Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player

Post #801 » by **Alfred** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:02 am

2 Point Pat notches another!

Death Knight · Post #802 » by **Death Knight** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:02 am

McCaw would give Tylenol a headache trying to figure out why such a useless player gets so much playing time.

It truly is 4 on 5 out there.

dTox · Post #803 » by **dTox** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:03 am

Alfred wrote:Patrick McCaw is the undisputed king of 2 point games. About to rack up another thrilling 2 point performance tonight.

But don't you see man, he is the glue guy!

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Grew · Post #804 » by **Grew** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:03 am

Before everyone dumps on pat about this game. He outscored TD while playing less time and shooting a higher % while having a steal and a nice assist. Matt Thomas came in the game instantly gave up an and 1 at the rim, missed his shot then passed up a wide open one leading to a turnover. No one who could have got those minutes had it tonight... Coulda gave Matt another shift, but he hurt us the 2 minutes he was in there.

C_Money · Post #805 » by **C_Money** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:06 am

Grew wrote:Before everyone dumps on pat about this game. He outscored TD while playing less time and shooting a higher % while having a steal and a nice assist. Matt Thomas came in the game instantly gave up an and 1 at the rim, missed his shot then passed up a wide open one leading to a turnover. No one who could have got those minutes had it tonight... Coulda gave Matt another shift, but he hurt us the 2 minutes he was in there.

K and what about the previous 30 games when he played like a$$ and still got 25 minutes?

VancouverRaps · Post #806 » by **VancouverRaps** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:06 am

Alfred wrote:

2 Point Pat notches another!

lol damn

Grew · Post #807 » by **Grew** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:06 am

C_Money wrote:
Grew wrote:Before everyone dumps on pat about this game. He outscored TD while playing less time and shooting a higher % while having a steal and a nice assist. Matt Thomas came in the game instantly gave up an and 1 at the rim, missed his shot then passed up a wide open one leading to a turnover. No one who could have got those minutes had it tonight... Coulda gave Matt another shift, but he hurt us the 2 minutes he was in there.

K and what about the previous 30 games when he played like a$$ and still got 25 minutes?

He played his role fine in those games.

missionman · Post #808 » by **missionman** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:07 am

lol. I knew this thread was gonna explode. I've been ok with mccaw lately just because it seemed his minutes and (zero offensive) contribution were reasonable. But the 4 vs 5 thing is killer on a night when the team is struggling - even when he only gets 15 minutes. His defender sags off of him big time. He needs way too much space to get off a good shot - needs to be completely open. Really hurts as the nets can rotate easily to help.

Somehow he was second to Ibaka in plus minus with a 0 tonight!

Grew · Post #809 » by **Grew** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:07 am

missionman wrote:lol. I knew this thread was gonna explode. I've been ok with mccaw lately just because it seemed his minutes and (zero offensive) contribution were reasonable. But the 4 vs 5 thing is killer on a night when the team is struggling - even when he only gets 15 minutes. His defender sags off of him big time. He needs way too much space to get off a good shot - needs to be completely open. Really hurts as the nets can rotate easily to help.

Somehow he was second to Ibaka in plus minus with a 0 tonight!

defenders were sagging off RHJ and Boucher tonight, not nearly as much on pat.

JN · Post #810 » by JN » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:08 am

deeps6x wrote:
JN wrote:Posted in another thread, and thought it would be relevant to the mega McCaw thread.

This is in response to those that claim that when McCaw comes in we immediately get worse and start blowing leads. We see it in every game thread.

In the 15 game winning streak

Raptors are +14.8 / 48 minutes that McCaw is on the floor
Raptors are +8.8 / 48 minutes when McCaw is not on the floor
Positive impact of +6.0 / 48 during the streak.

If we keep it to the last 7 games with Masked McCaw

Raptors are +14.9 / 48 minutes that Masked McCaw is on the floor
Raptors are +5.6 / 48 minutes when Masked McCaw is not on the floor
Impact of +9.3 / 48 minutes

I know +/- is far from a perfect stat, but it certainly shows that the momentum has not shifted negatively when he has been on the floor recently. In fact our team has performed better with him on the floor ... significantly better during the streak. Before this streak the stats were certainly going in a negative manner, but not lately.

I am not a McCaw supporter by any means. I was open to Nurse giving him an extended chance to prove himself. Eventually I had enough and began to admit that Nurse was a great coach who was making a judgment error of some note. Now I am moving to "acceptance" and this isn't really hurting us and that Nurse may know what he is doing.

First, I'm shocked that this thread hasn't been locked yet.

As for this post,... so what you are saying is our backups are better than other team's backups. Well duh. McCaw still fails the eye test.

Very clearly at the top of my post I said, "This is in response to those that claim that when McCaw comes in we immediately get worse and start blowing leads. We see it in every game thread." Not saying he passes the eye test.

