Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[Wizardspride]

as clear a rebuke and referendum as it should be, i really don't think Barr or Trump gives a fig. they'll just promote sycophants to fill the spots and it'll be business as usual.

can't shame the shameless.

"There's not 1 person in the Democratic party who's morally superior to him, so what differencedoes it make? You dont have a better alternative."

---- daoneandonly

[Pointgod]

as clear a rebuke and referendum as it should be, i really don't think Barr or Trump gives a fig. they'll just promote sycophants to fill the spots and it'll be business as usual.

can't shame the shameless.

Well according to Susan Collins he learned his lesson

[montestewart]

We need an independent directorate of corruption and economic offenses like Lesotho does, with merit based appointees and international monitoring.

Watching a bunch of foaming at the mouth over ferner oversight is pretty appealing

[Wizardspride]

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[montestewart]

as clear a rebuke and referendum as it should be, i really don't think Barr or Trump gives a fig. they'll just promote sycophants to fill the spots and it'll be business as usual.

can't shame the shameless.

"There's not 1 person in the Democratic party who's morally superior to him, so what differencedoes it make? You dont have a better alternative."

---- daoneandonly

That’s just plain ol’ trock n troll.
Everyone knows that Trump’s a pedo
“Morally superior” so that’s the bar?
Just about everybody is by far.
Huey Newton, Charles Manson,
Taylor, Zac and Isaac Hanson
Liberace, Yanni, and GG Allen
Galloping Gourmet and squirtin Fallon
Captain Kangaroo, the Good Humor Man
The little girl’s butt with a Coppertone tan
Rosie Ruiz and Rosie O’Donnell
Mayor McCheese and Ronald McDonald
Pretty much anyone you can name
Trump’s shamelessness put them all to shame
Didn’t really know how low you could go
Til I saw his fat ass sag to the flo

[Wizardspride]

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[Kanyewest]

Good night for Sanders, Mayor Pete, and Amy. Sanders didn't win as big of a margin as expected but all things considered better to win than not.

Not so much for Warren and Biden. It was interesting that Kloubacher outperformed Warren in a neighboring state and vice versa.

Only Yang and Bennett dropped out.

[Zonkerbl]

as clear a rebuke and referendum as it should be, i really don't think Barr or Trump gives a fig. they'll just promote sycophants to fill the spots and it'll be business as usual.

can't shame the shameless.

"There's not 1 person in the Democratic party who's morally superior to him, so what differencedoes it make? You dont have a better alternative."

---- daoneandonly

That’s just plain ol’ trock n troll.
Everyone knows that Trump’s a pedo
“Morally superior” so that’s the bar?
Just about everybody is by far.
Huey Newton, Charles Manson,
Taylor, Zac and Isaac Hanson
Liberace, Yanni, and GG Allen
Galloping Gourmet and squirtin Fallon
Captain Kangaroo, the Good Humor Man
The little girl’s butt with a Coppertone tan
Rosie Ruiz and Rosie O’Donnell
Mayor McCheese and Ronald McDonald
Pretty much anyone you can name
Trump’s shamelessness put them all to shame
Didn’t really know how low you could go
Til I saw his fat ass sag to the flo

Hall of Fame post

[Zonkerbl]

Did Trump just throw away his presidency on an also ran?

[Pointgod]

Did Trump just throw away his presidency on an also ran?

Hahaha yeah right like Trump will ever face consequences for anything he does. Democracy died November 2016 and the Republicans took a piss on the corpse when they rigged the impeachment trial.

[Pointgod]

So New Hampshire good for Bernie, Pete and Klobachar. Amazing that Klobachar pretty much gained off of the strength of one debate. Very disappointing for Elizabeth Warren, but I don’t think it means anything with only 1% of the delegates allotted. Ditto for Joe Biden. Warren needs to change her strategy because getting destroyed in your neighboring state is not doing it. Seems like she should have pushed for a more uniter lane than hard further left.

[gtn130]

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Pretty wild how Trump supporters are 100% cool with this. Literal destruction of the DOJ to own the libs

[Zonkerbl]

Small sample size. The only thing we've learned is that people who claim Bernie's ceiling is 25% haven't been proven wrong yet, and that Biden is cratering.

We've also learned that voters are becoming more familiar with the candidates, which gives newcomes like Buttigieg and Klobuchar a bump, while familiar names like Biden and Warren suffer.

Still waiting for super Tuesday to reach any preliminary conclusions about how things are going. I also want to see the results of states where Bloomberg is on the ballot. Right now it looks like he is competing with Buttigieg and Klobuchar - will the moderate vote split? Important because there seem to be a lot of Dem leaning independents taking this election much more seriously than in 2016. If that vote solidifies we'll end up with whoever they solidify around - one of Bloomberg, Buttigieg or Klobuchar, or Biden if he manages to recover. If they split the vote among themselves for the rest of the primaries Bernie could win even if he can't crack 25%.

I doubt it though. My money's on moderates converging around one of Bloomberg/Buttigieg/Klobuchar. But we'll see.

[Pointgod]

Small sample size. The only thing we've learned is that people who claim Bernie's ceiling is 25% haven't been proven wrong yet, and that Biden is cratering.

We've also learned that voters are becoming more familiar with the candidates, which gives newcomes like Buttigieg and Klobuchar a bump, while familiar names like Biden and Warren suffer.

Still waiting for super Tuesday to reach any preliminary conclusions about how things are going. I also want to see the results of states where Bloomberg is on the ballot. Right now it looks like he is competing with Buttigieg and Klobuchar - will the moderate vote split? Important because there seem to be a lot of Dem leaning independents taking this election much more seriously than in 2016. If that vote solidifies we'll end up with whoever they solidify around - one of Bloomberg, Buttigieg or Klobuchar, or Biden if he manages to recover. If they split the vote among themselves for the rest of the primaries Bernie could win even if he can't crack 25%.

