Summer Trades...never too early

[King Ken]

Isaac for Trae

Which Trae? We got Trae who works at the swag shop in the arena? We got Trae who works IT? We got Trae who works at Rita's? I don't know if those Trae's could be traded, they aren't a part of the actual NBA roster?

[basketballRob]

Any interest in a Collins for Issac swap

I think Magic and most around the league view Isaac as having a higher upside. Me personally, I'm attracted to defensive players and see a player like Collins as being an empty stat guy.

I wouldn't trade Isaac even if the Hawks included next years pick.

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[Last Guardian]

Weltham needs to get rid of the Hennigan guys and complete their vision of the team. Small additions like Clark and Ennis have made it clear the kind of players they like...tough, athletic and a pain in the ass to play against. True we'll eventually need an offensive star but in the meantime we should be putting together an elite defensive squad that no one wants to play against.

[Max Power]

I’m not trading Vuc for at least a year. Right now Bamba looks to be a very long term project. If I’m the Magic’s brass, I get on the phone with the guys who developed Dwight Howard, from year 1 he was averaging a double-double just by rebounding and getting a **** ton of put back layups. There’s no reason Bamba’s evolution can’t start there. Right now though, a team with Birch or Bamba starting would drown at the bottom of the league. A center doesn’t need to be a 20/10 guy, but he should at least command some respect from opposing defenses.

Clifford was one of the main guys who developed Howard...

Once Stan Van Gundy arrived. I’m talking before during Dwights first 3 years primarily. Patrick Ewing and one of Brian Hills staff got him on his star trajectory. Dwight was useful right away just by being good at simple things that Bamba could learn from.

[zaymon]

I’m not trading Vuc for at least a year. Right now Bamba looks to be a very long term project. If I’m the Magic’s brass, I get on the phone with the guys who developed Dwight Howard, from year 1 he was averaging a double-double just by rebounding and getting a **** ton of put back layups. There’s no reason Bamba’s evolution can’t start there. Right now though, a team with Birch or Bamba starting would drown at the bottom of the league. A center doesn’t need to be a 20/10 guy, but he should at least command some respect from opposing defenses.

Clifford was one of the main guys who developed Howard...

Once Stan Van Gundy arrived. I’m talking before during Dwights first 3 years primarily. Patrick Ewing and one of Brian Hills staff got him on his star trajectory. Dwight was useful right away just by being good at simple things that Bamba could learn from.

Dwight was a force on nature, and with good baskteball instincts. Bamba is like opposite of that.

[Ball4life32]

Any interest in a Collins for Issac swap

I think Magic and most around the league view Isaac as having a higher upside. Me personally, I'm attracted to defensive players and see a player like Collins as being an empty stat guy.

I wouldn't trade Isaac even if the Hawks included next years pick.

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Collins has elite efficiency...empty stats guys aren’t usually efficient. And Hawks are something like 8-39 in the last 2 years without Collins so Hawks are much better with him. Bet neither team does this.

[tiderulz]

Weltham needs to get rid of the Hennigan guys and complete their vision of the team. Small additions like Clark and Ennis have made it clear the kind of players they like...tough, athletic and a pain in the ass to play against. True we'll eventually need an offensive star but in the meantime we should be putting together an elite defensive squad that no one wants to play against.

but what is their vision of the team? Long guys who cant shoot?

[OrlMagic05]

Any interest in a Collins for Issac swap

LMAO yeah lets trade our one guy that has Superstar potential whos already an all defensive player for Collins.. No thanks.

[tiderulz]

Any interest in a Collins for Issac swap

I think Magic and most around the league view Isaac as having a higher upside. Me personally, I'm attracted to defensive players and see a player like Collins as being an empty stat guy.

I wouldn't trade Isaac even if the Hawks included next years pick.

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Collins has elite efficiency...empty stats guys aren’t usually efficient. And Hawks are something like 8-39 in the last 2 years without Collins so Hawks are much better with him. Bet neither team does this.

yeah, overvalue of Magic fans on Isaac. It happened with Gordon years ago and even now, 6th year, people still have to use "potential" with him

[tiderulz]

Any interest in a Collins for Issac swap

LMAO yeah lets trade our one guy that has Superstar potential whos already an all defensive player for Collins.. No thanks.

LMAO, that you think Isaac has Superstar potential. he will be a role player. a defensive star possibly, but a defensive role player. Say a more mobile Rudy Gobert with a little more range. I dont consider Gobert close to a superstar

[OrlMagic05]

I think Magic and most around the league view Isaac as having a higher upside. Me personally, I'm attracted to defensive players and see a player like Collins as being an empty stat guy.

I wouldn't trade Isaac even if the Hawks included next years pick.

