Fiserv Forum Thread - Full (Almost) Capacity Now

[midranger]

My bet. We’ll be seeing a lot more “guys night out” promotions in the middle of next year where the team is giving away a ticket and beer for $20 during those random Tuesday night wizards games.

Kind of a dangerous gambit for them. If Giannis god forbid gets hurt or leaves, they will have decimated their STH numbers and will find it really tough to deal single game tix.

[Thunder Muscle]

I never realized how many people buy season tickets as a way to make money. I thought season tickets holders were super fans that spent their discretionary income on the bucks. I really can’t blame the bucks. If you guys only had one avenue to sell and you were making 20% on your tickets but the people you were selling them to were able to sell for 50% profit using the exact same tickets wouldn’t you be raising your asking price?


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For me making extra money has just been a perk the last few years and honestly felt I paid my dues struggling to sell tickets when I was a STH 2010-2017 years.

Mainly I got them b/c liked feeling apart of the team which in recent years hasn't felt quite the same as I haven't been able to attend the events they host, not much extra for giveaways, etc. Part of that is my life changing (i.e. less time) not Bucks fault. I also bought for playoff priority/face value tix and not having to worry about secondary market.

To answer your question, yes. But the % they raised it makes it too risky for me personally since I'm not close enough to just go to the game if I'm not able to sell for my cost. Even if they win I just cant see getting $40/ticket consistently for my seats (upper baseline, row 2) on week nights. Maybe I'm wrong.

I do wish I knew the benefits as it does look like they are giving a 1,000 bonus and I would be up to like 2,500 points.

[paulpressey25]

"We're gonna win the title this year........arena will be packed next season.......so make sure we don't underprice our season tickets here in February....Otherwise we're leaving a couple million on the table"

This is the price of having the best player and the best team in the league. Sucks they aren't handling the communications well however.

[Thunder Muscle]

"We're gonna win the title this year........arena will be packed next season.......so make sure we don't underprice our season tickets here in February....Otherwise we're leaving a couple million on the table"

This is the price of having the best player and the best team in the league. Sucks they aren't handling the communications well however.

Certainly understand that. I think the amount they went up (mine was 124%) was a little surprising but I didnt expect the normal $1-$3/ticket increase either. But maybe this is a 1 year cash grab while we still have Giannis for sure and they adjust/leave be accordingly.

With that said, I do think they are playing with fire a little bit. Of the pro teams the Bucks have the most fickle and regional fan base in the state. We're at a point now that anything under 50-55 wins is going to feel like underachieving, the building isnt a draw by itself, and even if Giannis stays with a new contract comes new expectations. As beloved as Ray Allen was/is, there was bitching about him too when things went south on the court. Point being, with the slightest slip by the team there is gonna be a MASS exodus of casual season holders and they're currently messing with their core fans it seems.

Hopefully the team keeps winning and there won't be issues. I'm starting to waffle a bit now and want to stay on, haha.

Curious if they lift the re-sale restriction they had in the place now.

[DMBucks22]

"We're gonna win the title this year........arena will be packed next season.......so make sure we don't underprice our season tickets here in February....Otherwise we're leaving a couple million on the table"

This is the price of having the best player and the best team in the league. Sucks they aren't handling the communications well however.

Certainly understand that. I think the amount they went up (mine was 124%) was a little surprising but I didnt expect the normal $1-$3/ticket increase either. But maybe this is a 1 year cash grab while we still have Giannis for sure and they adjust/leave be accordingly.

With that said, I do think they are playing with fire a little bit. Of the pro teams the Bucks have the most fickle and regional fan base in the state. We're at a point now that anything under 50-55 wins is going to feel like underachieving, the building isnt a draw by itself, and even if Giannis stays with a new contract comes new expectations. As beloved as Ray Allen was/is, there was bitching about him too when things went south on the court. Point being, with the slightest slip by the team there is gonna be a MASS exodus of casual season holders and they're currently messing with their core fans it seems.

Hopefully the team keeps winning and there won't be issues. I'm starting to waffle a bit now and want to stay on, haha.

Curious if they lift the re-sale restriction they had in the place now.

Yup, all this just sucks and it's disappointing they way everything has been handled. These are the Bucks years we have been waiting for and the front office is making it a lot harder to enjoy it. We are replaceable and just a number to them.

[bigredbadger]

I never realized how many people buy season tickets as a way to make money. I thought season tickets holders were super fans that spent their discretionary income on the bucks. I really can’t blame the bucks. If you guys only had one avenue to sell and you were making 20% on your tickets but the people you were selling them to were able to sell for 50% profit using the exact same tickets wouldn’t you be raising your asking price?


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Totally understand your point. But i would like to point out that the Bucks sales team was constantly touting season tickets as an investment. They are clearly going against that now. I will also add that selling individual game tickets is a bit of a process. I would gladly sell all of my season tickets for a 20% profit even though the person i am selling to could make 50%. I would be locked in at a guaranteed profit and not have to deal with constantly listing tickets and hoping to dodge players resting.

[Thunder Muscle]

Clearly they're budgeting to give us all championship rings after we win the title, haha!

[FrieAaron]

My upper level tickets went up by 42%. Can't do it. Hope we win it all this year. Next season I'll just be looking for cheap games against crappy teams.

[paulpressey25]

Yup, all this just sucks and it's disappointing they way everything has been handled. These are the Bucks years we have been waiting for and the front office is making it a lot harder to enjoy it. We are replaceable and just a number to them.

