off when he was on the floor than on the bench. RAPM doesn't hate Wiggins the same way it hates Russell. Not that a one-game sample size means anything at all but last night against the Raptors was relatively representative of the Russell experience; he puts up relatively efficient numbers and passes the eye test as a player who's at least pretty good but somehow the team just gets burned while he's on the floor. It's sort of the opposite of Wiggins who largely doesn't pass that eye test but the results come out differently. I think the Wolves are going to regret this trade, not because Wiggins is amazing, but because Russell isn't amazing, either and they gave up a pick to make a swap that doesn't actually help them.

please spare us these kinds of ridiculous hot takes.

Everybody, i mean EVERYBODY, on this forum has been reminding Wolves fans how terrible his advanced metrics are across the board for nearly six years. He doesnt pass any eye test - unless you count that one time he was at the Dmv renewing his drivers license. smdh

[zimpy27]

Unless you league pass the wolves are barely on TV. For those who do have it, I'm sure you are not watching the Wolves. (Even Wolves fans barely watch them.)

So Wiggins in a nut shell, at least during his six years here.
If you push him too hard you shake his confidence, and he shuts down the rest of the game.
He appears to show no interest in playing D.
After his man scores, he hangs his head and appears to be embarrassed and stunts the offense, instead of going after him and making him pay.
He settles for the mid range and doesn't go to the rim hard anymore because he's afraid he'll get fouled, and he has no confidence at the line. AT ALL.
He needs constant ball-washing, not accountability. Holding him accountable shuts him down.
The difference between his D and Towns D is, Towns gives effort, he's just not good at it. Wiggins gives little effort, and he's not good at it.
One thing that always stood out to me is, he never breaks a sweat. If Kerr can get him to "run hard" then maybe.

Overall, we got a sorely needed PG while shedding a guy we didn't want anymore. I think the X factor will be the draft pick we gave you. That could tilt the trade. Plus we made KAT happy. Now he's out of excuses.

The thing about Wiggins is that he didn't actually kill the Wolves when he was on the floor. He just makes himself an easy target for a lot of the reasons you cite. The Wolves were actually better off when he was on the floor than on the bench. RAPM doesn't hate Wiggins the same way it hates Russell. Not that a one-game sample size means anything at all but last night against the Raptors was relatively representative of the Russell experience; he puts up relatively efficient numbers and passes the eye test as a player who's at least pretty good but somehow the team just gets burned while he's on the floor. It's sort of the opposite of Wiggins who largely doesn't pass that eye test but the results come out differently. I think the Wolves are going to regret this trade, not because Wiggins is amazing, but because Russell isn't amazing, either and they gave up a pick to make a swap that doesn't actually help them.

Depends on what type of RAPM you look at, luck-adjusted RAPM hates Wiggins much more than DLo.

[BongBoyKlay]

Unless you league pass the wolves are barely on TV. For those who do have it, I'm sure you are not watching the Wolves. (Even Wolves fans barely watch them.)

So Wiggins in a nut shell, at least during his six years here.
If you push him too hard you shake his confidence, and he shuts down the rest of the game.
He appears to show no interest in playing D.
After his man scores, he hangs his head and appears to be embarrassed and stunts the offense, instead of going after him and making him pay.
He settles for the mid range and doesn't go to the rim hard anymore because he's afraid he'll get fouled, and he has no confidence at the line. AT ALL.
He needs constant ball-washing, not accountability. Holding him accountable shuts him down.
The difference between his D and Towns D is, Towns gives effort, he's just not good at it. Wiggins gives little effort, and he's not good at it.
One thing that always stood out to me is, he never breaks a sweat. If Kerr can get him to "run hard" then maybe.

Overall, we got a sorely needed PG while shedding a guy we didn't want anymore. I think the X factor will be the draft pick we gave you. That could tilt the trade. Plus we made KAT happy. Now he's out of excuses.

The thing about Wiggins is that he didn't actually kill the Wolves when he was on the floor. He just makes himself an easy target for a lot of the reasons you cite. The Wolves were actually better off when he was on the floor than on the bench. RAPM doesn't hate Wiggins the same way it hates Russell. Not that a one-game sample size means anything at all but last night against the Raptors was relatively representative of the Russell experience; he puts up relatively efficient numbers and passes the eye test as a player who's at least pretty good but somehow the team just gets burned while he's on the floor. It's sort of the opposite of Wiggins who largely doesn't pass that eye test but the results come out differently. I think the Wolves are going to regret this trade, not because Wiggins is amazing, but because Russell isn't amazing, either and they gave up a pick to make a swap that doesn't actually help them.

please spare us these kinds of ridiculous hot takes.