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Collins has elite efficiency...empty stats guys aren’t usually efficient. And Hawks are something like 8-39 in the last 2 years without Collins so Hawks are much better with him. Bet neither team does this.

yeah, overvalue of Magic fans on Isaac. It happened with Gordon years ago and even now, 6th year, people still have to use "potential" with him

Don't know if you are being sarcastic or not. Issac's defense is no longer potential. He has already shown to be one of the best defenders in the league in only his 3rd year. Gordon NEVER showed anything remotely close to Issac's potential other than dunking.

[tiderulz]

Collins has elite efficiency...empty stats guys aren’t usually efficient. And Hawks are something like 8-39 in the last 2 years without Collins so Hawks are much better with him. Bet neither team does this.

yeah, overvalue of Magic fans on Isaac. It happened with Gordon years ago and even now, 6th year, people still have to use "potential" with him

Don't know if you are being sarcastic or not. Issac's defense is no longer potential. He has already shown to be one of the best defenders in the league in only his 3rd year. Gordon NEVER showed anything remotely close to Issac's potential other than dunking.

notice i used AG and potential in the same sentence, not Isaac, unless Isaac is in his 6th year. but what Isaac hasnt shown is the ability to stay healthy

[OrlMagic05]

Any interest in a Collins for Issac swap

LMAO yeah lets trade our one guy that has Superstar potential whos already an all defensive player for Collins.. No thanks.

LMAO, that you think Isaac has Superstar potential. he will be a role player. a defensive star possibly, but a defensive role player. Say a more mobile Rudy Gobert with a little more range. I dont consider Gobert close to a superstar

A role player? A more mobile Rudy Gobert with a little more range(Gobert has shot THREE 3's in his entire career)? Isaac is already a better offensive player than Gobert with the fact that clifford doesnt even run a play for Isaac and he has to create things on his own. Where as Gobert is setup by one of the best guards in the league in Mitchell. Numbers dont lie either, Isaac leads Gobert in Blocks & Steals. Quit hating on the guy. I never said he would be a Superstar, I said he had the potential if his offensive game catches up to his defense which is very much possible.

[tiderulz]

LMAO yeah lets trade our one guy that has Superstar potential whos already an all defensive player for Collins.. No thanks.

LMAO, that you think Isaac has Superstar potential. he will be a role player. a defensive star possibly, but a defensive role player. Say a more mobile Rudy Gobert with a little more range. I dont consider Gobert close to a superstar

A role player? A more mobile Rudy Gobert with a little more range(Gobert has shot THREE 3's in his entire career)? Isaac is already a better offensive player than Gobert with the fact that clifford doesnt even run a play for Isaac and he has to create things on his own. Where as Gobert is setup by one of the best guards in the league in Mitchell. Numbers dont lie either, Isaac leads Gobert in Blocks & Steals. Quit hating on the guy. I never said he would be a Superstar, I said he had the potential if his offensive game catches up to his defense which is very much possible.

Mitchell is a SG not a PG and not a big assist guy. Isaac is a bad outside shooter and Gobert more efficient and better post moves than Isaac. Gobert does what he is good at and does it well. I'm not hating on him, i just do not see superstar potential in him, and you apparently do. There are greats and hall of famers that were defensive role players. Ben Wallace, Bruce Bowen, Dikembe, Rodman, McHale and more.

[basketballRob]

LMAO, that you think Isaac has Superstar potential. he will be a role player. a defensive star possibly, but a defensive role player. Say a more mobile Rudy Gobert with a little more range. I dont consider Gobert close to a superstar

A role player? A more mobile Rudy Gobert with a little more range(Gobert has shot THREE 3's in his entire career)? Isaac is already a better offensive player than Gobert with the fact that clifford doesnt even run a play for Isaac and he has to create things on his own. Where as Gobert is setup by one of the best guards in the league in Mitchell. Numbers dont lie either, Isaac leads Gobert in Blocks & Steals. Quit hating on the guy. I never said he would be a Superstar, I said he had the potential if his offensive game catches up to his defense which is very much possible.

Mitchell is a SG not a PG and not a big assist guy. Isaac is a bad outside shooter and Gobert more efficient and better post moves than Isaac. Gobert does what he is good at and does it well. I'm not hating on him, i just do not see superstar potential in him, and you apparently do. There are greats and hall of famers that were defensive role players. Ben Wallace, Bruce Bowen, Dikembe, Rodman, McHale and more.

I agree players like Isaac and Vuc who is shooting the near the same percentage as Isaac from the outside are bad shooters.

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[basketballRob]

Any interest in a Collins for Issac swap

I think Magic and most around the league view Isaac as having a higher upside. Me personally, I'm attracted to defensive players and see a player like Collins as being an empty stat guy.

I wouldn't trade Isaac even if the Hawks included next years pick.