I doubt it though. My money's on moderates converging around one of Bloomberg/Buttigieg/Klobuchar. But we'll see.

The more the primaries turnout, the more I’m convinced that Bernie’s popularity in 2016 were more of an anti Clinton vote than pro Bernie vote. He has name recognition, 4 years to build a ground game and he hasn’t pulled had a decisive victory in the two states that are most favorable to in terms of demographics. Like I’ve been saying all along, the far left wing of the party maybe the loudest but they don’t overwhelmingly represent the Democratic Party.

It’s funny for all the talk of a crowded Democratic field, the ones that are the most hurt by this are Biden, Klobachar and Pete. These are also the candidates that should be most pissed about Bloomberg getting in the race. He’s just splitting the moderate vote.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I doubt it though. My money's on moderates converging around one of Bloomberg/Buttigieg/Klobuchar. But we'll see.

Moderates tend to be a high amount of African Americans. I have a really hard time believing they converge around Buttigieg. They seem to be somewhat intrigued by Bloomberg but I can't see that holding as his stop and frisk stuff starts hitting the headlines a little more strongly. Klobuchar's history as a prosecutor poses some challenges for her as well. None of these candidates are the kind that are going to drive African Americans to converge around them.

And that's really the biggest unanswered question about the primaries. How do African Americans vote. Right now, most of them outside of those in their 20s or younger (who don't vote in as large of numbers) still support Biden. They might jump ship if Biden loses steam but none of those options tend to be particularly appealing to them. Biden still could pick up steam as we see larger states with more diverse populations throw in their two cents. Or he could crater, but if he craters, where his supporters go will make a big difference. Some of them might decide to listen to their kids and go Bernie, or they might not. They could divide in various ways amongst those more moderate candidates. Some might filter to Warren, though as superficial as it may be, they're going to be understandably skeptical of her ability to understand minority issues having leveraged them for her own career by identifying as Native American.

He's already driven out some of the better options, to be honest. Booker and Harris are both gone. If there's one thing that this Democrat primary process has demonstrated so far it's that old white men who have been holding out hope of fulfilling their dream have been hanging on for too long, pushing out some of the better candidates and opening the door for others. It's tough to fault anyone for pursuing their dreams but at the same time, wisdom is supposed to come with age and the lack of either understanding or caring about the consequences of their actions is concerning.

This is entirely up in the air right now. A lot is going to change in the coming months and I have no idea how.

[Zonkerbl]

Wow Yang saying people who have abortions should be ashamed. wtf dude I thought you were my boy

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Less than a week later he's out of the race

Can't say "what a shame" because abortion is a red line for me. Can't support a candidate who doesn't get it. I guess it's a shame that he is the only candidate advocating for a UBI, because that really is the only thing we can do for ex-union folks that will actually work. Minimum wage is kind of a red herring - it only over gets raised to a mostly non-binding level (in English that means the market wage is always equal to or higher than whatever they set the minimum wage to, except for a small number of jobs)

[Fairview4Life]

Wow Yang saying people who have abortions should be ashamed. wtf dude I thought you were my boy

Read on Twitter

Less than a week later he's out of the race

Can't say "what a shame" because abortion is a red line for me. Can't support a candidate who doesn't get it. I guess it's a shame that he is the only candidate advocating for a UBI, because that really is the only thing we can do for ex-union folks that will actually work. Minimum wage is kind of a red herring - it only over gets raised to a mostly non-binding level (in English that means the market wage is always equal to or higher than whatever they set the minimum wage to, except for a small number of jobs)

Not a UBI, but almost every D candidate is onboard with a $250/month child bonus I think.

[Zonkerbl]

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Less than a week later he's out of the race

Can't say "what a shame" because abortion is a red line for me. Can't support a candidate who doesn't get it. I guess it's a shame that he is the only candidate advocating for a UBI, because that really is the only thing we can do for ex-union folks that will actually work. Minimum wage is kind of a red herring - it only over gets raised to a mostly non-binding level (in English that means the market wage is always equal to or higher than whatever they set the minimum wage to, except for a small number of jobs)

Not a UBI, but almost every D candidate is onboard with a $250/month child bonus I think.

Huh, that's intriguing. I'd have to think about that.

[Fairview4Life]

Huh, that's intriguing. I'd have to think about that.

Very effective way of cutting child poverty and also usually polls decently despite ridiculous concerns about people pumping out kids for cash.

Decent vox explainer: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/27/15388696/child-benefit-universal-cash-tax-credit-allowance

More recent article about Canada's boost to the payments:
https://www.vox.com/the-impact/2020/2/5/20997138/canada-child-benefit-program-poverty-the-impact

[doclinkin]

"There's not 1 person in the Democratic party who's morally superior to him, so what differencedoes it make? You dont have a better alternative."

---- daoneandonly

That’s just plain ol’ trock n troll.
Everyone knows that Trump’s a pedo
“Morally superior” so that’s the bar?
Just about everybody is by far.
Huey Newton, Charles Manson,
Taylor, Zac and Isaac Hanson
Liberace, Yanni, and GG Allen
Galloping Gourmet and squirtin Fallon
Captain Kangaroo, the Good Humor Man
The little girl’s butt with a Coppertone tan
Rosie Ruiz and Rosie O’Donnell
Mayor McCheese and Ronald McDonald
Pretty much anyone you can name
Trump’s shamelessness put them all to shame
Didn’t really know how low you could go
Til I saw his fat ass sag to the flo

Hall of Fame post

True. Dragging and dropping now.