In this streak, our bench is basically 4 players, and RHJ and Bouch get their share of criticism, TD is the only bench member that we all love. I wouldn't call it an overwhelming bench unit right now with the injuries.

And as an aside, at the risk of being called a McCaw lover, only one bench player has had a rating near McCaw. RHJ which is slightly better at +16. TD and Boucher are well below them, and at the same +9.

I agree that McCaw does not pass the eye test and I want him off the floor. Its more wondering how we are able to maintain or expand leads with McCaw that amuses me as I really don't know how it happens,,, even beyond the bench factor.

But call me a McCaw lover all you want. And call me "Duh" all you want if it makes you happy.

C_Money · Post #811 » by **C_Money** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:08 am

Grew wrote:
C_Money wrote:
Grew wrote:Before everyone dumps on pat about this game. He outscored TD while playing less time and shooting a higher % while having a steal and a nice assist. Matt Thomas came in the game instantly gave up an and 1 at the rim, missed his shot then passed up a wide open one leading to a turnover. No one who could have got those minutes had it tonight... Coulda gave Matt another shift, but he hurt us the 2 minutes he was in there.

K and what about the previous 30 games when he played like a$$ and still got 25 minutes?

He played his role fine in those games.

His role of providing zero offence and average defence. K gotcha.

TrustFundBaby · Post #812 » by **TrustFundBaby** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:08 am

He was a net neutral tonight, not his fault they lost

BBallG · Post #813 » by **BBallG** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:09 am

Alfred wrote:

2 Point Pat notches another!

takes a special player to consistently put up 2 pts in over 20 MPG, but he manages to do it.

Honestly, he would have to be the greatest defensive player ever to have a positive impact, and he's far from that.

coca_scola · Post #814 » by **coca_scola** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:09 am

Hopefully part of Masai's trip with Trudeau is working out a deal to deport McCaw's bum ass. It's pathetic that 2 points and nothing else is our idea of a good McCaw game. Imagine if we had a third PG on this roster who could actually play the game instead of a scrub who doesn't even run at an NBA level.

Grew · Post #815 » by **Grew** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:10 am

C_Money wrote:
Grew wrote:
C_Money wrote:
K and what about the previous 30 games when he played like a$$ and still got 25 minutes?

He played his role fine in those games.

His role of providing zero offence and average defence. K gotcha.

Your definition of a good or bad game is "How many points did he score". Can't even try to go deeper with you on what other things might actually go into winning a basketball game.

_MidNight_ · Post #816 » by **_MidNight_** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:10 am

What's even more shocking is they're people on this board that actually sticks up for this bum.

C_Money · Post #817 » by **C_Money** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:12 am

_MidNight_ wrote:What's even more shocking is they're people on this board that actually sticks up for this bum.

People who stick up for Nick Nurse at all costs I’m guessing.

Tor_Raps · Post #818 » by **Tor_Raps** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:14 am

Grew wrote:Before everyone dumps on pat about this game. He outscored TD while playing less time and shooting a higher % while having a steal and a nice assist. Matt Thomas came in the game instantly gave up an and 1 at the rim, missed his shot then passed up a wide open one leading to a turnover. No one who could have got those minutes had it tonight... Coulda gave Matt another shift, but he hurt us the 2 minutes he was in there.

At least other players give you the potential of having a big night where they can blow a game open. So you can live with them struggling here and there because they've won you games in the past. McCaw clearly does NOT provide this potential. We already know at best, he will not suck so why waste all these minutes on him?

Thomas has only played a few games and already shown he can be a major contributor on some nights. That alone is worth much more than this frigging scrub.

Grew · Post #819 » by **Grew** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:14 am

_MidNight_ wrote:What's even more shocking is they're people on this board that actually sticks up for this bum.

What's shocking to me is the amount of people on this board who refuse to even attempt to understand the roll he's filling. And then go on to totally dump on him as if he were not even human. Pat is my least favourite player of our rotation, but I feel like I have to say something for him, because people are going to extremes when they speak about him and most of it is just ill willed nonsense.

TrustFundBaby · Post #820 » by **TrustFundBaby** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:16 am

Grew wrote:
_MidNight_ wrote:What's even more shocking is they're people on this board that actually sticks up for this bum.

What's shocking to me is the amount of people on this board who refuse to even attempt to understand the roll he's filling. And then go on to totally dump on him as if he were not even human. Pat is my least favourite player of our rotation, but I feel like I have to say something for him, because people are going to extremes when they speak about him and most of it is just ill willed nonsense.

Seriously, folks acting like he's consistenly playing like John Salmons vs OKC

He sucks, but for the most part he isn't winning or losing us these games

You don't lose because of your 8th man, there are always bigger factors