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Collins has elite efficiency...empty stats guys aren’t usually efficient. And Hawks are something like 8-39 in the last 2 years without Collins so Hawks are much better with him. Bet neither team does this.

Empty stats are from a player that can score but can't stop someone else from scoring. The reason i give Isaac the edge is because he can completely shut someone down. Collins knows about being shut down when Isaac guards him.

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[Tarheel]

I think Magic and most around the league view Isaac as having a higher upside. Me personally, I'm attracted to defensive players and see a player like Collins as being an empty stat guy.

I wouldn't trade Isaac even if the Hawks included next years pick.

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Collins has elite efficiency...empty stats guys aren’t usually efficient. And Hawks are something like 8-39 in the last 2 years without Collins so Hawks are much better with him. Bet neither team does this.

Empty stats are from a player that can score but can't stop someone else from scoring. The reason i give Isaac the edge is because he can completely shut someone down. Collins knows about being shut down when Isaac guards him.

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Also Isaac elevates an entire team defense by playing the passing lanes and being an excellent help defender. I haven't seen a player have such a versatile defensive impact since Kirilenko.

[Ball4life32]

I think Magic and most around the league view Isaac as having a higher upside. Me personally, I'm attracted to defensive players and see a player like Collins as being an empty stat guy.

I wouldn't trade Isaac even if the Hawks included next years pick.

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Collins has elite efficiency...empty stats guys aren’t usually efficient. And Hawks are something like 8-39 in the last 2 years without Collins so Hawks are much better with him. Bet neither team does this.

Empty stats are from a player that can score but can't stop someone else from scoring. The reason i give Isaac the edge is because he can completely shut someone down. Collins knows about being shut down when Isaac guards him.

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Collins isn’t bad defensively though. Not elite or close to Isaac level or anything but he’s solid on that end despite being surrounded by bad defenders or inconsistent rookies/young players. Yes Collins does struggle with Isaac more than anyone that I‘ve seen.

[tiderulz]

I think Magic and most around the league view Isaac as having a higher upside. Me personally, I'm attracted to defensive players and see a player like Collins as being an empty stat guy.

I wouldn't trade Isaac even if the Hawks included next years pick.

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Collins has elite efficiency...empty stats guys aren’t usually efficient. And Hawks are something like 8-39 in the last 2 years without Collins so Hawks are much better with him. Bet neither team does this.

Empty stats are from a player that can score but can't stop someone else from scoring. The reason i give Isaac the edge is because he can completely shut someone down. Collins knows about being shut down when Isaac guards him.

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so Curry is empty stat guy? People want Russell here, he is horrible on D. What defensive players does Collins have to work with in Atlanta? Young has everyone blow past him. Stats are always interesting when you look at bad teams. if a team only has 1 good defender and 4 horrible ones, that 1 good defender's stats wont look that great. Now im not calling Collins a great player on D, but here are the scouting reports on him

Defensively, is able to block shots due to his size and long arms … Excellent feel and timing as a help defender … Quick to recover and rotate on defense … Has improved every year at Wake Forest

Despite his shortcomings defensively, Collins did show flashes of potential at times, most notably with his tenacity on the defensive glass. He was able to pull down 9.1 defensive rebounds per 40 minutes and was willing to fight for loose balls in traffic and track down missed shots outside his area. He also blocked 2.4 shots per 40 minutes, a solid mark for a player with his measurables. He showed good timing to get off the ground quickly and recognition of verticality when he was in front of his opponent to alter shots at the rim. It's unlikely he will become a dominant rim protector due to his reach, and he was often swiping at the ball or chasing blocks, but he can definitely grow into a player who makes it difficult for opponents around the rim thanks to his athleticism and natural instincts.

He has good defensive upside and uses his length and leaping ability to alter a lot of shots in the lane. Can defend at the rim and shows good mobility/versatility to guard on the perimeter.

does he need to improve, yes. But many young players do. but he out produces what he gives up, ORTG 121 DRTG 111. as opposed to say someone like Gordon ORTG 104 DRTG 109 or Fournier ORTG 111 DRTG 111.

[Xatticus]

Any interest in a Collins for Issac swap

LMAO yeah lets trade our one guy that has Superstar potential whos already an all defensive player for Collins.. No thanks.

LMAO, that you think Isaac has Superstar potential. he will be a role player. a defensive star possibly, but a defensive role player. Say a more mobile Rudy Gobert with a little more range. I dont consider Gobert close to a superstar

I would ban the word 'superstar' on this forum if I could. It means nothing. The league isn't comprised of stars and role players. That's a hopelessly ignorant perspective. Distributions are functions. They are continuous. It's akin to describing the demographics of a population as young and old.

I want players that help us win games. I'm not going to argue as to whether or not Collins does this, but plenty of players that score 20 ppg make their teams worse and plenty that score fewer than 10 ppg make their teams better.