Everybody, i mean EVERYBODY, on this forum has been reminding Wolves fans how terrible his advanced metrics are across the board for nearly six years. He doesnt pass any eye test - unless you count that one time he was at the Dmv renewing his drivers license. smdh

How is that a hot take? Minnesota fans will soon find out how bad DLO's defense is, and he doesn't even have the athleticism to improve much even if he started trying on that end. Russell's defensive numbers are poor, and the eye test is even worse on that end. There are a lot of people that would agree that Russell isn't worth that contract as he really isn't an all-star caliber PG. He made the all star team as a replacement in the east. He isn't even a top 10 player at his own position, and you can make an argument that he doesn't even crack the top 15 depending on who you include in that category.

Just because Wiggins didn't pass the eye test or metrics test while playing for a terribly run franchise doesn't mean that he is any worse than DLO. On top of that, the Warriors got a likely lottery pick in the 2021 draft that is projected to be very good.

The real test for Wiggins will be how he plays next year. But, in the three games he's played so far for the Warriors he's making it look like they would have won the trade even if the pick wasn't included.

[HeartBreakKid]

The thing about Wiggins is that he didn't actually kill the Wolves when he was on the floor. He just makes himself an easy target for a lot of the reasons you cite. The Wolves were actually better off when he was on the floor than on the bench. RAPM doesn't hate Wiggins the same way it hates Russell. Not that a one-game sample size means anything at all but last night against the Raptors was relatively representative of the Russell experience; he puts up relatively efficient numbers and passes the eye test as a player who's at least pretty good but somehow the team just gets burned while he's on the floor. It's sort of the opposite of Wiggins who largely doesn't pass that eye test but the results come out differently. I think the Wolves are going to regret this trade, not because Wiggins is amazing, but because Russell isn't amazing, either and they gave up a pick to make a swap that doesn't actually help them.

please spare us these kinds of ridiculous hot takes.

Everybody, i mean EVERYBODY, on this forum has been reminding Wolves fans how terrible his advanced metrics are across the board for nearly six years. He doesnt pass any eye test - unless you count that one time he was at the Dmv renewing his drivers license. smdh

How is that a hot take? Minnesota fans will soon find out how bad DLO's defense is, and he doesn't even have the athleticism to improve much even if he started trying on that end. Russell's defensive numbers are poor, and the eye test is even worse on that end. There are a lot of people that would agree that Russell isn't worth that contract as he really isn't an all-star caliber PG. He made the all star team as a replacement in the east. He isn't even a top 10 player at his own position, and you can make an argument that he doesn't even crack the top 15 depending on who you include in that category.

Just because Wiggins didn't pass the eye test or metrics test while playing for a terribly run franchise doesn't mean that he is any worse than DLO. On top of that, the Warriors got a likely lottery pick in the 2021 draft that is projected to be very good.

The real test for Wiggins will be how he plays next year. But, in the three games he's played so far for the Warriors he's making it look like they would have won the trade even if the pick wasn't included.

Wiggins is easily worse than D'Angelo Russell. Also, did you just say it doesn't matter if he is bad according to the eye test and metrics - then by what else is there to go by?

Russell is a better scorer and significantly better playmaker, and he can actually shoot. Saying that Russell is a bad defender but because he's a bad athlete it is worse than Wiggins being a bad defender makes little sense. Wiggins has bad basketball IQ, that is not easy to fix - it's not just because he's lazy.

Wiggins had a season where he had Jimmy Butler and Karl Towns on his team and he was still bad, so making it seem like nothing counts because he was on the Timberwolves is weak.

Russell is younger and better than Wiggins, and has put up better numbers than Wiggins when he was playing winning basketball and also put up better numbers than when he was playing bad basketball (ie his lotto teams). Implying that the Warriors have won the trade on a 3 game sample size is ridiculous levels of hommerism. This time next year you'll be begging to get rid of Wiggins just like you did with Russell.

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But, in the three games he's played so far for the Warriors he's making it look like they would have won the trade even if the pick wasn't included.

This is from a Bay Area station after Monday's game.

Andrew Wiggins' up-and-down night
The knock on Wiggins entering his tenure in Golden State was his lack of motor in games. He showed that quality in the first half, making just one shot in 16 minutes and failing to make an impact as the Warriors went down big.

However, he showed life in the third quarter, scoring 14 of his 17 points in the frame to help the Dubs get back into the game. Still, he disappeared once again in the fourth quarter, taking just two shots as the Heat blew the game back open.

At the moment, Golden State's biggest challenge is keeping Wiggins consistently engaged. Time will tell if that goal actually will be met.

This is Wiggins in a nutshell. He was awesome for Minnesota when we started the season. Seemed engaged. Then Fortnite took over. That's his love.