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Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player

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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#881 » by duppyy » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:36 pm

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RaptorsNorth wrote:The same people that defend McCaw will be the same people happy if he’s gone :lol: just like they were when Scrubenzo Brown finally got his walking papers.


Who genuinely is defending McCaw though? Who is actually a McCaw stan on this entire board? I want to know who these people are because I sadly can't find them.


If you read through this thread, they resurface when McCaw has a good game every 5 or 10 games.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#882 » by Alfred » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:05 pm

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Grew wrote:What's shocking to me is the amount of people on this board who refuse to even attempt to understand the roll he's filling. And then go on to totally dump on him as if he were not even human. Pat is my least favourite player of our rotation, but I feel like I have to say something for him, because people are going to extremes when they speak about him and most of it is just ill willed nonsense.


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Are you defining his role by posting his rpm? knowingly?

I’m trying to cut through the narrative that people are unjustified in their criticism.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#883 » by Alfred » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:12 pm

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Boogie! wrote:Is there any guard on the buyout market that we can sign to replace mCCAW.


Why can’t people understand he’s playing SF. Why? Why do you think everyone wanted Williams and some MKG.

Perhaps people think he isn’t a forward because he averages 2 rebounds in 25 minutes a game.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#884 » by StopitLeo » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:22 pm

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Jcity08 wrote:
RaptorsNorth wrote:The same people that defend McCaw will be the same people happy if he’s gone :lol: just like they were when Scrubenzo Brown finally got his walking papers.


Who genuinely is defending McCaw though? Who is actually a McCaw stan on this entire board? I want to know who these people are because I sadly can't find them.


If you read through this thread, they resurface when McCaw has a good game every 5 or 10 games.


Most of McCaw's contributions don't show up in the boxscore, especially single game boxscores. Over the winning streak he had an AST/TO ratio of 5:1, shot over 40% from 3, and was around a +6 overall.

Don't get me wrong, I get frustrated by McCaw too but he's obviously been bumped up in the rotation because of injuries. He has a higher basketball IQ than most people give him credit for - Nurse wouldn't be playing him if that wasn't the case, especially on defense. Moreover, the reality is that he has length and size that we lack in the backcourt; if we need him in the playoffs I'd prefer that he gets reps now.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#885 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:30 pm

McCaw desperately needs to find a 3 point shot. He's shooting more now but he needs to find it quick.

I would not be surprised if McCaw came back next year and was a 3 point shooting threat and will probably hover around 33-35% next year. Raptors training staff molding McCaw
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#886 » by Johnny Bball » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:37 pm

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Johnny Bball wrote:
Boogie! wrote:Is there any guard on the buyout market that we can sign to replace mCCAW.


Why can’t people understand he’s playing SF. Why? Why do you think everyone wanted Williams and some MKG.


Perhaps people think he isn’t a forward because he averages 2 rebounds in 25 minutes a game.


I mean... if you watch the games you have to see where he plays and who he comes in for. Or do we need another guard that doesn't play more minutes to further enrage people? Seems like a poor idea.

And the only criticisms that are think are unjustified are about his defense, or that he's not a NBA player, or can't play minutes on a contender (which is just funny), or that Nurse doesn't get it.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#887 » by Randle McMurphy » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:13 pm

NinjaBro wrote:You meatballs do realize we just had a 15 game win streak, the longest in Canadian sports HISTORY right? And we're here criticizing the 10th or 11th player in our roster pecking order. Take a deep breath, step back and let that sink in for a minute.

Except the problem is that he's being played like the 7th or 8th player on the roster and has been all season, which will eventually cost the team when the games matter.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#888 » by RaptorsNorth » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:22 pm

there’s always a small group of people that will always defend a scrub on this team. The likes of Brown, Carroll, Lin, Richardson,Bruno etc.. all had their supporters within this fan base.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#889 » by Boogie! » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:48 pm

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Johnny Bball wrote:
Boogie! wrote:Is there any guard on the buyout market that we can sign to replace mCCAW.


Why can’t people understand he’s playing SF. Why? Why do you think everyone wanted Williams and some MKG.

Perhaps people think he isn’t a forward because he averages 2 rebounds in 25 minutes a game.


The strangest part of that idea is that if you've actually been paying attention, the reason why norms and terrence Davis minutes have been shrunk with mccaw in the rotation is that mccaw clearly has been the backup point guard. It's the the only reason nurse plays him so much. If mccaw wasn't the pg, he would not be playing at all. No idea why someone would think he's playing forward at all...he's clearly the one handling the ball when fvv and Kyle aren't in the game... If we had signed Marvin Williams for example, mccaw would still be getting minutes because they do not have the same role in the rotation.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#890 » by missionman » Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:06 pm

The funny thing about McCaw is that if he played only averaged 5 minutes per game (and perhaps wasn't owed $4mm/year), he would probably be universally loved by Raptors fans. He seems like a nice guy, unselfish, seems to work hard.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#891 » by Randle McMurphy » Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:40 pm

missionman wrote:The funny thing about McCaw is that if he played only averaged 5 minutes per game (and perhaps wasn't owed $4mm/year), he would probably be universally loved by Raptors fans. He seems like a nice guy, unselfish, seems to work hard.