While I support the Bucks right to charge confiscatory prices while they can get them, I 100% agree with your statement above.

The Bucks ticket operation under historical employees such as Bea Westphal and John Steinmiller was top notch for customer service. I'd have disagreements with how the product on the court was assembled, but the day to day ticket ops people were always extremely courteous and helpful.

[DingleJerry]

Not a SSH due to living too far away. But, seems like they're planning on the increased cost of player going up pretty soon once they pay Giannis. Likely going into the tax for a few years here soon.

Generally agree with the sentiment that it sucks for long timers who've been waiting for this moment to get gouged. Perhaps they could've factored in something to give a break for seat holders for X amount of years, something of that nature. Or some kind of discount for how many years you've had them. Spitballing.

[old skool]

I'm upper baseline first row. Went up 30% to $3,000 per seat. Two full season tickets and a full 16 game playoff run is over $10,000.

I don't look at the STH purchase as anything more than buying all of the games for a set price, with first pick on those seats for the playoffs. It's not about perks or feeling like part of the team. It's just seats.

I live too far away to buy bargain seats at the last minute. I will stay on board for a while (have had seats since 1995), but will drop out as soon as the team performance falters.

I have not been impressed with the business operation. Last year it was a Keystone Cops organization. Brutally bad follow up on basic issues. Billing problems. Mobile ticketing problems. Member benefit problems. Misinformation. Fewer problems this year, but the attitude seems to be that unless you want to spend more money, they are not motivated to help. Some of that was likely new building issues, but the sales staff seems to be so inexperienced that they struggle to accomplish much. More concerned with "forming relationships" than being helpful.

[old skool]

The Bucks seem to be sending out "customer satisfaction" surveys a lot lately. I wonder if they are trying to measure satisfaction before and after the 2020-21 ticket invoices were sent.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I never realized how many people buy season tickets as a way to make money. I thought season tickets holders were super fans that spent their discretionary income on the bucks. I really can’t blame the bucks. If you guys only had one avenue to sell and you were making 20% on your tickets but the people you were selling them to were able to sell for 50% profit using the exact same tickets wouldn’t you be raising your asking price?
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I think the 50% return was either a 1x thing last year (GIANNIS!! and NEW STADIUM) or doing some fuzzy math. Yeah, you will make money selling all the good games but you are stuck paying face for all the week night Hawks games.

I don't look at them as an investment, but you have to look at what's the best fiscal approach. If you are prepaying 10k worth of bucks tickets and you get little benefits outside the tickets themselves, you better be getting a pretty big risk premium and quantity discount.

It's discretionary either way and the pricing is getting pretty damn close to market value, but we are taking all the risk. We are 7 months away from Giannis seeing the Supermax offer and deciding if he wants to sign. I'm not as optimistic Giannis will resign as some around here (I put it at 60/40), so why prepay that much unless they are giving a 30% spread on the tickets. If I'm paying market value, give me the flexibility of buying individual tickets where I can pick my spots to buy games I want to go to based on schedule and opponent.

[BradMKE]

My invoice finally showed up. $2,036 to $3,732. Easy decision.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I live too far away to buy bargain seats at the last minute. I will stay on board for a while (have had seats since 1995), but will drop out as soon as the team performance falters.

I have not been impressed with the business operation. Last year it was a Keystone Cops organization. Brutally bad follow up on basic issues. Billing problems. Mobile ticketing problems. Member benefit problems. Misinformation. Fewer problems this year, but the attitude seems to be that unless you want to spend more money, they are not motivated to help. Some of that was likely new building issues, but the sales staff seems to be so inexperienced that they struggle to accomplish much. More concerned with "forming relationships" than being helpful.

1. For being too far away, surprised you are that worried about it since no matter what prices will drop right before the game. You might still pay alot for a Saturday, but at least you are paying for the games you want versus feeling you have to drive in on a Tuesday due to a sunk cost.

2. What was the Keystone Cop situation?

[PhoenixMilwauke]

Mine went from $12634 to $13736 (An 8% increase).

Sounds like they really upped the price for the less expensive seats and I think the floor level prices also increased quite a bit. I understand why people are unhappy with the increase but the Bucks are a business and I suspect they have a better idea than we do on what prices the market can sustain. I'm sure they run all sorts of analytics on the secondary market prices.

My STH is a business decision as well in that if I think it would be cheaper for me to just buy in the secondary market, I would just do that. I think the regular season will be a bit of a wash at these prices but the playoffs still offer a lot of upside. You could always sell one of the Finals game against the lakers this year and have it pay for 40-50% of next years regular season

[BradMKE]

You could always sell one of the Finals game against the lakers this year and have it pay for 40-50% of next years regular season

Or you could sell one Finals game and use that $ to buy discounted individual games next year. You can bet if they make the Finals this season and the team sees the $ they left on the table, next seasons’ Finals tickets will have similar 2-3x increases as this years did.

[dblaron419]

First time poster here. Saw the chatter about STH prices and thought I would share that my tickets went up 60%. First row, 200 level. I will not be back next year, had season tickets since last year of the BC.

[Thunder Muscle]

Has anyone actually cancelled? Any pushback?

[buckboy]

Has anyone actually cancelled? Any pushback?

None that I'm aware of. And I would be aware of it if there was. They lost our group of 30 years STH and didn't bat an eye.