DayofMourning wrote:AirP. wrote:DayofMourning wrote:
Yes. I'd rather see if the guys we draft and groom can be accented by a FA addition, rather than be traded for them.
Miami just did that for Butler and it completely changed this team, so why wouldn't you want to do that again for a much younger player?
Did you just edit out the part where I referenced the JRich trade? That's a weird thing to do then reply using JRich as an example.
Yes I did because it goes completely against what you said right before that, that you'd rather draft and groom players then trade for them... then you instantly said you traded someone you groomed for Butler.
DayofMourning wrote:Rich was maxed out. A lot of Heat fans recognized that. We traded him for a much better player who was available. That's what you do. With Winslow, he's had five years to prove his worth, and he kept meeting obstacles he couldn't overcome. Trade him for cap room, and two players who're better than he has shown to be.
Bam has blown up and is pretty much our offense and defense. He's incredibly important, and has so much more room for growth. He's also 3 years younger than Embiid, and has proven to be incredibly healthy. He's a 22 year old allstar for god's sake, who isn't at his ceiling. He's also a great personality, locker room guy, etc. He has been amazing. You don't give up on that yet.
Herro has a long way to go. What he does have is a gigantic pair of testicles in crunch time, and the type of personality that shows he's not backing down from anyone. What he's done so far is win games, sometimes ones we didn't have the business of winning. He has incredible untapped potential. Once again, he's needs a chance to grow.
I'd much rather see what those two are capable of than invest in Embiid. I get the love for Embiid. I've gone on record stating how he could possibly be the best player in the L if proper engaged/healthy. Rather see what Bam and Herro can do.
This is what I don't get, you add a player like Butler but say nah to an MVP level player just because you see "potential" vs what a player can actually do. Had Embiid not been sick last year in the 2nd round, Philly probably(at least possibly) has a championship right now. Why would you not want to trade for one of the few players who can completely dominate a game at age 25? If you have concerns with his health that's at least a viable reason, anything else is just hoping on potential. Potential stopped Minnesota from trading Wiggins and Dunn for Butler... Glen Taylor(owner) refused to allow Wiggins to be traded. Had the owner allowed Thibodeau to do what he was wanting to do Minnesota's whole future would have been different, they would have kept LaVine over Wiggins, drafted Markkanen since they wouldn't have had to swap draft picks and had a starting lineup Teague, LaVine, Butler, Markkanen, and Towns.
On Embiid, you saw him cry after losing last year to Toronto, he cares but he has a bad coach. Some of the last second plays I've seen from him are terrible, the offense they run with Simmons and Embiid as their starts is horrible and the kicker, he "asks" his players to do things, hey Jimmy score, hey Ben shoot 1 3 a game, that's a "players" coach and only self driven players or just highly talented players will have success with that type of coach. Get Embiid under Spoelstra, let Embiid get cussed out for not taking his man into the low post instead of... hey Embiid, you might want to think about leaving the 3pt line and scoring on some smaller guys under the basket.... or the big one... WHY IN THE )(#$)(#)%( DOES SIMMONS AND EMBIID END UP 5 FEET FROM EACH OTHER IN THE LOW POST, IF ONE OF YOU ARE THERE THE OTHER ONE NEEDS TO GET OUT. Oh my god I tuned in on a 76ers game and saw BOTH Embiid and Simmons in the low post and kept thinking, WHY IS THIS ALLOWED? I snipped this picture just after both were posted in the low post... at no time should this ever be the end of a play unless Simmons drove in and dumped it off to Embiid(which didn't happen, they BOTH were posting up down low). 4 of the Bucks were in the lane with the 5 just barely outside it(his shoe may be touching the lane). I just don't see how B.Brown still has a job in Philly, great guy, maybe a good player's coach but that team needs a coach to tell them to not do certain things... like have 2 bigs in the low post together.
5 defenders within 5 feet of Embiid under the basket. This kind of spacing happens all the time because of the offense and because of Simmons won't take the "suggestion" from his coach to shoot from the outside, not even once per game.
I'd be afraid of that team if they'd fire Brown and bring Thibodeau in, the offense/defense he'd put in would turn that team into a juggernaut(which people thought they should be now).