He'd definitely be one of my favourites if he played zero minutes.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#892 » by DelAbbot » Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:49 pm

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missionman wrote:The funny thing about McCaw is that if he played only averaged 5 minutes per game (and perhaps wasn't owed $4mm/year), he would probably be universally loved by Raptors fans. He seems like a nice guy, unselfish, seems to work hard.

He'd definitely be one of my favourites if he played zero minutes.


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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#893 » by missionman » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:18 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
missionman wrote:The funny thing about McCaw is that if he played only averaged 5 minutes per game (and perhaps wasn't owed $4mm/year), he would probably be universally loved by Raptors fans. He seems like a nice guy, unselfish, seems to work hard.

He'd definitely be one of my favourites if he played zero minutes.


Lol. So he still has a chance to make it into your good books.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#894 » by rrdjutriurt » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:19 pm

McCaw was just plain awful yesterday. In a game where we weren't able to generate decent offence and shot making he provided very little. Anyone else gets yanked when that happens but not Patrick and it only serves to further rub salt into the wound. Playing Matt Thomas three minutes in a game where we have little offence just doesn't make sense. He should have been left in in hopes of getting hot. Didn't really matter who brings the ball up the court at that point because McCaw only had one assist to boot.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#895 » by Knucknbuc » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:25 pm

patrick says kiss the rings bitch to all of you haters. hell end his career with more diamonds then thanos when its all said and done.

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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#896 » by rrdjutriurt » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:54 pm

Yes, so he wins rings while sitting on the bench. He should stay there.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#897 » by Raps in 4 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:00 pm

_MidNight_ wrote:McCaw averages 5/2/2 in 24 MINUTES, all while having the worst defensive rating on the team.

Let those numbers sink in for a minute. Something is fishy and I don't like it, if we as fans can see it
the coaches must be aware of his production as well. My only conclusion is he was promised 20+ minutes when he signed here.


Someone said it earlier, McCaw must have dirt on Nurse having an affair or something.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#898 » by Johnny Bball » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:12 pm

Boogie! wrote:
Alfred wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Why can’t people understand he’s playing SF. Why? Why do you think everyone wanted Williams and some MKG.

Perhaps people think he isn’t a forward because he averages 2 rebounds in 25 minutes a game.


The strangest part of that idea is that if you've actually been paying attention, the reason why norms and terrence Davis minutes have been shrunk with mccaw in the rotation is that mccaw clearly has been the backup point guard. It's the the only reason nurse plays him so much. If mccaw wasn't the pg, he would not be playing at all. No idea why someone would think he's playing forward at all...he's clearly the one handling the ball when fvv and Kyle aren't in the game... If we had signed Marvin Williams for example, mccaw would still be getting minutes because they do not have the same role in the rotation.


What?

Since Fred and Kyle have been back McCaw has been subbing most his minutes for OG at SF and then OG comes back in for PS about 4-5 minutes later, and PM stays at small forward. Since OG guards the best player, and since he subs for Siakam, OG is off first and that's why PM is in first. These are MOST of his minutes in that stretch. It's not rocket science. It's not because he's better than TD2 or Norm.

Yet that in about the last 16 games (about a month and a half) this has been happening... you are the one just not paying attention, but have the nerve to say other people aren't? Why even comment on his game if you can't see that.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#899 » by Basketball_Jones » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:07 am

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duppyy wrote:
Jcity08 wrote:
Who genuinely is defending McCaw though? Who is actually a McCaw stan on this entire board? I want to know who these people are because I sadly can't find them.


If you read through this thread, they resurface when McCaw has a good game every 5 or 10 games.


Most of McCaw's contributions don't show up in the boxscore, especially single game boxscores. Over the winning streak he had an AST/TO ratio of 5:1, shot over 40% from 3, and was around a +6 overall.

Don't get me wrong, I get frustrated by McCaw too but he's obviously been bumped up in the rotation because of injuries. He has a higher basketball IQ than most people give him credit for - Nurse wouldn't be playing him if that wasn't the case, especially on defense. Moreover, the reality is that he has length and size that we lack in the backcourt; if we need him in the playoffs I'd prefer that he gets reps now.


Easy to shoot 40 percent from 3 when you barely shoot. I appreciate his ability to float around and not screw up too much out there, but he shouldn’t really be a regular rotational player
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#900 » by Double Bubble » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:23 pm

Sticky this garbage thread I guess

He sucks, but absolutely not the first time we've seen a scrub get time over better available players. Why beat a dead horse at this point, we're still winning let's see what happens come playoffs

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